The Devil's Chord: The conspiracy to open the portal of consciousness and mystery of the octave

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Thanks for your input!

I will elaborate at this point and share that where I got the concept from was Stewart Swerdlow, who claims to be a Montauk Project survivor (I believe him) and claims to have time-traveled himself.

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thats pretty cool and I've been really interested in project rainbow, etc since first hearing about it so I'll check that out... I don't really have a clue what I'm talking about with that previous post, nothing scientific or technical anyway... just toying with the ideas & concepts i've picked up along the way... still, I think i'm onto something. the idea about travelling outside the universe, might not be as much about physically moving your body in a ship beyond the limits of expanding energy that is the universe, but changing the way the energy you're made of buzz's and the relationship between that, and the time you're travelling through. I forgot that you can sit perfectly still and time will continue to pass... we're all still buzzing though... and the planets move... and everything really... seems we really can't have one without the other... hard to keep up with my own thoughts at the moment... I have no nicotine....

Peace,
-TF

Originally posted by ThoughtForms
I don't really have a clue what I'm talking about with that previous post, nothing scientific or technical anyway... just toying with the ideas & concepts i've picked up along the way...

I like hearing about individuals' ideas and concepts picked up along the way. I think sometimes formal science discovered by scientists is not enough. We need to also just brainstorm together to help fill in the pieces of the puzzle. And I think brainstorming should include intuition.

Originally posted by Mary Rose
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Thanks for your input!

I will elaborate at this point and share that where I got the concept from was Stewart Swerdlow, who claims to be a Montauk Project survivor (I believe him) and claims to have time-traveled himself.

I've seen some of his stuff. He's the guy that has witnessed all of our secret history by vibrating to precise frequencies? You believe in that?

Originally posted by Starchild23
He's the guy that has witnessed all of our secret history by vibrating to precise frequencies?

My understanding is that he is knowledgeable in alternative history because of what he was told by insiders, as opposed to witnessing it himself. There is only one instance of him doing time travel that I remember, and the story is so bizarre that it would probably take this thread off-topic if I were to post about it!!

Originally posted by Starchild23
You believe in that?

I'm thinking it might be true more from my intuition in judging Swerdlow's testimony than from my own thoughts about time travel. In fact, when I try to focus on the specifics of it, it almost gives me an anxiety attack I find it so mind boggling.

Another person I find credible is Andrew D. Basiago of Project Pegasus:

...the US has achieved “quantum access” to past and future events.

Interesting topic, I like it.

I've always been fascinated by acoustic vibrations.

1. I once read somewhere that the reason people see ghosts, spirits or what not is due to specific acoustic resonance that happens at a particular 18 degree angle bouncing off walls or something akin to that. Basically, they're saying that when a certain sound frequency is bounced off of walls at a certain degree, angle or whatnot, it produces a special type of result where human perception is distorted and you start to see things. I'm not sure if this is proven science but I just read or heard that from somewhere.

2. My family relatives actually took a tour to the Mayan temples. They came back and told me something very interesting. They said that amongst the various pyramid temples there, there was one that was dedicated to Quetzalcoatl, their God. And on the top chamber of that temple, I think if you just clap within the chamber, you can hear birds chirping or bird sounds coming from the front and then you can hear a snake rattling sounds coming towards the rear of the temple. Not sure what it was but I was told that the Mayan's specifically designed this chamber to resonate sound so that it supposedly simulates the sounds that the Serpent/Bird God makes.

3. I once read somewhere on ATS, a post by a member, discussing the various spells and incantations by the Druids I believe. And he/she mentioned something about the proper vocalization of these spells were lost to mankind, so therefore we have no idea how to properly invoke the spell if we don't know how to pronounce them properly. Which always led me to believe that there maybe some strange acoustic property of effects that humans have no yet completely understood.

I'm still reading through the 30 something pages worth of post but I hope this thread flourishes into an exciting research topic.

Originally posted by truthseeker84
Interesting topic, I like it.

I've always been fascinated by acoustic vibrations.

1. I once read somewhere that the reason people see ghosts, spirits or what not is due to specific acoustic resonance that happens at a particular 18 degree angle bouncing off walls or something akin to that. Basically, they're saying that when a certain sound frequency is bounced off of walls at a certain degree, angle or whatnot, it produces a special type of result where human perception is distorted and you start to see things. I'm not sure if this is proven science but I just read or heard that from somewhere.

