US Marines posed with Nazi symbol in Afghanistan

i am not trying to twist anything.

this is a real eye opener for a lot of people.

members of the US army using NAZI symbols only a few weeks after we see other members urinating on dead bodies.

and the CORPS have said this is not acceptable. so why are folks trying to make excuses for using NAZI symbols?

Originally posted by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

Back on topic, the symbol on the flag does indeed look very much like the nazi ss symbols, whether they posed with that flag, and those symbols on it, deliberately or not, the fact is, it surely portrays a controversial topic.

vvv

I don't see how this could not have been very deliberate. It is all US guys in the pic. One of them obviously carries that flag with him.
Infact I would love to see a better picture because I would not be surprised to see that the 'SS' insignia is probably attached to the stars and stripes.

reply to post by Rafe_


Dude do you not "get it"? I said attacking their MOS, which in this case would be 0317 Scout Sniper.

I was replying to you only because you were calling them pussies for being snipers.

Is that clear enough for your neural connections to manage?
I didn't reply to anything you said about the flag.

Originally posted by lacrimaererum
i am not trying to twist anything.

this is a real eye opener for a lot of people.

members of the US army using NAZI symbols only a few weeks after we see other members urinating on dead bodies.

and the CORPS have said this is not acceptable. so why are folks trying to make excuses for using NAZI symbols?

Again - I have made no excuses for anyone - I've asked about the symbolism. Why are you ignoring that question? IF that symbolism's being misinterpreted (as per the question I raised) then it's not intended as NAZI symbolism at all. Is that any clearer for you?

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


I'm not sure what's more "off topic," Rafe calling Marine Scout Snipers "pussies," "cowards," etc, or me replying to it.

I honestly don't get some people lol.
How hard is it to read what I was replying to?

ETA: How many people who disagree with this flag have I not replied to? I simply replied to Rafe because he replied to a post of mine that was not directed towards him. People can voice their opinion on the flag all they want - but when people personally insult the Marines for a specific field they went into, it pisses me off. It has nothing to do with the flag.

At any rate, thank you for at least being respectful when stating your opinion. That type of thing goes a long way, and it seems to be lacking majorly on ATS these days. This place never used to be like it is now when I first started reading here. Frankly, it's enough to make me want to stop coming here and I just finally managed to join a couple weeks ago.

reply to post by Toffeeapple


You have raised the question of symbolism. Ok.

Its a NAZI symbol.

The FLAG under the US star and stripes is a NAZI symbol. It doesn't matter if some american marines are using it. It is still a NAZI symbol. It doesn't matter what pictures you put up with skulls and guns. Its still a NAZI symbol.

And I didn't see any reference to snipers in the flag in the picture. It is is very plainly and very simply a blue flag with the NAZI 'SS' insignia.

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


It's NOT a NAZI symbol.

The word NAZI, means National Socialismus, or refers to "national socialism". It's a form of government rule, that has nothing to do with the SS.

The ignorance is on your side, to want to "symbolise" an act of cruelty. Instead of going to the seams of things, and understanding what actually occured, why and how. You simply ignore that "why and how", and indulge yourself in unmotivated hatred and because of your stupidity. What occurred, will happen again, because you are too focused on "who" did it, instead of "why".

The SS had nothing to do with the nazis. The SS, was originally created by Hindenburg, after WWI, and trained with sticks and stones, because Germany wasn't allowed to train them with actual guns. The idea was to imitade the "black student corp" from the Danish Copenhagen university, that fought of the Swedes during their raid on Copenhagen.

This "admiration" is nothing unique. After WWII, many jews for cought wearing SS uniforms as a hobby. And the US army is continuously copying their efforts. Their warfare is a copy of german warfare (blitzkrieg) and (aereal warfare) ... their generals are all german descendants. The helmet currently used by the US, is a pretty good copy of the german helmet. And of course, we could carry on like this for a long long time ...

And the US army has murdered many more millions of civilians, than the germans ever did. They even lay behind them a trail of radioactive dust, to kill the infants of their enemies as well.

Americans are generally morons, ignorant people that think they have something to teach the world ... I hope the day comes, the world teaches the US how to deal with losses, sooner than later ... for the sake of the rest of the world.

Nazist rhetoric , Hitleresqe ideologies , violent depravities , go hand in hand with invasions , Al-Quaida hunts , Guantanamos and Abu Graibs , and over-strong military industrial complexes , asset stripping their ways round the world . Stripping these very fools of their pay . Like bred animals part of the farm they are .

