Director of National Intelligence - Hello Gestapo

This is crazy. This is happening at light speed before right before the eyes of the whole world. All intelligence power is quietly being consolidated into one office that reports only to the president. Combine this office with the patriot act, and we've got our own american gestapo - unlimited surveillance, and the ability to arrest, imprison, and execute without any kind of jury trial.

WASHINGTON - Two key senators introduced legislation Wednesday to overhaul the intelligence community, becoming the latest legislators to propose shifting power from the Defense Department to a new national intelligence director.
���Two months ago, the notion that a new intelligence czar would take power from the defense secretary was heresy. But public pressure from the Sept. 11 commission and a looming election appear to have shaken the conventional wisdom.

Shaken conventional wisdom? Arrrrghh! This is being lightly glossed over in all the major media outlets. I can't believe it's actually happening here in my lifetime. Beware the Czar, and disable your cookies.



Read all about it here, then tell everyone about it everywhere. Wonder if we'll be able to get on ATS from Guantanamo?

Unbelievable. Nobody gives a hoot. Nary a bleat from the sheeple.
I guess if I want discussion, I better stick to dreams, aliens, masonry, or who saw what hit the pentagon.

How about this - I dreamed that aliens are introducing alien legislature to reprogram cellphone towers to transmit messages that masons are giving away free goatmeat that contains microchips that will cause us to wrap our handguns in pita shaped pictures of John Ashcroft and eat them while lining up for our tickets to the internment trains.

Anyone else having similar dreams?

Relax, bunkbuster.

Three hours is not long to wait for a response especially since the rank and file ATS member hasn't gotten home from school yet.

It has been learned since 9/11 that one of the myriad weaknesses which made the attacks possible was the lack of an intelligence clearinghouse, if you will--a means by which the various agencies share information.

Every now and again someone's idea of how to fix America includes an infringement of one right or another. You know, like the Assault Weapons Ban. That's why we all need to be vigilant at all times and make sure that no legislation lives beyond its usefulness.



[edit on 04/9/16 by GradyPhilpott]

ok -[deep breath] calming down [/deep breath]

You have to admit, though, that this is very serious legislation that puts dangerous amounts of intelligence and enforcement power in the hands of very few men of questionable integrity.

Also, how exactly did intelligence fail on 911? Were there not numerous warnings and reports predicting attacks against america, especially from extremists in general, and Osama in particular? Is this not what the whole "BUSH KNEW!!!" argument about? Was the intelligence gathering at fault, or the enforcement of the nations defense? Didn't Condi admit there was a report predicting an attack that simply went unread?

John O'Neill quit not because of bureaucracy, but because his investigations into Osama were deliberately thwarted. He was not allowed to gather necessary intelligence. Was this because of whom the intelligence would eventually implicate?

Did intelligence failure cause NORAD to stand down on 9/11?

This has all the earmarks of classic Helgelian tactics. Blame the intelligence community for the attacks, then re-organize them with more draconian power as the response. Take the left over red tape, and use it cover the mouths of those of us unable to relax.

Thanks for at least noticing, Grady. It is becoming increasingly harder to relax when I am seeing large chunks of sky falling every day...

Lookie what happened when we were swept up in the fear of terror attacks:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Many of the news threads surrounding those days were all about impending terror attacks, which never happened. You can see where I stand on this issue in that thread.

I am with you though bunkbuster, it's amazing the lack of attention this gets. People would rather live the drama of speculative terror than to be concerned with real issues.

I am looking forward to the day that i allowed to talk about (by law) a terrible "gestapoesque" scenario that i was somewhat attached to.... until then let me just say this...
sneek and peek law.... ats a boo...(they are looking at you)
also the new confiscation rules, mean that several business i know will be shut down until the courts decide if they have a case against the FBI...
if the case is refused then your FBI has directly caused the loss of more than 100 jobs... by more or less nationalising them... and closing them... for no reason other than covering their a$$.

i read through the daily posts about the NEW GESTAPO... and i am bolled over... you all have no idea in your worst dreams how true the worst case scenario is...
if you ever see a new post that says AMERICA HAS GONE GESTAPO by me, then please read it, because i and many other law abiding citizens will be depending on it. It will be me breaking my silence.
There is no control over the radicalism of these new federal bureaus... there is no check and balance... they control every way to hold them responsible for an illegal or incorrect action...
right now everyone thinks that muslims and terrorists are the only people who are assumed guilty before innocent and held without cause and watched without warrant.
NOT SO... me.. mr joe america can testify that you had better take back the power before it is to late... or it will be USSA...before you know it...

i am saying very clearly, write to your congressman/senator tell them that you want a check and balance for these new divisions (and old).
If our government officials/emplyees break the law, then they should NOT be protected by the law, they should be persecuted by it.

if you love the way this country used to be, then vote to restore it...

and anyone who says , it only happens to bad people... watch and wait and learn the hard way...