2. My family relatives actually took a tour to the Mayan temples. They came back and told me something very interesting. They said that amongst the various pyramid temples there, there was one that was dedicated to Quetzalcoatl, their God. And on the top chamber of that temple, I think if you just clap within the chamber, you can hear birds chirping or bird sounds coming from the front and then you can hear a snake rattling sounds coming towards the rear of the temple. Not sure what it was but I was told that the Mayan's specifically designed this chamber to resonate sound so that it supposedly simulates the sounds that the Serpent/Bird God makes.

3. I once read somewhere on ATS, a post by a member, discussing the various spells and incantations by the Druids I believe. And he/she mentioned something about the proper vocalization of these spells were lost to mankind, so therefore we have no idea how to properly invoke the spell if we don't know how to pronounce them properly. Which always led me to believe that there maybe some strange acoustic property of effects that humans have no yet completely understood.

I'm still reading through the 30 something pages worth of post but I hope this thread flourishes into an exciting research topic.

Thanks for the comments. I've read that ghosts are associated with infrasound -- and also infrasound causes people to lose bowel control -- their intestines get flushed out. This actually makes sense on terms of Taoism because ghosts are considered more powerful for people with low energy -- they get possessed by ghosts -- and having low energy means having the electromagnetic consciousness stuck in the lower chakras.

In contrast if you increase your electromagnetic energy then you can see ghosts -- as I did during my intense training. So when you mention the angle of sound waves causing the ability to see ghosts this makes sense in the research I already mentioned in this thread -- that sound travels faster than light waves -- very commonly -- based on the angle it travels.

Also in quantum chaos synchronization it's known that a very small high overtone synchronization then resonates nonlinear to have a very strong amplitude subharmonic feedback. So I can cite the Russian physicist who reports this -- and it has to do with the use of magic words -- as you mentioned incantation. Yes certain words can have more power but that is only if associated with a high energy master -- so you can channel or call upon the energy of a master and that is how it works. Unfortunately Western ritual invocations for magic are lost arts -- because the whole body transformation is not practice to create the power behind the words -- and also there is just a reversal of Christian book prayers which are from the corrupt imperial church that conquered the pagans.

I also traveled to the Mayan pyramids in the Yucatan Peninsula when I was 14 years old -- and I experienced the acoustic resonance you refer to. I also bought a clay Mayan whistle or flute from outside one of the temples. I then used this Mayan instrument to compose a fugue with a Moog keyboard and I recorded it on a 4-trac -- but the lines were out of sync so the music decomposed itself as it went along. I called this piece "Troll Dance" since it gave the feeling of an underground cavern. the best book to read on Mayan shamanism in my opinion is Martin Pretchel's Secrets of the Talking Jaguars.

Originally posted by fulllotusqigong

Originally posted by truthseeker84
Interesting topic, I like it.

I've always been fascinated by acoustic vibrations.

1. I once read somewhere that the reason people see ghosts, spirits or what not is due to specific acoustic resonance that happens at a particular 18 degree angle bouncing off walls or something akin to that. Basically, they're saying that when a certain sound frequency is bounced off of walls at a certain degree, angle or whatnot, it produces a special type of result where human perception is distorted and you start to see things. I'm not sure if this is proven science but I just read or heard that from somewhere.

2. My family relatives actually took a tour to the Mayan temples. They came back and told me something very interesting. They said that amongst the various pyramid temples there, there was one that was dedicated to Quetzalcoatl, their God. And on the top chamber of that temple, I think if you just clap within the chamber, you can hear birds chirping or bird sounds coming from the front and then you can hear a snake rattling sounds coming towards the rear of the temple. Not sure what it was but I was told that the Mayan's specifically designed this chamber to resonate sound so that it supposedly simulates the sounds that the Serpent/Bird God makes.

3. I once read somewhere on ATS, a post by a member, discussing the various spells and incantations by the Druids I believe. And he/she mentioned something about the proper vocalization of these spells were lost to mankind, so therefore we have no idea how to properly invoke the spell if we don't know how to pronounce them properly. Which always led me to believe that there maybe some strange acoustic property of effects that humans have no yet completely understood.

I'm still reading through the 30 something pages worth of post but I hope this thread flourishes into an exciting research topic.