It is a symbol , of pi$$ing on an helpless and undefended 'enemy' aka victims . Of the sickest of vulgar crimes .
Symbolic perhaps of their musing on orders , or to scare the defenders of their victims , animals they are and remain so . Dumb ones .

Not cannon-fodder these days they are fodder for the medic's table , the perfect materials for medical research .
They can be snuffed like the heli full of thirty who , lets say , 'involved' themselves with Bin Laden . Or they can be the leading edge taking pints and pints of blood to live a life as less than a whole man .

Hitler , in Mein Kampf states the physically disabled should be invited to kill themselves , on the behalf of wider society , so as not to be a burden . The mentally handicapped are not extended this courtesy .

It fills one with repulsion to know that in some how in some ways he has got his wish. Imagine a child his or her hopes being crushed , no life to live is it for them , even without some disablement of their own .

Pigs , they are farm animals ... fodder . And the damn fools think they a clever . Rot in hell is what I say to Nazis and I #ing mean it too .

Originally posted by r3axion
reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

 

I'm not sure what's more "off topic," Rafe calling Marine Scout Snipers "pussies," "cowards," etc, or me replying to it.

I honestly don't get some people lol.
How hard is it to read what I was replying to?

ETA: How many people who disagree with this flag have I not replied to? I simply replied to Rafe because he replied to a post of mine that was not directed towards him. People can voice their opinion on the flag all they want - but when people personally insult the Marines for a specific field they went into, it pisses me off. It has nothing to do with the flag.

edit on 2-10-12 by r3axion because: (no reason given)

Look mate, be the better man, and don't take it personally when someone mentions the marines, however bad it may seem. I see it so very often in these type of threads on ATS. The ex marine guys, or guys that have served, always come out to defend the core, or what they did.
Just like you get "pissed off" by people that insult the marines, so do i get worked up when the marine guys on here, feel to belittle the opinions of those civilians, who wants to raise their opinions regarding these type of issues.

The fact is, we have a flag here, with two SS letters on it. It does indeed look almost exactly like the SS symbol the nazi's used. Even if it stand for Sniper Scouts, that does not negate the fact, that it identical to the Nazi ss symbol. Why not at least change the font that it was written in then?, maybe use a nice Times Roman font.

These guys, except if they have absolutely no idea about world history, MUST have known the connetation these two SS letters have.

vvv

Originally posted by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

Originally posted by r3axion
reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

 

I'm not sure what's more "off topic," Rafe calling Marine Scout Snipers "pussies," "cowards," etc, or me replying to it.

I honestly don't get some people lol.
How hard is it to read what I was replying to?

ETA: How many people who disagree with this flag have I not replied to? I simply replied to Rafe because he replied to a post of mine that was not directed towards him. People can voice their opinion on the flag all they want - but when people personally insult the Marines for a specific field they went into, it pisses me off. It has nothing to do with the flag.

edit on 2-10-12 by r3axion because: (no reason given)

Look mate, be the better man, and don't take it personally when someone mentions the marines, however bad it may seem. I see it so very often in these type of threads on ATS. The ex marine guys, or guys that have served, always come out to defend the core, or what they did.
Just like you get "pissed off" by people that insult the marines, so do i get worked up when the marine guys on here, feel to belittle the opinions of those civilians, who wants to raise their opinions regarding these type of issues.

The fact is, we have a flag here, with two SS letters on it. It does indeed look almost exactly like the SS symbol the nazi's used. Even if it stand for Sniper Scouts, that does not negate the fact, that it identical to the Nazi ss symbol. Why not at least change the font that it was written in then?, maybe use a nice Times Roman font.

These guys, except if they have absolutely no idea about world history, MUST have known the connetation these two SS letters have.

vvv

I added more onto my post before I saw that you replied.

I'm done replying. He asked what my point was and he obviously didn't get it, so I just pointed it out to him. I don't know how much clearer I can get.

I don't look at anyone different because they're a civilian. On the contrary, it's the civilians that look at US differently. We're "warmongers," "psychopaths," "pawns," "corporate mercenaries," etc. I've read it all. (for a perfect example view ZIPMATTs post above.) This website is largely anti american, and the military and ex military are in the extreme minority. People forget that we made our way and joined ATS for a reason. To show we're NOT like everyone else, and yet all that happens here is we get belittled and spat on with anti military, anti american rhetoric on a consistent basis. 90% of the posts I read here are by bigots claiming to oppose bigotry.

I hope you can at least understand that.

Originally posted by buster2010
reply to post by sonnny1

 

You did know that burning the flag is the proper way to dispose of it. The US Flag Code. TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > Sec. 8(k). It states:

"The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning"

It looks like it was being burned at a protest. You forget protesting is a right?