[edit on 16-9-2004 by LazarusTheLong]

Fit this information with many of the laws and executive orders put in to place for the past 30 years, and this is simply another milestone on the road to government control, the growing power of the UN, loss of sovereignty and loss of civil rights.

Why is the press silent? Becuase many of them agree with this course of action. The intellectual elite know what is best for the masses. We would all be wise to be alert, to raise the red flag.

I believe that this is part of what the Bible refers to in Daniel and Revelation. We are seeing the start of the one world goverment that will eventually be led by the anti-christ.

Even if you don't agree with my assessment, it is still 1984, George Orwellian, Brave New World bone shilling information.

Be Alert! Stay Informed!

The Spider

What do you have to hide Bunkbuster? Personally I don't care if the Intelligence czar installs cameras in my shower. As long as it keeps some terrorist from disconnecting my head from my shoulders. That event is highly inprobable but I don't mind big brother anyways.

SU NIOJ TSUM UOY SU NIOJ

It is incredibly frightening. They keep taking away our freedoms. Now, you have to sign a loyalty document to get into a Bush rally, did you know that? They arrested protestors in New York at the RNC. Then held them and suspended their rights to a lawyer. I rember reading about a bunch of guys who dissented against an oppressive government, and ended up starting a whole damn country based on freedom. It is truly sickening to see these people wrapping themselves in a flag they spit upon, and defile.

This is a very, very sad time for our nation.

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong

if you ever see a new post that says AMERICA HAS GONE GESTAPO by me, then please read it, because i and many other law abiding citizens will be depending on it. It will be me breaking my silence.

Can you not break your silence anonymously? Please tell us what you know!

Originally posted by spidergooch
Fit this information with many of the laws and executive orders put in to place for the past 30 years, and this is simply another milestone on the road to government control, the growing power of the UN, loss of sovereignty and loss of civil rights.

I don't want to believe it, but the evidence certainly seems to be suggesting this.

Originally posted by verfed
What do you have to hide Bunkbuster?

Just my weeeeed. But my fear is that soon I will have to hide my opinion that the people of the world should remain free rather than enslaved.

Originally posted by RockerDom
This is a very, very sad time for our nation.

If this is really happening, it is a very, very sad time for our entire world.

If it to come to that, then I will fight for freedom. I will not live in fear, or as a slave to anyone.

It may be folly, or a loosing cause, but it is one that I will gladly give life and limb for.

Freedom Rings!

The Spider

Be Alert! Stay Informed!

In my opinion, many are already blinded by fear, afraid to face the reality that the coup has already occurred.

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"September is National Preparedness Month."

"Be vigillant. Be alert. Be prepared."

-Seen on a digital highway hazard sign, September 2004, I-95.

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"Porter Goss is a leader with strong experience in intelligence in the fight against terrorism," Bush added in a Rose Garden ceremony with Goss at his side." - George W. Bush

www.msnbc.msn.com...

Amply documented, Porter Goss had an established personal relationship to the Head of Pakistan Military Intelligence (ISI), General Mahmoud Ahmad, who according to the Washington Post "ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban" (Washington Post, 18 May 2002).

According to the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the ISI has over the years supported a number of Islamic terrorist organizations, while maintaining close links to the CIA:

"Through its Interservices Intelligence agency (ISI), Pakistan provided funding, arms, training facilities, and aid in crossing borders to both Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Muhammad..."

globalresearch.ca...


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"Ariel Sharon is a man of peace." - George W. Bush

In Lebanon's squalid refugee camps, Sharon is known as the "butcher" of Sabra and Chatilla -- two refugee camps in Beirut where Israeli-allied Lebanese militiamen massacred hundreds of Palestinians in 1982.

