Here's an update on the "strange metal boxes washed up on Oregon beach"

reply to post by pryingopen3rdeye


".sigh.. you misunderstood alot.


"he already stated that 'friend #5' is far from a reliable source so there isnt any need to rehash that fact unless you just didnt pay attention (sounds like you didnt)"

I did pay attention, If the radio host has said this source is not reliable, then why is he basing much of his show around the sources claims of military involvement? I don't think that's rehashing, just an important point.

"yes people were wrighting to him, he did not say that is his ONLY source, in fact during his show he played audio recordings of at least 7 people that he interviewed when he drove down to the beach who all ON RECORDING said yes they saw the boxes, "

I said I had not listened to the whole show yet and that I would reserve judgement on these witnesses to the boxes….I do think that if you are a researcher worth your salt you need to document the full details of any witnesses, get them on film/camera, signed statements etc. I know they are not celebrities but we need confirmation they are real people. I feel the radio host has not made clear whether his information about the military involvement came from emails only,


"no he did not say he took any photos himself the photo's he analyzed were the ones mister masko took, i do believe he said that those are in fact the photo's he used"

Sorry prying3rdeyeopen but I meant 'took' as in the scientist picked up the photo, not that he the scientist actually 'took' the photograph in question with his own camera. I still think this is an important point though, if he was given a photograph of a box, who gave it him and if it was military…why not just give the actual box to be analysed? If it was Masko that gave him the photos then are you seriously saying he could deduce anything from those tiny low quality images?

"…… and never did i hear him say the words "3d eyeball"

He did use those words when explaining what he did in 'layman's terms', he said he took a '3D eyeball' to look at a 2D photograph.

"and who ever said he got his photo from the military? you randomly pulled out that one."

I didn't 'randomly pull' anything I am trying to ask questions to clarify the circumstances around things.


"the 'maple syrup' was an example not a riddle"

I understand that the maple syrup thing is a metaphor. What I am getting at is that to me the 'Scientist's' choice of language actually sounds quite bizarre and garbled, ending up sounding like riddles, he doesn't seem to make a lot of clear points…..that is all my interpretation and opinion but he doesn't sound like someone who is an expert on anything….of course I could be entirely wrong.


"the man did say that spectography was only a part of his method and alot of what he did to figure that info out revolves around quantum science,
btw, on the air the 'scientist' did give out his email address so if you have questions for him or his field then email him :p i did,"

Well I might just email him and I hope you'll share any response you get from him. If is he is someone that doesn't want to be identified though, why is he giving out his email address live on air? Is it an email account set up under his other identity 'Dr Bell'? Questions questions……

I'm going to listen to those witnesses on the rest of the show now and see if they all sound like the same person putting on silly voices..... (That's a joke by the way )

guys if i may just ask some pinpoint questions,

Who picked up the box's?

Did any public member actually get up close and personal with these boxes? And if so was there any close up pictures or drawings? Maybe a rubbing?

If im right in thinking this has happen'd before? what, if anything was reported and released? And did they match exactly?

Does anybody have or know a way of collecting data from thermals in the water at the time to suggest maybe a carrying current?

And or is it possible they rose from the bottom or from some sort of decay that allowed them to rise/be freed ? If so is there any proof of achient or any type of settlement around that area with relative or strange beliefs?

Originally posted by intuitive
guys if i may just ask some pinpoint questions,

Who picked up the box's?

Did any public member actually get up close and personal with these boxes? And if so was there any close up pictures or drawings? Maybe a rubbing?

If im right in thinking this has happen'd before? what, if anything was reported and released? And did they match exactly?

Hi intuituve,

the only photos of the boxes are the ones provided by Dave Masco from whom the whole story originated.

Any mention of other boxes being washed up before anywhere in History also comes from Dave Masko.

reply to post by pryingopen3rdeye


Ok I've finally listened to the entire radio show. I'm afraid I missed 'Dr Bells' email address, was it somewhere at the start of the show? In your earlier post you said

"in fact during his show he played audio recordings of at least 7 people that he interviewed when he drove down to the beach who all ON RECORDING said yes they saw the boxes,"

Are you referring to the montages Clyde Lewis plays that have small quotes from people, interspersed with music and effects over the voices, or did I miss something? When I listened I could make out clips of people talking about what has already been said about the boxes, not clear statements about seeing the boxes. As we have never met Clyde Lewis we are just taking his word on what people have told him. Again, if he interviewed people about the boxes, why not play those interviews clearly and fully?.