Thanks for the comments. I've read that ghosts are associated with infrasound -- and also infrasound causes people to lose bowel control -- their intestines get flushed out. This actually makes sense on terms of Taoism because ghosts are considered more powerful for people with low energy -- they get possessed by ghosts -- and having low energy means having the electromagnetic consciousness stuck in the lower chakras.

In contrast if you increase your electromagnetic energy then you can see ghosts -- as I did during my intense training. So when you mention the angle of sound waves causing the ability to see ghosts this makes sense in the research I already mentioned in this thread -- that sound travels faster than light waves -- very commonly -- based on the angle it travels.

Also in quantum chaos synchronization it's known that a very small high overtone synchronization then resonates nonlinear to have a very strong amplitude subharmonic feedback. So I can cite the Russian physicist who reports this -- and it has to do with the use of magic words -- as you mentioned incantation. Yes certain words can have more power but that is only if associated with a high energy master -- so you can channel or call upon the energy of a master and that is how it works. Unfortunately Western ritual invocations for magic are lost arts -- because the whole body transformation is not practice to create the power behind the words -- and also there is just a reversal of Christian book prayers which are from the corrupt imperial church that conquered the pagans.

I also traveled to the Mayan pyramids in the Yucatan Peninsula when I was 14 years old -- and I experienced the acoustic resonance you refer to. I also bought a clay Mayan whistle or flute from outside one of the temples. I then used this Mayan instrument to compose a fugue with a Moog keyboard and I recorded it on a 4-trac -- but the lines were out of sync so the music decomposed itself as it went along. I called this piece "Troll Dance" since it gave the feeling of an underground cavern. the best book to read on Mayan shamanism in my opinion is Martin Pretchel's Secrets of the Talking Jaguars.

Thanks for the well informed reply.

Very interesting, I should definitely read up more on Martin Pretchel.

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Here's some of my quotes from my reply to your comments -- for further details:

After reading Deadly Words: Witchcraft in Brocage France (Cambridge University Press, 1984) and also the book Synchronicity in Science and Technology (NY, 1988) by the Russian engineering professor I.I. Bleckhman, I became aware of detailed data about 1) the centrality of “naming” as a psychic wave-form (faster than light) signature – the Chaldni figure of physical power or the phase space of higher dimensional toroidal resonant collapse in chaos itinerancy. 2) that words in the head are frequencies with partials or harmonic overtones of a higher frequency that will reach the higher consciousness by bending spacetime. This is how mantras work. 3) Connecting with the Name of a living master enables almost instantaneous transmission of amplitude electromagnetic power.

The highly esteemed Russian mechanical engineering professor I.I. Blekhman, inventor of hundreds of licensed patents, offers a specific analysis as to how vibratory free energy works: Synchronization theory shows that…the sensitivity threshold should be considered differently. ...However weak the coupling between such objects, synchronization would occur if the difference between the partial frequencies of the objects is small enough…. Thus, with the partial frequencies sufficiently close, even an infinitesimally weak coupling might cause a qualitative change in the motion’s character, thus a corresponding weak signal can be perceived. If so, then there is no universal physiological threshold of sensitivity.264

264 I.I. Blekhman, Synchronization in Science and Technology, NY, 1988, p. 186

2012 refers to the irony that number itself is not equidistant – one plus one does not equal two. One is not a number and two is the female reflection of the source of one as female formless awareness. This is based on complementary opposites and is the original Mayan shamanic culture, as documented in the book Secrets of the Talking Jaguar (1999) by Martin Prechtel, a Native American Indian initiated into shamanism with the Tzutujil Indians of Santiago Atitlan, Guatemala. From this perspective there is an older matrifocal village shamanism whereas the pyramid ritual priests of the Mayan Empire are a later “solar dynasty” development, one obsessed with calendars, but lacking in the earlier shamanic training. This same solar ritual pyramid priest development against the older lunar matrifocal shamanic culture is found in the pre-Incan cultures, as is the focus of the academic book Moon, Sun and Witches: Gender Ideologies and Class in Inca and Colonial Peru by Irene Marsha Silverblatt (Princeton University Press, 1987).

Originally posted by ThoughtForms
if you put a "headline" somewhere near the video stating what it is then maybe I'll click on it, otherwise I'll perceive you as being lazy or deliberately obtrusive and ignore it.

Strange Noises Explained? Part 1: Frequency Analysis

That's the video link title -- just scroll up this thread and it's my reply to the question. So the video title is directly answering the question.