Sharon, who was defense minister when Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982, was later found by an Israeli inquiry to be indirectly responsible for the massacre.

www.cnn.com...

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Wednesday, November 20, 2002 Posted: 7:26 PM EST (0026 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Pentagon said Wednesday that it's working to develop a powerful information-gathering system designed to uncover possible terrorists before they strike, but the plan is already coming under fire from civil libertarians who say it would violate Americans' constitutional rights.

"If the Pentagon has its way, every American -- from the Nebraskan farmer to the Wall Street banker -- will find themselves under the accusatory cyber-stare of an all-powerful national security apparatus," said Laura W. Murphy, director of the Washington office for the American Civil Liberties Union.

"So much for the presumption of innocence and the right to privacy," said George Getz, a spokesman for the Libertarian Party. "Unless this Orwellian project is dismantled, innocent Americans will suffer under the kind of high-tech, 24-hour surveillance that the Stasi and the KGB would have envied."


www.cnn.com...


What freedom? The order of the new world has already been put into place.

"This is pretty much like the same thing that Germany did, in Feb. 28, 1933, when the famous Notverordnung [emergency decree] was established. Just remember, after the Reichstag burning, the Reichstag fire, that G�ring, who commanded at that time, Prussia�he was the Minister-President of Prussia at the time�set into motion an operation. As part of this, operating under the rules of Carl Schmitt, a famous pro-Nazi jurist of Germany, they passed this act called the Notverordnung, the emergency act, which gave the state the power, according to Schmitt's doctrine, to designate which part of his own population were enemies, and to imprison them, freely. And to eliminate them. This was the dictatorship...."

Lyndon LaRouche, 1/3/2001

www.larouchepub.com...

Might as well enjoy it while we have it, because it seems that unless a miracle occurs, this pattern will only lead to further restrictions- not further freedoms.

MK

Speaking of 1984..

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping
on a human face...FOREVER " - George Orwell

The American government cannot maintain control of its own citizens anymore than in can maintain control of oil prices or the U.S.A. of the beginning of the 20th Century when the real power was divided into the great businessmen of J.P. Morgan, Andrew Carnegie, and John D. Rockefeller. Do you know how hard and absolutlley lucky it was that the Nazi's got to be so powerful? The Soviets thought they too enjoyed such 100% saturation of dictatorship only to fall apart from a torrent of neglect and economic hardships shortly after Josheph Stalin died.

The real threat is not with the American government at all but rather with individual businessmen just like it was about one hundred years ago. History has tendendency of repeating itself but unfortunatley you got the wrong history.

Originally posted by verfed
SU NIOJ TSUM UOY SU NIOJ

If this is true, Im going outside right now and start digging holes and underground bases like the Vietcong...

In all honesty, every time I�m in a car, I�m looking at building�s and land formations for the best places to hide and launch ambushes...

The American government cannot maintain control of its own citizens anymore than in can maintain control of oil prices or the U.S.A.

That's a fairly broad generalization. Consider this piece of history:

The CHILDREN OF THE CAMPS documentary captures the experiences of six Americans of Japanese ancestry who were confined as innocent children to internment camps by the U.S. government during World War II. The film vividly portrays their personal journey to heal the deep wounds they suffered from this experience.

www.pbs.org...

Another businessman who must have gotten "lucky":

December 6, 1939

An excerpt of a TWX to all FBI Special Agents in Charge (SAC) from J. Edgar Hoover, Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)

"The Bureau is, at the present time, preparing a list of individuals, both aliens and citizens of the United States, on whom there is information available to indicate that their presence at liberty in this country in time of war or national emergency would be dangerous to the public peace and the safety of the United States Government. The information now available relative to these individuals is, however, incomplete in most instances and it will be necessary to obtain additional information relative to the affiliations, business interests, activities, present address, age, and citizenship status of each."

www.foitimes.com...

It seems that there is nothing new about the government infringing on civil liberties. Additionally, more from the US government- it wasn't limited to Japanese-Americans:

S. 1909 Wartime Violation of Italian American Civil Liberties Act (Introduced in the Senate)

November 10, 1999

The Congress makes the following findings:

(1) The freedom of more than 600,000 Italian-born immigrants in the United States and their families was restricted during World War II by Government measures that branded them `enemy aliens' and included carrying identification cards, travel restrictions, and seizure of personal property.

