12,000 Years Old Unexplained Structure

reply to post by MathiasAndrew


It is possible - there are differing theories and differing evidence regarding the Sphinx. However, much of the dating of the Sphinx to around 10 to 12'000 years ago is based on water based erosion around the Sphinx itself. Unfortunately for proponents of this theory, geologists have determined that the erosion around it is actually far more likely to be caused by wind and sand erosion rather than water based erosion - and that is from specialists in that field of science.

However, supposing it is eventually proved to be from around that date. Without further finds and evidence, all that would prove was that humans were better at carving big structures earlier than we thought.

Don't get me wrong, i love wild theories as much as anyone else on here. I usually try and see if there is any actual evidence though, rather than claims by people who aren't really experts - and that isn't a dig at anyone on here! More, i mean when we get say a Biologist who claims to have discovered a lost civilization or tomb or whatever - they mean well but do not really understand what they are looking at. When these ideas are then digested and analyzed, they usually crumble due to lack of evidence. So far, this is the case with evidence for the age of the Sphinx but it is not to say that in, for example, 10 years we may discover something that completely changes our understanding.

Science is only fact until we develop new techniques to further test those "facts" and discover whether we were indeed correct or not. At present, no evidence for Sphinx being that old. In future, who knows?

Originally posted by undo

during the reign of Khufu

reply to post by Flavian

 

have any evidence for that claim?
just curious.

Really? Apart from Heiroglyphs, etc? Try the Egyptian Tourist Board - they will happily tell you all about it!

The video was entertaining, but left out some key info... Maybe they said it and I missed it... but how did they come to the conclusion that the site is 12,000 yrs old? What proof are they presenting for validating its age?

ETA: Oh yes... I see the raging debate concerning its alleged age, back a page or two.... good stuff.

Originally posted by undo
original entry
en.wikipedia.org...
new entry
en.wikipedia.org...

Internet movie database
www.imdb.com...

Roland Emmerich and Dean Devlin were sued for stealing the storyline from a student of Egyptology named Omar Zuhdi who submitted the story to them about ten years before the movie was made (they "rejected" the story at the time). Zuhdi even had a well-respected Egyptologist from Johns Hopkins University vouch for him, since he put his own theories into the story. The only differences between the story and the movie are slight name variations. The issue was finally settled out of court.

If you dig in to the "history" part of that page, you can find out why it was removed and remains missing from the article.

Harte

reply to post by Flavian


if your name is not "the egyptian tourist board" then i don't want to know what "the egyptian tourist board" says. i want to know what that you who calls himself flavian says. have you collected any evidence and if so, could you provide it here? it's okay to quote from the egyptian tourist board, just so's ya know. i like references. but i want your take on the info.

reply to post by Harte


that's not the argument, although that's a legit reason to remove it, it isn't the issue, because we have no way of knowing that they couldn't find the source. the sources have been on natural geographic, the internet movie archive, and several other places. are they suggesting people were just quoting the wiki entry? you know omar zudhi, the egyptologist who wrote the screenplay, is a real egyptologist? he has many papers he's written, such as:

manetho

the south wing of seti I's temple at abydos!

ramses and the battle at kadesh

when were the mythological papyri composed

megiddo the capture of a thousand towns

a tale of two ahmoses or how began an empire

pharaohs

imperial twilight, end of the egyptian new kingdom

dating the exodus: a study in ancient egyptian chronology

a homeric perspective on merenptah's libyan war

now i suppose it could be said that somebody just used his name to make the entry seem credible, but why use omar? why not say, tim or greg or some famous egyptologist or other not so famous egyptologist, afterall, he was at john hopkins university in the egyptology department, when he wrote it and that's not exactly a hot spot for people named omar zudhi.

the legal document
Omar Zudhi vs. Dean Devlin (Metro Goldwyn Mayer)
www.legalmetric.com...

no evidence there that they settled out of court, unless i'm misreading it, but can't think of any reason he would dismiss his own case and each side willingly paid their own legal fees.

you know omar zudhi, the egyptologist who wrote the screenplay

.....and why is this so important? You do know scientists can write fiction along with everyone else or do you believe he was spilling deep dark secrets?

Originally posted by undo

edit on 8-2-2012 by undo because: (no reason given)

Reuse of stone is possible but no evidence of that has shown up, so it remains only a possibility

I'm glad someone mentioned "Forbidden Archeology" by Michael Cremo. Joseph P Farrell mentions the book and the info in it is mindblowing. Think "Book of the Damned" but with more up-to-date science. Homo sapiens sapiens are not tens of thousands of years old, or hundreds of thousands of years old -- try on millions of years old. Evidence buried in geological strata -- ignored & denied by mainstream scientists.

Yes but Cremo evidence isn't evidence it is Hindu fundamentalism given a very very thin layer of westernization

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by undo

edit on 8-2-2012 by undo because: (no reason given)

Reuse is possible but no evidence of that has shown up, so it remains only a possibility

wouldn't they ask the court to make him pay their court fees if he had falsely sued them? Doesn't sound like
normal hollywood procedure to let that kind of thing slide.

