Here's an update on the "strange metal boxes washed up on Oregon beach"

reply to post by Night Star


here is a recording of the show that was broadcast last night on 2/14/2012. the first recording of the show i posted was from 2/13/2012

www.youtube.com...



well last night the radio show again focused on this topic alone and some sort of an answer actualy showed itself as they had on a guest scientist with a backround in spectograph and quantum mechanics whom confirmed his credentials to the host and to a few others working for the radio show but wanted to remain annonymous to the listeners the scientist claims his info could indicate an act of war as his reasoning for wishing to be annonymous to the listeners

the scientist claims he has laboratory equipement which is able to detect what is inside the box's as well as where they came from he can tell this with his equipment by analyzing the photo's of the boxes..............

being a student of science with a strong interest in quantum mechanics i am well aware that very very often real laboratory science can appear much more like science fiction, so hearing what this guy says i dont doubt it completly, thats not to say i buy it without question though.

to cut to the chase, this scientist says the box's contain a biological virus that is far far more dangerous then anthrax and he says this box came from a european country, he didnt want to specify anymore which country it came from for fear of blow back.

he does say a few things in this show which can indicate his past public work even he says he may have said enough for people to discern his identitiy

they also discuss the earthquake which occured off the coast and a caller indicates it did not have any p waves,

i am aware of this science they are called piezo waves it is a form of radiation emited from rocks under pressure all geophysical movements emit piezo waves and the supposed lack of with this earthquake indicates it is an explosion not a geo physical movement

now i am unable to locate any source for whether or not the earthquake did have piezo waves, wouldnt know where to look, however i did locate the seismograph of that quake as well as a good comparison seismograph of a confirmed nuke detonation the two graphs are strikingly similiar,

the oregon quake seismograph




the comparison seismograph of a confirmed nuke

reply to post by pryingopen3rdeye


I sent PuterMan a message asking him to come and see your post above re the P waves. He is the best expert I know.

reply to post by berkeleygal


awesome, thank you, should we begin speculating as to what possible reason there could have been a nuke detonated off our coast? and how could it be connected to this mystery?

in the show they already speculated it could be a test, it could be the military disposing of these boxes, it could be the military trying to just use up and waste the nukes we have stockpiled, and imo i wonder if possibly it could have been a detonation to break open the boxes? and spread the supposed virus?

all wild speculation but i must say that graph realy doesnt look like a normal quake,

what other possiblities could explain a detonation off our coast at the same timing as these boxes

reply to post by berkeleygal


Hi BG I got your message. I am going to see what I can get from the closest station and I will get back to you as soon as possible.

What if the boxes were some kind of target for resonant energy to cause the quake?

Just an idea..

reply to post by pryingopen3rdeye


OK. Not considering the boxes at all as I have not even looked at that yet. First off you must remember that on a seismo close to an event, even a small one, the leading edge of the signature is often flat. This is because at the velocities of P and S waves over very short distances there is hardly time to register the gap.

If a P wave is travelling at say 9 km/second and an S wave at 5 km/second you have got to go a long way before the difference becomes distinguishable on a bunched up seismogram reading like that. Even so the surface waves will show more.

By looking at an LHZ channel with only 1 sample a second the P and S waves become clearer.



Have got 4 seismos downloaded and i will say that these are not easy to see. I think this next one is right. This is 100 samples per second and you can see how much more compact it is.



I can look at some more tomorrow if you are not happy with that but it is 3 am here and I must be away to my bed.

BTW if you look at the phase data you can see P and S wave cracking on in the bunched up behind each other.

sta phase arrival res dist azm amp per mag amp per mag sta
KEBM ePn 03:31:56.89 -2.1X 2.3 106 L:3.4+1 1.1 5.3 KEBM
eSn 03:32:23.40 S res = -4.3X
KBO ePn 03:32:02.02 -1.8 2.7 119 L:1.5+1 2.0 5.1 KBO
eSn 03:32:31.09 S res = -5.1X

neic.usgs.gov...

It is my belief that this is an earthquake and not a nuclear detonation. As i say if you are not happy i can take a further look tomorrow and run it past a contact I have at Dublin University (The head of seismology) who also does work for the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty.

Night all.

reply to post by PuterMan


i absolutely appreciate this research you have presented and a very good job, i am satisfied but thats not to say everyone else will be and i would realy realy appreciate more, especialy if you would bring this up to your contact in Dublin University, i think that would realy help alot with trying to understand this whole sittuation,

thank you very much for your time and effort on this.

this is becoming more interesting by the moment!!
i will be following this closely

reply to post by pryingopen3rdeye


so has the scientist on the radio programme actually examined one of the boxes?....worse than anthrax? thats pretty bad what has he done with the box now?

reply to post by dashdespatch


listen to the show i posted, he explains,

says he is using some equipment to determine all those details from only the photograph of the box.

so no he doesnt have a box himself

reply to post by pryingopen3rdeye


how on earth can you determine the contents of a box from just its photograph

there is now an update to this strange story. As of late afternoon Feb. 8, Bill Hanshumaker, a public marine specialist and (Ph.D) doctor of marine science at the Hatfield Marine Science Center in nearby Newport, told Huliq in an interview that, “I don’t know what they are.”