(2) During World War II more than 10,000 Italian Americans living on the West Coast were forced to leave their homes and prohibited from entering coastal zones. More than 50,000 were subjected to curfews.

(3) During World War II thousands of Italian American immigrants were arrested, and hundreds were interned in military camps.

(4) Hundreds of thousands of Italian Americans performed exemplary service and thousands sacrificed their lives in defense of the United States.

(5) At the time, Italians were the largest foreign-born group in the United States, and today are the fifth largest immigrant group in the United States, numbering approximately 15,000,000.

(6) The impact of the wartime experience was devastating to Italian American communities in the United States, and its effects are still being felt.

(7) A deliberate policy kept these measures from the public during the war. Even 50 years later much information is still classified, the full story remains unknown to the public, and it has never been acknowledged in any official capacity by the United States Government.

foitimes.com...

Finally, an official acknowledgement, by US Congress. As you say:

"History has tendendency of repeating itself but unfortunatley you got the wrong history."

History will capitalize on that tendency, regardless of whether there was a lack of awareness due to that "wrong history" being intentionally withheld.

MK-
Great research. Supremely depressing, but thanks.
Took me a while to *urp* digest it all, but now I'm all full up on TIA.

Starting to smell the coffee. We're screwed. Difficult situation to realize and live with.
It's just so hard to believe the only things left to do are shut up and hide. The only ones listening are the ones who'll take you out. I'm starting to feel like Dale Gribble.

Thanks for the info, tho.

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Correct me if i am mistaken, but isn't this just transfering power from one criminal arm of government to another criminal arm? I have mixed feelings about this. Are we better off funding departments that over time form their own agendas, but do give some continuity that spans administrations? Or put all the power directly under the control of elected officials which risks some rogue politician getting [or stealing] elected?
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Can anyone say P-A-R-A-N-O-I-A? Just why is everyone so paranoid? The Geheime Staatspolizei went out with the Clinton era! Jack-booted Janet and her thugs are history! It's silly to be scared of something that's not going to hurt you, unless you're a criminal!

Try this link out for size!

Or this one!

If you didn't like them, maybe you'll like this one!

The Gestapo can only return with John Kerry! Let's make sure that John Kerry doesn't bring back the Gestapo!






[edit on 24/9/04 by Intelearthling]

awww jeeez....

MK-
Great research. Supremely depressing, but thanks.
Took me a while to *urp* digest it all, but now I'm all full up on TIA.

Starting to smell the coffee. We're screwed. Difficult situation to realize and live with.
It's just so hard to believe the only things left to do are shut up and hide. The only ones listening are the ones who'll take you out. I'm starting to feel like Dale Gribble.

Thanks for the info, tho.

Glad to contribute to your learning, although I do admit that I'm not pleased about the situation either! Part of the process in understanding the "structure" is looking at the fact that the entire system ensures that the "few" (i.e. politicians) are supported and sustained by the "many" (i.e. the populous).

In terms of shutting up and hiding-- the fear reaction is exactly what benefits this process. Nobody is going to be targetted as long as you are providing public sources for all information. There are bigger fish to fry- after all, we are in a "war on terror"!

In my view the only rational approach to surviving this scenario is to prepare yourself to the point where you are reasonably confident that you could be self-reliant for a certain period of time. Of course the "head for this hills!" mentality can be labelled as paranoid. And that's fine! The overall goal is to reduce your "we're screwed" anxiety by preparing. Have a plan.

In terms of the bigger picture, its funny how the definition of "terrorist" keeps changing, isn't it? I think this is just the start of a slippery slope. The definition just keeps on expanding. And now that the National Intelligence Director position is being created (along with the latest anti-terror bill mentioning national ID cards), I wouldn't be surprised if state militias soon fall under the latest extension of the "terrorist" definition.

The latest national intelligence bill, which has been passed includes the following provisions:

Friday, September 24, 2004 � Last updated 11:49 p.m. PT

House Intelligence Glance

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Provisions included in the House Republican bill addressing the Sept. 11 commission's recommendations on national security, intelligence and terrorism:

-Forces confirmation of the president's nominee to be intelligence director by the Senate in 30 days or the nominee would be automatically confirmed.

-Automatically makes the person serving as CIA director on the day the president signs the bill the new national intelligence director.