Thomas Jefferson said "dissent is the purest form of patriotism,"

Sure....did Thomas Jefferson say burning the American flag was patriotic?

Lets not mince words.......

Find him saying that,and you get a prize.

I skipped over what most of you people said because I've seen this "SS" insignia on other Scout Snipers hats, T-shirts, tatoos, etc...

At first I thought it was quasi neo nazi but figured it didn't matter when I saw a pic with a black guy with "SS" insignia on his neck just like neo nazi's.

I don't know but have you guys ever been to a GUNSHOW before? Here in the NW ppl proudly display their war trophies and memorabilia such as German and Japanese Icography draped over their tables. When one culture dominates another they tend to absorb the most elite opponents they fought and exonerate them in their own military. Yes I know what the loads of tables with books like "the Turner Diaries" have rascists behind them, but no matter what race you are if you are a "Scout Sniper" you gladly display the SS lighting bolts whether you're rascist or not... It's a badge of courage to these people and they're just pointing out how elite they are compared to other's that they have integrated in their culture...

Do you guys flip out when you see a Chrisanthenum hanging from a flag?

Originally posted by r3axion

I don't look at anyone different because they're a civilian. On the contrary, it's the civilians that look at US differently. We're "warmongers," "psychopaths," "pawns," "corporate mercenaries," etc.

To take part in a war, outside your country ... is being a warmonger, and a pawn ... and generally stupid. You should feel insulted, because it IS an insult.

After WWII, American soldier murdered over a million german soldiers by starvation. Their only crime, was to follow orders ... these soldiers had nothing to do, with what was done in the concentration camps.

YOU ARE AND WILL BE JUDGED, the same way you judged these Germans. You copy theri symbols, you copy their warfare ... and go on a frenzy to murder, pillage and sodomize people around the world.

So, prepare yourself for the consequences ... you desereve the same treatment, the victims had. These CIVILIANS DEMAND that you disobey orders, and have a consicience, because that IS WHAT YOU DEMANDED OF THE GERMANS:

reply to post by Toffeeapple


Well I didn't exactly say it doesn't mean anything. They use it as the symbol for Scout Sniper.

That's a different way of looking at that, I didn't see it that way. But yeah, I think you are misinterpreting that image when you compare it to the context of the others. It's simply the symbol they use to represent their title, nothing more.

It's a shame that people are getting so bent out of shape over something that does not affect them in any way. If they never saw that picture, they would have never even known even though it's been their symbol for years now.

reply to post by theRhenn


Actually, i would say this isn't nit picking - the swastika is an entirely different symbol to the SS symbol.

This was either an extremely stupid mistake or a sinister acknowledgement. I just do not believe they didn't realise what the symbol was. If so, they must be the only soldiers on the planet from the western world unaware of the connotations.

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


If these Marines are looking at you down their scopes i doubt they care what religion you are. These men do a fantastic job. Who cares about a flag, besides it looks like a KISS symbol.

Originally posted by bjarneorn
reply to post by Corruption Exposed

 

The SS had nothing to do with the nazis.

edit on 10/2/2012 by bjarneorn because: (no reason given)

This has got to be one of the dumbest things I have ever read on ATS. And you have the cheek to talk about ignorance.

The group was first formed in 1923, as a company of the SA who were given the task of protecting senior leaders of the Nazi Party at rallies, speeches, and other public events. Commanded by Emil Maurice, and known as the Stabswache (Staff Guard), the original group consisted of eight men and was modeled after the Erhardt Naval Brigade, a violent Freikorps of the time.

After the failed 1923 Putsch by the Nazi Party, the SA and the Stabswache were abolished, yet they returned in 1925. At that time, the Stabswache was reestablished as the 30-man "Stosstrupp Adolf Hitler", given the task of providing personal protection for Hitler at Nazi Party functions and events.

The SS and the nazi's were one and the same.

Nothing to do with Nazi's . Uh? you what now???

According to the Nuremberg Trials, as well as many war crimes investigations and trials conducted since then, the SS was responsible for the vast majority of war crimes perpetrated under the Nazi regime.

en.wikipedia.org...

Honestly the dumbest statement ever........

GUYS THE FACT IS THEY USE 'SS' AS A FORM OF SUPERIORITY OVER OTHERS!

Not only did they have to go thru marine basic, they had to go thru SS mos as well. Well let them keep their symbol it's been like this for decades... And what a better way to show that we have "conqured" Himmler's crazy bodyguard than to have people of all races tatooed with SS all thoughout the military as acomplishments... Himmler would be rolling in his gave right now if he new a "Jew" had an SS symbol on his mark and was using it proudly!

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