If we look at the callers that were on the show NONE of them saw any boxes on the beach. One caller had seen what he thought were military helicopters and lights at various times in his life in Oregon and two callers saw what they thought were boxes on military trucks.

Lewis does not think to ask his callers how the boxes were secured on the truck or If it was supposed to be a secret Military operation, why were the boxes uncovered for all to see on the highway? We have the possibility of those callers making things up or seeing something totally unrelated.

Clyde Lewis says he thinks Dave Masko is a disinfo agent as why would anyone who wrote for the Washington post and worked with Walter Kronkite make a story about boxes up? Dave Masko's credentials come from......Dave Masko, I can claim I worked with Walter Kronkite too, doesn't make it true One of his callers tells Lewis that boxes were reported in Sri Lanka and Lewis says he never heard of that. For Gawds sake it's from Masko's article, which Lewis says he read and dismissed as exaggeration! Lewis's level of investigation is not exactly deep!

Lewis says that sceptics are just being curious, I agree, he then slates people who just sit at home eating junk food without investigating. Unfortunately I'm in England so getting to Oregon would be quite a hassel for me. Especially when the Oregon Resident John Henry who has been a guest on the show says he has been out everyday looking for the boxes and has never seen any! I too have an open mind but nothing yet has convinced me there were ever any boxes.

All in all I treat things like this as a police detective would treat any story that they have been told is true. You build evidence from facts that you can verify. Everything needs to be verified. Unfortunately the only evidence we have are still Dave Masko's crummy photos, which have never been verified. No full names of witnesses, full interviews and clear footage of events etc. We are presented with nothing like this for the whole 'boxes' story.

Clyde Lewis saying he spoke to locals who saw the boxes is not the same as presenting us with interviews or signed statements from these locals. Sorry but it isn't. I am not saying he's a liar, just that what he has presented is not clear and in my opinion highly speculative. If he has clear statements from locals who saw the boxes I'd love to see/hear them. I think for me, that unless anyone in Oregon produces any clear evidence of these boxes, it remains a tall tale that originated entirely from the mind of Dave Masko.

Update per zetatalk website:

These sealed metal boxes are indeed alien, placed along significant coastlines to abort sudden and jolting plate movements. The number of boxes discovered by mankind, uncloaked and visible, are a miniscule number compared to the total in use, which range in the thousands. Most are under water. They are supposed to be cloaked, so that humans can look right at them and not SEE them, but mistakes are made in the rush to place the boxes, on occasion, so some are left visible. Have governments removed them and tried to crack them open? Yes, but the boxes disappear from storage, without a trace. Why is the impact of plate movements being restrained, at present, when the Council of Worlds has ruled that the Pole Shift is a natural event not to be averted? It has scarcely passed notice that our original statements about the 7 of 10 scenarios, whereby we anticipated a rapid start at the end of 2010, did not unfold. The 7 of 10 pace has been slow, not rapid. The Council of Worlds wants the public to be aware of what is happening, what is pending, so that spiritual decisions can be made, the population having opportunity to evaluate the situation properly. The cover-up has prevented that school house lesson from occurring. Thus, temporarily, the pace of change here on Earth will be slowed, but not averted. Nor is the ultimate result or timeframe being changed. The battleground is on the cover-up, as the recent decision to allow more visibility of the Planet X complex has shown. For those who wonder how the boxes work, why the hum or aurora type glow they occasionally emit, we have no comment. You would not understand the mechanics, nor be able to replicate the boxes, and in any case if the secrets were understood those in the Service-to-Self in your establishment would use this information to control and harm the common man. The boxes will remain a mystery, in this regard.