Originally posted by Hanslune

you know omar zudhi, the egyptologist who wrote the screenplay

.....and why is this so important? You do know scientists can write fiction along with everyone else or do you believe he was spilling deep dark secrets?

edit on 9/2/12 by Hanslune because: (no reason given)

according to the original write up on it, the other professor at john hopkins supposedly vouched for him in the court case because he had put his theories in it. not sure if that meant the egyptology student put his theories in as well, but the way it's actually worded sounds like some of his theories were in there as well and so he vouched for the screenplay writer. what i'm trying to do now is determine if omar was the older professor of egyptology (which omar was indeed a professor of egyptology at john hopkins) or the younger egyptologist because the info on omar i've found says he's 60 years old, that would've made him late 40s to 50s in age, during the court case. seems like he would be the older professor and the screenplay writer is the younger, and that omar put his own theories in the screenplay but i can't prove that. it's just the way the original entry sounded. so the actual screenplay writer's name would still be a mystery

omar was the one who did take it to court. that may be what the article meant by "vouched for" cause i didn't see mention of any evidence being submitted as omar's witness or what not, in the paperwork on the court case. maybe someone else can look it over and see if they can find it. i'd like to know who the other egyptologist was in the case, it might provide a more accurate description of what actually happened and who wrote what and who's theories were in it originally. .

also seems like a member of omar's family (bill zuhdi) was his lawyer in the case. so maybe he told the egyptology student who wrote the screenplay that he would have his own brother or whatever, take the case. would be nice to have more information on it

reply to post by undo


Okay Undo and besides being a nice piece of television/movie creation trivia - why is this sci-fi story germane to Ancient and lost civilizations?

Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by undo

 

Okay Undo and besides being a nice piece of television/movie creation trivia - why is this sci-fi story germane to Ancient and lost civilizations?

cause a noted egyptologist from john hopkins university vouched for and potentially added his own theories to a screenplay about stargates in ancient egypt. i think that just about covers it. that's not a very nice question you asked. it just smacks of smugness. i've put alot of effort into being a thorough as i can, and you're just pulling the same old rabbit out of your hat. might as well be talking to the wall.

Originally posted by undo

cause a noted egyptologist from john hopkins university vouched for and potentially added his own theories to a screenplay about stargates in ancient egypt. i think that just about covers it.

So its absolutely impossible that the gentleman in question was confirming that the other dude wrote the screen play. Why would the 'realness' of the screen play be part of the legal question about who wrote it and if it was incorporated into a movie?

that's not a very nice question you asked. it just smacks of smugness. i've put alot of effort into being a thorough as i can, and you're just pulling the same old rabbit out of your hat. might as well be talking to the wall.

Its a very necessary question to ask because the weakness of your idea is based on your mistaken interpretation of this 'event'.

I can assure you my name is not wall, lol. Please tell us what evidence you have that persons x and y put evidence into a movie script that somehow tells us something about AE and Gobelki Tepe?

reply to post by Hanslune


either way, it's two egyptologists involved, one of whom wrote a screenplay and put his theories in it. that means he or they, theorizes that there were stargates in ancient egypt. this is related to information about the ancient past, since such technology would change how we view the events at gobekli as well.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Hanslune

 

either way, it's two egyptologists involved, one of whom wrote a screenplay and put his theories in it. that means he or they, theorizes that there were stargates in ancient egypt. this is related to information about the ancient past, since such technology would change how we view the events at gobekli as well.

Ah no, they wrote a background that involved ancient Egypt then put a sci-fi element into. Just like the author of Harry Potter used a back ground of modern UK as a basis for their world then put a fantasy element into it......

Do you have an actual copy of what their screen play said?

I have written content for computer games and did one on Japan. It was for the period 1560-1610 and I used the historical material then pulled in myths from all over Asia and placed them into it. Since I was once an archaeologists does that mean the many fabulous myths, monsters and event I put in were for real?

Hmmmm?

reply to post by Hanslune


cool, but whats theoretical about a screenplay in involving stargates in ancient egypt, if not stargates?
for example, it says in one of the blurbs, that it was nearly identical to the original, with the exception of some nae changes. sounds about right.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Flavian

 

if your name is not "the egyptian tourist board" then i don't want to know what "the egyptian tourist board" says. i want to know what that you who calls himself flavian says. have you collected any evidence and if so, could you provide it here? it's okay to quote from the egyptian tourist board, just so's ya know. i like references. but i want your take on the info.

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I see you have since edited your post but you were whinging about Hans being personal? And what is this, if not personal?

However, if you want further info about the pyramids, seeing as how you mentioned National Geographic earlier, how about this?

www.nationalgeographic.com...

Or do you simply wish for a bibliography of sources for experts in the field?

reply to post by Flavian

And as to humans 10 million years ago? That is millions of years longer than the species has been around......

Hard to wrap your brain around isn't it?

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Harte

 

that's not the argument, although that's a legit reason to remove it, it isn't the issue, because we have no way of knowing that they couldn't find the source. the sources have been on natural geographic, the internet movie archive, and several other places. are they suggesting people were just quoting the wiki entry? you know omar zudhi, the egyptologist who wrote the screenplay, is a real egyptologist?

Sorry, it was just a suggestion, I haven't looked into why it was removed.

Regarding Omar Zudhi, so what?

You are, I would think, aware that Isaac Azimov was a college professor? Chemistry, IIRC. He wrote "Foundation."

Does that prove that there is a secret field of science - Psychohistory - that predicts and manipulates events far into the future?

Don't think so.

Harte