Free will

The premature of free thought has its price; this delusion of existent within social walls has my attention. Now getting into the topic-Free will is it real or is it something that just describes your limits. I know some will say “if I didn’t have free will then I wouldn’t this or that” but I ask you to look closer and look in to it before you shoot this down. I think we have free will but only a small dose, I feel we are directed in a direction that leads us to our death. Our internal was made for the external or is it the other way around? The brain already has every emotion you will ever fell, everything you will ever feel can be made by man and it is being made. I feel the soul is finally recognizing that it can control the vessel it is in, you know the ghost in the shell.
I sometimes see that i have no control over how i feel or how i think, One-i see a girl and like hunger i want to have sex Two-I think about a family and how it should be, small examples i know but none the less examples. beauty shows that a women can feed the child or the hips show the likely of a easy birth so it shows the gens of the person so of course you want your kids to have the best start, having a family is passing your DNA on but even though this is normal to think of, these arn't my own thoughts they come from deep telling me what to do next. I try to ignore them but they are hard, I chose not to follow but i can't chose how i feel.

Originally posted by conlget
The premature of free thought has its price; this delusion of existent within social walls has my attention. Now getting into the topic-Free will is it real or is it something that just describes your limits. I know some will say “if I didn’t have free will then I wouldn’t this or that” but I ask you to look closer and look in to it before you shoot this down. I think we have free will but only a small dose, I feel we are directed in a direction that leads us to our death. Our internal was made for the external or is it the other way around? The brain already has every emotion you will ever fell, everything you will ever feel can be made by man and it is being made. I feel the soul is finally recognizing that it can control the vessel it is in, you know the ghost in the shell.
I sometimes see that i have no control over how i feel or how i think, One-i see a girl and like hunger i want to have sex Two-I think about a family and how it should be, small examples i know but none the less examples. beauty shows that a women can feed the child or the hips show the likely of a easy birth so it shows the gens of the person so of course you want your kids to have the best start, having a family is passing your DNA on but even though this is normal to think of, these arn't my own thoughts they come from deep telling me what to do next. I try to ignore them but they are hard, I chose not to follow but i can't chose how i feel.

The way you feel is partly a product of the 'physical' construct you find yourself in...they can be 'coralled', perhaps not controlled. Older cosmologies tell us what the sublimation of 'lower' emotions will do, and how to do it...all this takes place within this box of atomic slime, that you chose to inhabit.

FREE WILL is your chance to alter the construct positively or negatively for all, on a small scale or on a large scale...the ramifications may be instant or they may take a while to 'real-ise' (by which time you may have forgotten your initial 'act' of FREE WILL, and would then claim you have no control over what happens...a perfect circular argument, built into the mechanism - not meant to confound, so much, as to...drive the meaning home, and make it certain.

Akushla

Originally posted by conlget
I sometimes see that i have no control over how i feel or how i think, One-i see a girl and like hunger i want to have sex Two-I think about a family and how it should be.

Whoa, you went from thinking about having sex with a girl to thinking about how a family should be??

I would get an appointment with a psychologist if I were you - you might be schizophrenic

Originally posted by conlget
The premature of free thought has its price; this delusion of existent within social walls has my attention. Now getting into the topic-Free will is it real or is it something that just describes your limits. I know some will say “if I didn’t have free will then I wouldn’t this or that” but I ask you to look closer and look in to it before you shoot this down. I think we have free will but only a small dose, I feel we are directed in a direction that leads us to our death. Our internal was made for the external or is it the other way around? The brain already has every emotion you will ever fell, everything you will ever feel can be made by man and it is being made. I feel the soul is finally recognizing that it can control the vessel it is in, you know the ghost in the shell.
I sometimes see that i have no control over how i feel or how i think, One-i see a girl and like hunger i want to have sex Two-I think about a family and how it should be, small examples i know but none the less examples. beauty shows that a women can feed the child or the hips show the likely of a easy birth so it shows the gens of the person so of course you want your kids to have the best start, having a family is passing your DNA on but even though this is normal to think of, these arn't my own thoughts they come from deep telling me what to do next. I try to ignore them but they are hard, I chose not to follow but i can't chose how i feel.

I must say this phrase that might lead you somewhere in your reasoning: The only limits you have are to ones you put on yourself, these limits of course being done consciously (with free-will) or unconsciously (instincts).

Mastering the instincts is hard but not impossible. The subconscious is the bridge between the conscious and the unconscious. Reading about it would make you surprised.






Thruthseek3r

I think people believe in the (imo) false concept of free will for two reasons:

1) The Bible teaches it
2) People like to feel powerful and in control of their actions
3) It gives people a better justification to judge people for their shortcomings

Originally posted by lampsalot
I think people believe in the (imo) false concept of free will for two reasons:

1) The Bible teaches it
2) People like to feel powerful and in control of their actions
3) It gives people a better justification to judge people for their shortcomings

edit on 10-2-2012 by lampsalot because: (no reason given)

1) the 'bible' isn't the only tract which teaches FREE WILL...
2) people IS powerful and in control of thier actions...
3) the reality is the EXACT opposite of what you have written...

Akushla

We have free will as individuals.

But we have rights and limits in society.

Take away the government and everyone is free to do as they please.

Take away the government and protection serves no one.

Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by lampsalot
I think people believe in the (imo) false concept of free will for two reasons:

1) The Bible teaches it
2) People like to feel powerful and in control of their actions
3) It gives people a better justification to judge people for their shortcomings

edit on 10-2-2012 by lampsalot because: (no reason given)

1) the 'bible' isn't the only tract which teaches FREE WILL...
2) people ARE powerful and in control of thier actions...
3) the reality is the EXACT opposite of what you have written...