Again watch the video.

Originally posted by ThoughtForms
read the posts you reply to more carefully or lay off the crack. one of the two.

Again watch the Strange Noise video I posted that gives the frequency analysis.

So if you are either joking about me smoking crack or making a claim about me personally -- and ad hominem -- without any evidence.

Either way it's tragic-comedy.

Originally posted by ThoughtForms
and there you go, right there "garble garble ha ha" its all you seem to be able to do....

Again there is no "one" frequency -- rather the source of sound is based on complementary opposites -- "frequency" is a Western concept that tries to limit sound to a spatial length measurement.

How? the science acknowledges and relies on every physical parameter to determine the "spatial length measurement" of a sound wave:
-temperature,
-the forces of the planet,
-whether,
-etc.

Any of those things change and the length, pitch and frequencies of the sounds will change.

You can programme a keyboard to play a pure tone sine wave of 80hz. but when it comes out of the speakers it may be 86 or 75hz, or even full semi-tone's away from the original Hz due to humidity and temperature of the air particles themselves.

its nature= the universe + our biological bodies + our sentience that determines the length of a sound wave as perceived by a person, the science just recognises an already occurring event. and defines it to enable one person to describe it to others so all can understand..

You should know also that I have no idea what a "complementary opposite" is in the context of music and frequency. I'm pretty sure no one else on this thread has either.

Yep -- as I've stated -- science is a model -- science is our dominant mythology of the times. Science is no way represents "progress" -- it destroys as much as it creates.

Frequency is zero when time is infinite -- that is the Law of Phase Harmony -- and it means a superliminal "pilot wave" as consciousness and it can not be measured by science.

So natural sounds are not science. Science can try to measure this phenomenon but only after the fact and this reveals quantum entanglement. The tools used to measure quantum entanglement then cause the "collapse" of the wave function and so technology is inherently limited -- but Nature is not. Technology is also inherently limited by chaos mathematics -- which means that in the realm of chaos there is an unpredictable nonlinear amplification of slight frequency synchronizations. The frequencies creates a resonance and the subharmonics have greater amplitude. This process is unpredictable and so the frequency and amplitude also change.

Again sorry to burst anyone's fixation on "one" frequency -- but again frequency is a construct of science based on measuring the perception of sound by spatial distance. Time is not a spatial distance -- so the origin of the universe is not in space but in infinite time and zero frequency and this origin is consciousness -- superliminal.

Science can not unify relativity and quantum physics but quantum physics is the foundation for science -- not classical spatial measurement of time as amplitude and even frequency. This is why there is the Time-Frequency Uncertainty Principle in quantum physics.

Originally posted by ThoughtForms

So the lunar calendar and the solar calendar and the Earth -- this is actually chaotic -- so while it can be "averaged" by Western science in the long time it can not be predicted -- it goes into a singularity as infinity.

you don't provide conceptual evidence yet alone anything solid, nor do you de-jargon, these things need to change or I cannot understand.

Chaotic dynamics’ sensitivity to initial conditions poses a problem for those who try to take advantage of it. Minor effects that are often ignored in conventional trajectory design, such as solar wind and atmospheric models, must be taken into account when using chaotic dynamics or else the trajectory can quickly diverge. “This stuff gets—gee, annoying isn’t the word,” Folta said, “but after running many, many simulations, trying to come up with the right trajectory, it does become annoying.” To grapple with all those effects, Folta and his Goddard colleagues have developed models that take all those possible perturbations into account in trajectory analysis. “Our models are the best we can possibly get to at this point,” he said. Those models include high-precision gravitational models for the Earth and Moon, solar radiation pressure, and the solar wind. “It’s even to the point where the software includes relativistic effects.”

From chaos, a new order by Jeff Foust Monday, March 6, 2006

Specific solutions to the three-body problem result in chaotic motion with no obvious sign of a repetitious path. A major study of the Earth-Moon-Sun system was undertaken by Charles-Eugène Delaunay, who published two volumes on the topic, each of 900 pages in length, in 1860 and 1867. Among many other accomplishments, the work already hints at chaos, and clearly demonstrates the problem of so-called "small denominators" in perturbation theory. The restricted three-body problem assumes that the mass of one of the bodies is negligible; the circular restricted three-body problem is the special case in which two of the bodies are in circular orbits (approximated by the Sun-Earth-Moon system and many others). For a discussion of the case where the negligible body is a satellite of the body of lesser mass, see Hill sphere; for binary systems, see Roche lobe; for another stable system, see Lagrangian point. The restricted problem (both circular and elliptical) was worked on extensively by many famous mathematicians and physicists, notably Lagrange in the 18th century and Poincaré at the end of the 19th century. Poincaré's work on the restricted three-body problem was the foundation of deterministic chaos theory.