Thanks for the update Bill.......very informative

reply to post by pryingopen3rdeye


I've listened to the first 40 mins of the radio show and I can't say I'm any more convinced about this story.

The host of the show is linking various events together willy nilly. His informants have been Dave Masko (you know what I think of him ) and an anonymous person called 'friend no. 5' who is the one that said that beaches were closed and there was mlilitary activity. The host of the show says people have been writing to him about these boxes. If his information is coming from emails, how can he be sure it's not all coming from Masko?

I know that the Ground Zero host went down to the beaches and said people have told him they'd seen the boxes but why doesn't he include the full names of these people that he talked too, for us at home it's just another load of anonymous, unverifiable sources. He says it's a 'fact' that the boxes disappeared, it isn't, first you would have to have proved they were there in the first place.

Am I alone in thinking the Scientist (who is also keeping anonymous) sounds nuts? He starts talking about 'what UFO dropped an egg?" I'm no science expert but what he says sounds absolutely bizarre. He says he took a photograph of the boxes and could deduce what they were made of and what was in them. He also said that he took a picture of a Japanese spacecraft and deduced it was only made from styrofoam

The scientist is constantly talking in riddles and silly metaphors such as 'the maple syrup was no longer infecting people when put on the pancake"!? He rambles on and on like this and it's the host that seems to come to the conclusions about the boxes.

Apparently there was a virus or some kind of deadly contagen in the boxes that is now inert unless it is mixed with something. Despite this Dave Masko says he got an eye infection after looking at the boxes, if they were inert, how is that possible?

Also if Masko was close enough to get an eye infection why didn't he take some decent close up photos of the boxes. I'm guessing the professor didn't use the tiny grainy images for his high tech '3D eyeball' spectography.

If some Military organisation came and got the boxes, why didn't they give the actual boxes to a scientist instead of just a photograph?

Is there anyone out there who knows about spectography because to me this all smells as rotten as it gets. I'll listen to the rest of the show.....

Originally posted by Argyll

there is now an update to this strange story. As of late afternoon Feb. 8, Bill Hanshumaker, a public marine specialist and (Ph.D) doctor of marine science at the Hatfield Marine Science Center in nearby Newport, told Huliq in an interview that, “I don’t know what they are.”

Thanks for the update Bill.......very informative

it's almost as if someone who isn't a scientist made up a silly little quote just so their article could mention a proper scientist

Originally posted by DrHammondStoat
reply to post by pryingopen3rdeye

 

I know that the Ground Zero host went down to the beaches and said people have told him they'd seen the boxes but why doesn't he include the full names of these people that he talked too, for us at home it's just another load of anonymous, unverifiable sources. He says it's a 'fact' that the boxes disappeared, it isn't, first you would have to have proved they were there in the first place.

Am I alone in thinking the Scientist (who is also keeping anonymous) sounds nuts? He starts talking about 'what UFO dropped an egg?"

I'm no science expert but what he says sounds absolutely bizarre. He says he took a photograph of the boxes and could deduce what they were made of and what was in them. He also said that he took a picture of a Japanese spacecraft and deduced it was only made from styrofoam

The scientist is constantly talking in riddles and silly metaphors such as 'the maple syrup was no longer infecting people when put on the pancake"!? He rambles on and on like this and it's the host that seems to come to the conclusions about the boxes.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Too bad this scientist didn't say what his technique is called that can detect bio agents inside a metal box, by looking at a grainy photo of said box, taken from hundreds of yards away... The TSA would go nuts for this tech.
LOL

I got the impression that the "scientist" studied at Hogwarts.

I can't see that a large metal box containing "something more dangerous than anthrax" would hum and have a glowing aura. *If* the box(s) are welded shut, the aura would likely be an electromagnetic field surrounding the box. Highly unlikely if the plan was an act of terrorism.

Anyhow, my impression of the whole thing is a load of Hogwarts.

reply to post by jimbo999


I am not going to go through every post but believe someone has already said this to a degree, but lets connect all the dots.

Most UFO's are military craft
DARPA to Drop Computer "F-Bombs" to Spy on Public 2/13/12
www.youtube.com...
FBI ruled to close DNC spy servers by March8

Now look at these boxes closely. They are humming, what does that mean? Put all this info together what do you suppose these are?