Akushla

Here is why I'm skeptical of 'free will'. People are influenced by nature and nurture and that seems to explain all human behavior adequately. Why introduce a tertiary 'x factor'?

Originally posted by lampsalot

Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by lampsalot
I think people believe in the (imo) false concept of free will for two reasons:

1) The Bible teaches it
2) People like to feel powerful and in control of their actions
3) It gives people a better justification to judge people for their shortcomings

edit on 10-2-2012 by lampsalot because: (no reason given)

1) the 'bible' isn't the only tract which teaches FREE WILL...
2) people ARE powerful and in control of thier actions...
3) the reality is the EXACT opposite of what you have written...

Akushla

Here is why I'm skeptical of 'free will'. People are influenced by nature and nurture and that seems to explain all human behavior adequately. Why introduce a tertiary 'x factor'?

You can be as suspicious as you like...
The 'tertiary x factor' exists!

Nature & nurture does not adequately explain FREE WILL, at all...

Akushla

Originally posted by lampsalot

Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by lampsalot
I think people believe in the (imo) false concept of free will for two reasons:

1) The Bible teaches it
2) People like to feel powerful and in control of their actions
3) It gives people a better justification to judge people for their shortcomings

edit on 10-2-2012 by lampsalot because: (no reason given)

1) the 'bible' isn't the only tract which teaches FREE WILL...
2) people ARE powerful and in control of thier actions...
3) the reality is the EXACT opposite of what you have written...

Akushla

Here is why I'm skeptical of 'free will'. People are influenced by nature and nurture and that seems to explain all human behavior adequately. Why introduce a tertiary 'x factor'?

You have the FREE WILL to accept or reject..i.e. be'skeptical'...
You have the FREE WILL to think that nature & nurture explains everything...
You have the FREE WILL to question a 'tertiary x factor'...

Akushla

reply to post by lampsalot

Why introduce a tertiary 'x factor'?

It isn't "introduced", it exists. At some point along the muddy road of life, one comes to realize we are all the same. The only thing that separates me from Jack the Ripper are the choices I make. The only thing that separates me from Einstein are the choices I make. Both options are inside me. You can argue nurture with me, but no matter how or under what circumstances I have been raised, it is how I choose to perceive my upbringing and what I choose to do about it that makes the difference. imho

Originally posted by Iamschist
reply to post by lampsalot

 

Why introduce a tertiary 'x factor'?

It isn't "introduced", it exists. At some point along the muddy road of life, one comes to realize we are all the same. The only thing that separates me from Jack the Ripper are the choices I make. The only thing that separates me from Einstein are the choices I make. Both options are inside me. You can argue nurture with me, but no matter how or under what circumstances I have been raised, it is how I choose to perceive my upbringing and what I choose to do about it that makes the difference. imho

I would argue that you could not be Jack the Ripper, because (I would guess) your conscience prevents that, and you also can't choose to be a genius.

Freewill is just that "freewill" 'do you see god striking us down when we do as we please? On the otherhand give unto god what is gods and give unto Ceasar what is Ceasars, hence we have free will but do as is under law or you will have consequences...... period.

Originally posted by Playto76
Freewill is just that "freewill" 'do you see god striking us down when we do as we please? On the otherhand give unto god what is gods and give unto Ceasar what is Ceasars, hence we have free will but do as is under law or you will have consequences...... period.

edit on 10-2-2012 by Playto76 because: (no reason given)

That is why I think that free will is a myth meant to uphold a 'law and order' society where people are seen as islands/demigods in complete control of their own actions, rather than people whose actions directly reflect the personalities their genetics and experience have given them.

Originally posted by akushla99


You have the FREE WILL to accept or reject..i.e. be'skeptical'...
You have the FREE WILL to think that nature & nurture explains everything...
You have the FREE WILL to question a 'tertiary x factor'...

Akushla

People can't choose their beliefs. If that was true, the phrase 'i want to believe' would make no sense.

Originally posted by lampsalot

Originally posted by akushla99


You have the FREE WILL to accept or reject..i.e. be'skeptical'...
You have the FREE WILL to think that nature & nurture explains everything...
You have the FREE WILL to question a 'tertiary x factor'...

Akushla

People can't choose their beliefs. If that was true, the phrase 'i want to believe' would make no sense.

Oh really?...

The semantics of this will not prove your position...

Akushla

Originally posted by lampsalot

Originally posted by akushla99


You have the FREE WILL to accept or reject..i.e. be'skeptical'...
You have the FREE WILL to think that nature & nurture explains everything...
You have the FREE WILL to question a 'tertiary x factor'...

Akushla

People can't choose their beliefs. If that was true, the phrase 'i want to believe' would make no sense.

Did you choose this belief, that people can't choose thier beliefs?

Akushla

Originally posted by akushla99


Oh really?...

The semantics of this will not prove your position...

Akushla

Nor will begging the question prove yours.

Originally posted by akushla99


Did you choose this belief, that people can't choose thier beliefs?

Akushla

It's not a belief, it's a fact. I do think often times people believe in what appeals to them, but that doesn't mean they actually choose those beliefs.

reply to post by lampsalot

I would argue that you could not be Jack the Ripper, because (I would guess) your conscience prevents that, and you also can't choose to be a genius.

Doesn't a conscience provide us with choices over impulse? Doesn't the introduction of choices raise the ugly specter of free will? I also believe you can by choice, become labeled a genius.