Chaos of the Sun-Moon Earth

What the mainstream appears to have overlooked: 1. Solar cycle phase modulates equator-pole pumping variations annually & regionally. 2. The changing frequency of differential modulation controls multidecadal oscillations. This occurs naturally.

Shifting Sun-Earth-Moon Harmonies, Beats, & Biases Paul L. Vaughan, M.Sc. – October 2011

Even the seemingly simple case of the three-body Sun-Earth-Moon system eludes an analytical solution (see Physics Today, January 2010, page 27). Obtaining accurate results for Earth's motion requires numerical calculations that include not only the Sun, Moon, and other planets but also the larger asteroids such as Ceres (now considered a dwarf planet), whose mass is 1/6000 of Earth's, and Vesta, pictured here, less massive still by a factor of 4. Long-term knowledge of Earth's position is useful for paleoclimate studies, since the changes in incident sunlight allow calibration of geological records (see Physics Today, December 2002, page 32). In 2004 Jacques Laskar and colleagues at the Paris Observatory calculated Earth's position back 40 million years, allowing calibration of the Neogene period, which began 23 Myr ago. But Earth's orbit is chaotic, with uncertainties increasing by an order of magnitude every 10 Myr, and it was not known how far the numerical solutions could be extended and still be valid. Laskar and coworkers have now established that the limit is 60 Myr. The researchers found that the motions of the five large asteroids they included were much more chaotic than previously thought. Furthermore, the effects of close encounters between asteroids—particularly Ceres and Vesta—on planetary motion are the limiting factor for establishing a longer-term history of Earth's orbit. (J. Laskar et al., Astron. Astrophys. 532, L4, 2011; Dawn image of Vesta by NASA/JPL-Caltech/UCLA/MPS/DLR/IDA.)—Richard J. Fitzgerald

Physics Update The chaotic orbits of asteroids and Earth To properly extrapolate the past and future positions of Earth, one has to include not just the Sun, Moon, and other planets, but also asteroids. Still, such calculations can only go so far.

reply to post by fulllotusqigong


yeah that's fair enough, I was referring to previous instances but its obvious you've changed that so its was wrong on my part to criticise.

-TF

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more a jok-ish speculation based on your percieved 'ha ha' attitude that I thought I was seeing there, your stuff reads like a really really well educated man who types lengthly stuff that makes perfect sense, then garbled stuff that makes very little sense, in intervals. Maybe if we study the intervals of your posts we can find the secrets to quantum drug abuse.... maybe not. But I feel its still a valid and comical observation despite how tragic that may seem. Good fun I would say.

-TF

Originally posted by fulllotusqigong
quantum physics is the foundation for science -- not classical spatial measurement of time as amplitude and even frequency.

Makes me think of Paul LaViolette's subquantum kinetics:

Instead of beginning with physical observations, subquantum kinetics begins by postulating a set of well-ordered reaction processes that are proposed to take place at the subquantum level. Collectively, these reaction processes compose what is termed the transmuting ether, an active substrate that is quite different from the passive mechanical ethers considered in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. It further proposes that the concentrations of the substrates composing this ether are the energy potential fields that form the basis of all matter and energy in our universe. The operation of these ether reactions causes wave-like field gradients (spatial concentration patterns) to emerge and form the observable quantum level structures and physical phenomena (e.g., subatomic particles with mass, charge, spin, and force field effects and electromagnetic waves).

Originally posted by fulllotusqigong
Yep -- as I've stated -- science is a model -- science is our dominant mythology of the times. Science is no way represents "progress" -- it destroys as much as it creates.

sure, valid. I can dig it.

Frequency is zero when time is infinite

STOP! hammer time....
how is this so. If the clock on your wall ticks forever, then time is infinate. However its is still comprised of smaller 'chunks'. the number of times an energy wave fluctuates, 'spins', 'spirals', or shifts polarity

Originally posted by Mary Rose

Originally posted by fulllotusqigong
quantum physics is the foundation for science -- not classical spatial measurement of time as amplitude and even frequency.