I say wireless communication, like cell towers, designed to monitor all activity. Disposable spy net.

So disinfo guru's start the whole UFO conspiracy to sidetrack everyone, works every time apparantly.

Originally posted by DrHammondStoat
reply to post by pryingopen3rdeye

 

..sigh.. you misunderstood alot.

The host of the show is linking various events together willy nilly. His informants have been Dave Masko (you know what I think of him

) and an anonymous person called 'friend no. 5' who is the one that said that beaches were closed and there was mlilitary activity. The host of the show says people have been writing to him about these boxes. If his information is coming from emails, how can he be sure it's not all coming from Masko?

the host of the show from the very start has been suspect of dave masko even going so far as to call him a kook,

he already stated that 'friend #5' is far from a reliable source so there isnt any need to rehash that fact unless you just didnt pay attention (sounds like you didnt)

yes people were wrighting to him, he did not say that is his ONLY source, in fact during his show he played audio recordings of at least 7 people that he interviewed when he drove down to the beach who all ON RECORDING said yes they saw the boxes, so far what we know then is that if it is a hoax then atleast 8 people are involved, (including masko)

I know that the Ground Zero host went down to the beaches and said people have told him they'd seen the boxes but why doesn't he include the full names of these people that he talked too, for us at home it's just another load of anonymous, unverifiable sources. He says it's a 'fact' that the boxes disappeared, it isn't, first you would have to have proved they were there in the first place.

its not like those people were celibrities you can just google up, they were just typical residents or visitors to the beach so having their names would not have helped verify them anymore then a recording of their voice does, and he DID play voice recordings of their confirmation of the boxes existence

Am I alone in thinking the Scientist (who is also keeping anonymous) sounds nuts?

he was anonymous to the listeners yes but the host states he knows who he is and did verify his credentials the host of the show was not the only one who did so, roger from ghost recon who went with the host to the beach for the investigation also ascerts the mans creds where checked, but yes you are right that their word is hardly proven fact, so goes the world of conspiracy research.

and yes he may sound nuts but thats what they said about radio's before the invention and television and airplanes, real science always sounds like fiction before it becomes well known.

He starts talking about 'what UFO dropped an egg?"

I'm no science expert but what he says sounds absolutely bizarre

he said himself the boxes did not come from any alien ufo but rather came from a european country, so this bit is misleading,

He says he took a photograph of the boxes and could deduce what they were made of and what was in them. He also said that he took a picture of a Japanese spacecraft and deduced it was only made from styrofoam

no he did not say he took any photos himself the photo's he analyzed were the ones mister masko took,

the photo of the japanese space shuttle was during the time when japan was claiming to be invlolved in the space race he analyzed a photo from the japanese media to confirm they did not actualy have a real shuttle and the photo that the japan media was presenting was a hoax

The scientist is constantly talking in riddles and silly metaphors such as 'the maple syrup was no longer infecting people when put on the pancake"!? He rambles on and on like this and it's the host that seems to come to the conclusions about the boxes.

the 'scientist' clearly stated himself that what was inside was biological and worse then anthrax, not the host.

the 'maple syrup' was an example not a riddle he was saying that the 'virus' is inert but can become active when combined with something he clearly said what it needs to be combined with to become active could be absolutely anything from sea water to saliva to maple syrup and that the virus could even be designed to become inert again if combined with something more also without restriction such as to put it on a pancake,

they were just random examples,

Apparently there was a virus or some kind of deadly contagen in the boxes that is now inert unless it is mixed with something. Despite this Dave Masko says he got an eye infection after looking at the boxes, if they were inert, how is that possible?

perhaps what the virus needed to be combined with was blood cells or something else contained within the eye.

or perhaps the eye infection is completely unrelated

Also if Masko was close enough to get an eye infection why didn't he take some decent close up photos of the boxes.

imo not getting better photos then what he did get is nothing more then incompetence, i too am frustrated that the #er couldnt have gotten better photo's

I'm guessing the professor didn't use the tiny grainy images for his high tech '3D eyeball' spectography.

i do believe he said that those are in fact the photo's he used, and never did i hear him say the words "3d eyeball"

If some Military organisation came and got the boxes, why didn't they give the actual boxes to a scientist instead of just a photograph?

who knows what the military did with them, no on who's talking.

and who ever said he got his photo from the military? you randomly pulled out that one.

Is there anyone out there who knows about spectography

en.wikipedia.org...

the man did say that spectography was only a part of his method and alot of what he did to figure that info out revolves around quantum science,

btw, on the air the 'scientist' did give out his email address so if you have questions for him or his field then email him :p i did,

reply to post by DISINFORMANT


dont you think hundreds of yards away is a bit of an exhageration? the photos are no more then 20 feet away at best, i'd estimate they appear more like within 10 feet