-Sets up a national counterterrorism center to coordination anti-terror efforts and a joint intelligence community council made up of the secretaries of state, treasury, homeland security, energy and defense, as well as the attorney general, to advise the national intelligence director.

-Allows law officers investigating suspected spies or terrorists to wiretap foreigners even if they cannot be linked to a government or terror organization.

-Requires fines and jail time for military or terror hoaxes.

-Prescribes jail time and fines for people who receive military-style training from terror groups or provide material or financial support for terrorists or terrorist groups.

-Expands the prohibition and penalties against using or participation in the use of chemical and nuclear weapons, including coverage of the U.S. mail system.

-Allows the Treasury Department to produce currency, postage stamps and other security documents for foreign governments.

-Allows the attorney general to set up a system for employers to check Justice Department information on prospective employees.

-Requires the Homeland Security Department to start testing a next-generation airline passenger prescreening system to match passenger name records to the automatic no-fly lists and to set up a system to allow people to appeal their placement on those lists.

-Requires the Homeland Security Department to give priority to developing, testing, improving and deploying technology at screening checkpoints at airports that would detect nonmetallic weapons and explosives being transported by individuals.

-Requires the FBI to establish an intelligence directorate to manage and direct intelligence operations by all FBI headquarters and field offices.

-Increases the number of border patrol agents and U.S. Customs agents.

-Sets minimum standards for driver's licenses that can be accepted by the federal government as identification.

-Requires states to link their driver's license databases.

-Requires increased security for birth certificates and sets up an electronic database where states can share and check birth and death certificates electronically.

-Removes from Senate confirmation positions considered to be national security appointments or that require immediate confirmation within 30 days of the president's nomination.

-Creation a national database of the granting, denial or revocation of security clearances.

The following link is likely to go sour:

seattlepi.nwsource.com...


Pretty interesting stuff eh? So it seems that Porter Goss is our new National Intelligence Director:

Goss is only the second congressman to lead the CIA, following former president and House member George H.W. Bush.

One Democrat who voted against Goss, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, said Friday that she voted against him because the United States has "seen too often in the last three and a half years in this administration the misuse and manipulation of intelligence, and we cannot afford that."

seattlepi.nwsource.com...


I concede that many of the provisions that Mr. Goss will be tasked to install will ultimately increase the security of the United States. Again though, this is a potential slippery slope.

Can anyone say P-A-R-A-N-O-I-A? Just why is everyone so paranoid? The Geheime Staatspolizei went out with the Clinton era! Jack-booted Janet and her thugs are history!

Did it go out with the Clinton era, or was it passed on to other individuals? How would you know?

It's silly to be scared of something that's not going to hurt you, unless you're a criminal!

I suppose the Japanese-Americans and Italian-Americans weren't psychologically traumatized by being held in US concentration camps? Were they found to be criminals? I suppose it was silly for them to be afraid?

MK

[edit on 26-9-2004 by MKULTRA]

Originally posted by MKULTRA
Can anyone say P-A-R-A-N-O-I-A? Just why is everyone so paranoid? The Geheime Staatspolizei went out with the Clinton era! Jack-booted Janet and her thugs are history!

Did it go out with the Clinton era, or was it passed on to other individuals? How would you know?

Were your rights trampled on? You cannot deny that the United States needs a Secret Service, FBI and ATF...etc.
It's when the people's rights are taken away when you become concerned.

It's silly to be scared of something that's not going to hurt you, unless you're a criminal!

I suppose the Japanese-Americans and Italian-Americans weren't psychologically traumatized by being held in US concentration camps? Were they found to be criminals? I suppose it was silly for them to be afraid?

You've got to be kidding me! I'll never regret the actions because it was done during A WAR!. The concentration camps that were set up by the United States government were not even in the same catagory as the concentration camps set up by the enemy. Grant you, they were not free to come and go as they chose, but they sure the hell weren't brutalized, tortured, put into gas chambers or what have you.

Yes, I know that the descendants of the Japanese, Italians, and the Germans served with great distinction during WWII. But you could not stop the general publics sentiments towards these Americans by other Americans and fight an effective war. We need to do the same thing now before someone is sorry for not having it done. Geheime Staatspolizei! What a bunch of crock!



[edit on 26/9/04 by Intelearthling]