Makes me think of Paul LaViolette's subquantum kinetics:

Exactly -- the secret propulsion systems that LaViolette argues exist are indeed real because I personally saw a big black equilateral triangle up close -- it flew over the north end of our yard in 1997 -- no fuselage, making a humming noise -- just over the trees. I could have hit it with a rock -- it moved so slowly yet was not a blimp.

So then I checked the MN MUFON database and the big black equilateral triangle was seen in my area several times during the same years -- and one time nearby the craft was seen to take off so fast that it was like disappearing.

So this technology goes back to John Keely and Tesla:

Also John Worrell Keely developed higher dimensional harmonic resonance technology based on the 3:4:5 triangle. Keely's harmonic resonance findings that demonstrated levitation, disintegration, energy generation, etc., funded by the richest man in the U.S. at that time, John Jacob Astor II, were concealed apparently by the Freemasonic Skull and Bones society according to Free Energy Pioneer: John Worrell Keely by Theo Paijmans (p. 268). The Bush Dynasty Nazi investors are also members of the Skull and Bones Society. The Platonic music harmonic 3:4:5 triangle (perfect fourth/major third) is the basis of the logarithmic music spiral that will be used to create the Matrix.

What John Keely did was resonate sound into ultrasound which then separated water as sonofusion energy -- and this is alchemical transmutations with amazing force.

The book Triangle of Thoughts (2000) by top French quantum chaos mathematicians Alain Connes, Andrew Lichnerowicz and Marcel Paul Schutzenberger (M.P.S.) ends with a promotion of music theory as the secret key to solving humanity’s problems. The argument by Alain Connes is that music transmitted aurally is currently in the same stage as when people read out loud — as they did until the 12th Century A.D. Connes states people could, as conductor Solti did, read music scores and hear multiple texts in their head “that is inscribed in a time that would no longer be sequential, because a score is a multitude of chords, a tangle projected onto physical time of course, but that manifestly evolves in an higher dimensional space, giving rise to a variability much more pertinent to the description of individual time.”406

More from Alain Connes:

And it could be formalized by music….I think we might succeed in this way to educate the human mind to deal with polyphonic situations in which several voices coexist, in which several states coexist, whereas our ordinary logic allows room for only one. Finally, we come back to the problem of adaptation, which has to be resolved in order for us to understand quantum correlation and interrelation which we discussed earlier, and which are fundamentally schizoid in nature. It is clear that logic will evolve in parallel with the development of quantum computers, just as it evolved with computer science. That will no doubt enable us to cross new borders and to better integrate the mathematical formalism of the quantum world into our metaphysical system.

Edwin L. Thomas, head of MIT's Department of Materials Science and Engineering and the Morris Cohen Professor of Materials Science and Engineering, was a co-author of a new paper, published on March 10 in the journal Nano Letters, that describes this creation of phononic crystals in the hypersonic range (that is, above the frequency range of sound, and thus can be considered in the range of heat). Phonons may sometimes be thought of as particles, and sometimes as vibrational waves, analogous to the dual wave and particle nature of light. Physically, the phonons are manifested as a wave of density variation passing through a material, like the wave of compression that travels along a child's Slinky toy when you stretch it out and give one end a shove. ... Among other things, this could lead to highly efficient ways of scavenging heat that is now wasted, in everything from computers and cell phones to cars and power plants, in order to produce electricity. This latest research, funded by the National Science Foundation and its German equivalent, DFG, is still at the level of simple tricks, he says: “It's a step on the path.”.... The best way to understand the enormous potential of devices that control phonons is by comparing them to devices that concontrol electrons and photons, says
Thomas.

Originally posted by Mary Rose

Makes me think of Paul LaViolette's subquantum kinetics:

The paranormal ufo researcher Nick Redfern has the documents on early post WWII sightings of these big black triangles: The earliest report which we were able to uncover dated from September 1952 and concerned the sighting of triangular-shaped UFOs seen during a NATO exercise called ‘Mainbrace’. Significantly, UFOs were witnessed by military personnel reported throughout Mainbrace, including a now-famous encounter reported by half a dozen Royal Air Force personnel stationed at RAF Topcliffe in Yorkshire who saw a circular shaped UFO operating near the airfield.423

423 Personal communication with Nick Redfern, 2006 email.

The said extra forces are: “A repulsive anti-gravity similar to the dark energy that appears to be causing the universe's expansion to accelerate;” and a second resulting from the “interaction of Heim's fifth and sixth dimensions and the extra dimensions that Dröscher introduced”. Crucially, it “produces pairs of 'gravitophotons' - particles that mediate the interconversion of electromagnetic and gravitational energy.”426

426 Lester Haines, “Scientists moot gravity-busting hyperdrive, Mars in three hours – theoretically,” The
Register, January 6, 2006.