Hmm, I really wish someone could take a closer pic of these boxes, see if there are any seams, any kind of Human involvement with the design and construction. You would think that if the Gov knew about these then they would just say that they are bouys and be done. We need more info on these, someone take some good video. no one can speculate what they are until, we have more info. one pic just isnt enough

reply to post by DrHammondStoat


hi DR

Thank you for your reply, i find these boxes really intresting, even though i know nothing of them lol.

i cant think of them being of alien being type, Only human made, To me it's probably a fuel rod or some sort of gang related disposing maybe.

read this..thought i would throw it out there......

rense.com...

couple of quotes to entice one to read

My next lead was to contact the public Marine Specialist and a PhD named Bill Hanshumaker from the Hatfield Marine Science Center in Newport OR. A very kind and helpful man, Bill told me that he had sent a team to investigate this story. The team returned empty handed. They were never even able to speak to anyone who had seen these now mythical boxes

and

As a last ditch effort we drove our Jeep the entire length of the Oregon Dunes National Recreation Area and saw nothing but the unparalleled beauty the coast offers

hmmm...funny how big things can get threw the internet

www.newportnewstimes.com...

Newport news in OR does have the story although i would have to buy to see it well. we will check the beaches here in bookings Or tomorrow.

here it shows Marine scientists in Newport beach or found no such boxes.

www.earthfiles.com...

The picture looks identical to parts of the boat harbor pier that washed up across the road on the beach after the tsunami we had here in Crescent City.
Have to take my word i saw a lot of these on the beach and they were around 5ft by 5 or 4 ft

reply to post by DrHammondStoat

The beach looks just like our Crescent City beach after the Tsunami...I can't find my photos but the beach had these floats from the boat basin strewn along the beach across the road...looks just like the picture shown. Notice no one is like staring at the "boxes"


Another picture of the beaches here with parts
my.opera.com...

Originally posted by dashdespatch
reply to post by pryingopen3rdeye

 

so has the scientist on the radio programme actually examined one of the boxes?....worse than anthrax? thats pretty bad what has he done with the box now?

LOL! We are not idiots on here I hope! Someone able to use only a photo to SEE inside a box and read that it had toxin that is no longer toxic! the guy is a total insane nut case! Every word he says is insane!

The whole story is a hoax and Clyde Davis is participating because he thinks it will get him ratings for his radio show.
People like this do a great dis-service to the paranormal/crypto/UFO community.
Too often do people get labelled disinformants for being skeptic.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to believe in something.
There IS something wrong with continuing to believe despite all evidence to the contrary.

I do believe in some Fortean topics. These boxes though, are a hoax.

Originally posted by jimbo999
People wanted another pic of one of these 'metal boxes' - here is another apparently.

Real or not, I don't know, but intriguing just the same. There is also updated info and quotes from various Government officials about the boxes.

What do people think?

As weird as this may seem..there is now an update to this strange story. As of late afternoon Feb. 8, Bill Hanshumaker, a public marine specialist and (Ph.D) doctor of marine science at the Hatfield Marine Science Center in nearby Newport, told Huliq in an interview that, “I don’t know what they are.” In turn, Doctor Hanshumaker said he’s advised “surf monitoring” about these strange metal boxes that suddenly appeared along local beaches Feb. 6, and now seem to be multiplying like Star Trek “Tribbles.” The photograph that accompanies this report – taken during the afternoon of Feb. 8 near Bray’s Point -- of yet another strange metal box stuck in the surf up is one of a possible group of a dozen or more that have been sited up and down West Coast beaches. Meanwhile, the British government also photographed similar huge metal boxes on beaches in Sri Lanka in the late 1990’s and in early 2004 and 2005. The discovery of the boxes is detailed in updated previously classified reports from the British government that document sightings of unidentified flying objects by both the military and the general public dating back to the 1950s.

www.thecryptocrew.com...

If you will notice the rough bottom edge..that is because they are Styrofoam.

reply to post by Char-Lee


Thanks for the link. It's great to see that someone actually got in touch with Bill Hanshumaker. As I know he didn't reply to me and others that emailed him about this story. I would be pretty annoyed about being misrepresented in an online article if I were him.