Originally posted by fulllotusqigong
The tools used to measure quantum entanglement then cause the "collapse" of the wave function and so technology is inherently limited

right, the observer creates the outcome, its a stupid impossible to prove theory. Its a scientific attempt to explain Magick, and I believe the realms work together and relate, but are not the same thing.

-- but Nature is not.

nature and science are different things.
Nature is the "Thing"
science is the "measurer"
how can you say that you can analyse a potato with science,
but it will be more limited then analysing the potato with another potato.

Technology is also inherently limited by chaos mathematics -- which means that in the realm of chaos there is an unpredictable non-linear amplification of slight frequency synchronisations. The frequencies creates a resonance and the sub harmonics have greater amplitude. This process is unpredictable and so the frequency and amplitude also change.

okay, well what you are calling chaos maths in the chaos realm at a quantum level that deals with all energy in general, I call weather and the elements of this planet on a 'specific energy' 'human realm' level.

You keep jumping from the lego land of building blocks and quantum happenings, and relating that to music and qi gong. but the time-scale is different. the transfer rates are different. You cannot instantaneously think something into existence. it takes time and may not happen at all. on EVERY level the observer is many, your will not surpass others and probably wont. What applies to the smaller scale may not apply to the larger scale, and really, it bears very little influence on the larger scale as imposed by an individual.

individually our consciousness is pretty limited. we can 'pray' for things and use our intent and sometimes get results. then you have that .5% of the populous who can do incredible things with it.

So I'm guessing you're saying we could do more with our consciousness if we 'knocked down the walls' of our western musical tuning systems and adopted the eastern methods that are closer to the true nature of the universe so that we may 'expand' our consciousness, or 'heal' our damaged limited selves, to expand to what we're meant to be.. or whatever. If that's your concept then I get it, but I think your details are a mess. And everything I just said relies on a quantum physics theory to be accurate, and as we've discussed, it cannot be proven by science, meaning its not even a scientific theory, it may as well be an evangelistic sermon.

Time is not a spatial distance -- so the origin of the universe is not in space but in infinite time and zero frequency

how can space emerge from time existing independent of it especially if they are not the same thing as you propose. it makes no sense, there is no way no how to move through space without time whilst still occupying space.

and this origin is consciousness -- superliminal.

time without space=consciousness you are saying?. Thoughts take time to think them, no time, no thoughts. but we don't know where thoughts are, what they exist "within" yet we know they can be transferred in a non-physical way directly from the mind of one creature to the other if the same species - hence 100 monkeys experiment. Therefore thoughts exist beyond and in more ways then just time. There is more to this picture then you are looking at.

Science can not unify relativity and quantum physics but quantum physics is the foundation for science -- not classical spatial measurement of time as amplitude and even frequency.

frequency is not wrong drew you are. look at the scillia mechanism. Our biological system for receiving SPECIFICALLY kinetic energy in the form of SOUND, is divided into chunks of frequency. Frequency is just a word drew, the concept is not incorrect. the pressure changes in the force of the air particles moving past/through them (scillia hairs) just like the stalks in a wheat field.

Its not all spatial its also density and resistance just like electricity. Because inside our ears we have many on these 'wheat fields' each one 'hearing' a different chunk of the audible bandwidth, which is "20 vibrations of the eardrum a second up to 20,000 vibrations of the eardrum per second" our biology doesn't change just because you babble quantum gibberish. Every frequency is kinetic force at a different amplitude created by the momentum of its spin. The scillia stalks are different thicknesses, carrying different densities, so when the kinetic force of 'sound' travelling through the air particles in our ear move past them, if the 'force' isn't 'strong enough' then scillia won't move, each is tuned this way to only detect the specific frequency its tuned too. What you state our technology is limited to, are exactly the same limitations our human biology has.

ETA:missing words - flight of thoughts again, strange wiring lately... & grammar

-TF