" I sent some assistants this weekend to the beach area that is supposed to have the ‘unmovable’ metal boxes and there is nothing there.” - William Hanshumaker, Ph.D., Hatfield Marine Science Center, Newport,

Oregon February 14, 2012 Stonefield and Bray's Point, Oregon, beach region: Two recent internet “news” stories have been circulated by a Dave Masko claiming 5-foot by 5-foot by nearly 1-foot-high metal boxes that made odd sounds had washed up on southern Oregon beaches such as Stonefield and Bray's Point. The second Masko story referenced William Hanshumaker, Ph.D., who is a Senior Instructor at the Hatfield Marine Science Center in Newport, Oregon. On Friday morning, February 10, 2012, I talked with Prof. Hanshumaker about the Masko article. Prof. Hanshumaker said he did not know anything about the metal boxes until Masko called his office around 5 PM on Thursday, February 9, 2012.
Prof. Hanshumaker said he would make no comment until he saw the metal boxes for himself. Today, February 14, 2012, Prof. Hanshumaker phoned me to say that assistants he asked to search this past weekend for the alleged metal boxes could find nothing. Further, half a dozen State Police, Coast Guard and police offices I contacted that have jurisdictions along the Oregon beaches do not have any report about metal boxes washed up on Oregon beaches to date. KVAL CBS 13 in Eugene, Oregon, east of the beaches, has never had a report of such metal boxes either. I also contacted the NOAA Marine Debris Program and talked with the West Coast Regional Coordinator, Nir Barnea, who is unaware of any metal box debris.

www.earthfiles.com...

Originally posted by intuitive
reply to post by DrHammondStoat

 

hi DR

Thank you for your reply, i find these boxes really intresting, even though i know nothing of them lol.

i cant think of them being of alien being type, Only human made, To me it's probably a fuel rod or some sort of gang

related disposing maybe.

hi Intuitive, the most important thing to me was always was there any evidence (apart from some very bad photos and one man's ramblings) that the boxes ever existed in the first place? If they definitely existed beyond any doubt.....then we could speculate on what they might be!

I think Char Lee might be right in saying the ones in the photos look like stryofoam.... packaging cases of some kind, maybe.

reply to post by Char-Lee


I'd lean more towards concrete ballast slabs out of a damaged wharf. Most places here just use boulders, but slabs would probably be easier and more uniform.

Originally posted by ShadeWolf
reply to post by Char-Lee

 

I'd lean more towards concrete ballast slabs out of a damaged wharf. Most places here just use boulders, but slabs would probably be easier and more uniform.

True but everyone took pictures when the foam ones were on the beach I have one so exactly like the one shown, but can't find it...this looks like our beach. But then again it could be a screaming metal box. never know.

reply to post by pryingopen3rdeye


As regards the quake off the Oregon coast i think that if you are not aware I should tell you that this quake has now been defined as two quakes which occurred within one second of each other. On the trace I showed this actually is apparent once you know this to be the case.

I did analyse this further on the Quake Watch thread so may I direct you there first?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

If that does not satisfy your curiosity then I will make a request to my contacts but it could be a considerable time before getting a reply I will warn you now.

I have to say again that I am entirely happy that this was an earthquake (or two). Perhaps you and the other readers would consider this............

The depth of the quake(s) was put at 10km. 10km is only 2km short of the deepest hole ever drilled in the world - the Kola Superdeep Borehole. Note that it is the deepest bore hole and not the longest.

You should also familiarise yourself with the method drilling the DSDP or deep sea drilling program

Even in the DSDP the deepest drilled was about 2km.

I do not believe, that whilst proven to be technically feasible, the US Government or anyone else would be able to drill such a deep and technically difficult hole so close to the coastline of Oregon and manage to go undetected. The water depth in the area is ~3000m (3km) so they would have to drill a further 7km into the crust. In addition the hole would possibly be getting near lithosphere penetration into the asthenosphere - sort of a holy grail of geology and the drive behind all the super-deep drill projects - so why stop there!. (Not that this has a great deal of bearing on the matter)

On top of that there is the cost effectiveness of this. To go to 10km is a massive cost. Why do that when 5 or so (2km crust penetration) would be more than adequate. A mag 6 and a mag 5.9 are about 15 and 10 Kilotons of TNT respectively by the way. ( =(10^(4.8+(magnitude*1.5))/4184)/10^9 )

That is not to state categorically that this event was not caused by a nuke, but in my opinion it is highly unlikely.

reply to post by PuterMan


Thats all very interesting, but what does it have to do with the metal boxes?