Bill Gates Backs Climate Scientists Lobbying For Large-Scale Geoengineering

Originally posted by Phage

SRM won't work? Why not?

SRM can not reverse the harmful effects (questionable as that assumption is)
of Greenhouse Gas Emissions.

We covered that already. SRM can however add harmful Sulfate Aerosols
into the air we breathe, not to mention if these mad scientists proceed with
nano Aluminum and Barium particulate!

Originally posted by intrptr
Seems the concern is atmospheric degradation due to emissions from humans? I got an idea. Reverse the process. The idea came to me from OP's name. Burn the plains, trains, automobiles and make it a capital offense to cut down a tree or dig up coal and oil.

Completely ludicrous, right? So is spraying more] chemicals into the already tortured biosphere. Are we collectively nuts or just insane with the need to continue destroying our air? Were going to need that you know....

Yes, that's the solution! We need the iron fist of socialism!

99% of us should be forced to live like the Amish.

The elitist 1% drive around in their stretch limos to view the peasants once a month.

Then they can fly to Maui in their Gulfstream 650.

There! Finally, the earth is saved! We did it!

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by intrptr

 

Actually, most of the studies point out that reducing or capturing CO2 emissions would be a better idea than SRM. But see, that's a plot too.

If its a better idea, and they know that why then do they proceed to propose use
of Sulfate Aerosols?

reply to post by Phage

...reducing or capturing CO2 emissions would be a better idea than SRM.

Oh yah, make everyone plant trees all day long, too.
Whats SRM, please?

reply to post by burntheships

Because there is a lot of resistance to CO2 reduction and any effort in that direction may prove to be too little too late.

reply to post by intrptr

Solar radiation managment.
Reducing the warming effects of sunlight through various proposed means.

reply to post by Phage


It sure seems these men are putting a lot of weight on the "may" scenarios.

It "may" happen. If we dont this "may" be the result. "may" "may".

Not to mention that much of the basis they used for these "mays" has been
proven to contain manipulated data, yes...remember Climate Gate?

Really, what's to discuss? Our opinions don't matter! Our wants, needs, and desires don't matter. WE don't matter. So, why do we try to rationalize, like our thoughts mean something. Pah-lease! We are nothing more than SLAVES to "them". If we die, during one of their science projects....who cares? We'll be nothing more than casualties of war, to "them". These people cry blood. The more blood they spill, the more their master, Satan, temporarily gives to "them".

To the elite of the world: ENJOY these "earthly riches", while they last. When your day comes to an end, you'll be buried 6 feet underground.....right next to me. Our bodies will decompose together, and YOUR "riches", will get USED by someone else. So, in essence, you also....oh, "elite" ones, are nothing more than SLAVES, just like the rest of us!!! Now, i'd like to say: "See you in hell"....but that spot is reserved, for those that have accumulated 'earthly riches', by any means necessary; without mercy! Enjoy the trip! Payback is a BI-ATCH!!! And God, WILL REPAY for your mockery, of HIM!!!

Oh, pfft...forgot....let me also say, to the "elite" (:lol God WILL forgive you of your UNRIGHTEOUS, EVIL ways...all you have to do is REPENT - change your mind! All this knowledge and information, you possess...should be used to HELP our species, not enhance your lifestyles!!! Make a REAL NAME for yourselves, and DO SOMETHING GOOD!!!!!!! Geesh!

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by intrptr

 

Solar radiation managment.
Reducing the warming effects of sunlight through various proposed means.

Thank you Phage, duh.
Aren't we doing that already with jet exhaust? Somewhere on here it has been discussed repeatedly that all the airliners reduce the suns overall light carried to the surface of the earth by some major percentage?

I know the cleanest day on earth in memory was the day after 911 when all the planes were grounded. It was beautiful.

reply to post by Eurisko2012

99% of us should be forced to live like the Amish.

Thats why it will never happen by choice.
People who refuse to curtail their requirements to drive to the apple store and buy the newest thingy (i'm one of them).Where are the real overlords? Your avatar says they are here but why would they allow us to crap our diapers, so to speak, without changing them?

Ahhh, the non interference directive. Guess we have to live in our filth then... typing away while our butts burn and itch.

Originally posted by Essan


3) Neither in this study, nor anywhere else, is there any evidence that any such spraying would be visible from the ground, other than perhaps as a faint haze, most noticeable at sunrise or sunset, similar to stratropheric volcanic dust clouds - as I have again pointed out before (and been ignored every time).

So, lets just pretend that there have been no operations carried out to date, and your
statement above is true. That in no way would negate the harmful effects of H2S04
in the air we breathe.

If you take my advice, stop worrying about imaginary chemtrails and start worrying about the law of unintended consequences - it almost always comes back to bite us. And often very hard.

Yes, unintended consequences - but not Climate Change - rather the Termination Problem!

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by intrptr
Seems the concern is atmospheric degradation due to emissions from humans? I got an idea. Reverse the process. The idea came to me from OP's name. Burn the plains, trains, automobiles and make it a capital offense to cut down a tree or dig up coal and oil.

Completely ludicrous, right? So is spraying more] chemicals into the already tortured biosphere. Are we collectively nuts or just insane with the need to continue destroying our air? Were going to need that you know....

Yes, that's the solution! We need the iron fist of socialism!

99% of us should be forced to live like the Amish.

The elitist 1% drive around in their stretch limos to view the peasants once a month.

Then they can fly to Maui in their Gulfstream 650.

There! Finally, the earth is saved! We did it!

That's what Al Gore and James Cameron want.

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by intrptr

There has been quite a bit of study on the effects of contrails on solar radiation. There does not seem to be a strong consensus but the information tends to lead toward a net warming effect. While the amount of sunlight reaching the surface is reduced somewhat, the radiation of heat at night is reduced more. The heat is trapped.

reply to post by Essan


Well then lets set the record straight shall we?

While we do not have a smoking gun yet to prove that that mitigation is underway,
this one report does indeed state that experiments have taken place.

Most studies of geoengineering focus on the release of SO2
or H2S gas into the stratosphere where over time (~1 month), they are converted to
condensable H2SO4. Recent work by Pierce et al has shown that directly emitting
H2SO4 allows better control of particle size 6 and therefore more effective reflection of
incoming flux.

people.ucalgary.ca...

Originally posted by burntheships

Originally posted by McGinty


Check out the first 4 minutes of this film - as poor a sequel as this was to a great movie it could end up being quite prophetic:

www.youtube.com...

Thanks, evening's movie now chosen!

Prophetic indeed, that gives me the creeps. With all of the money in the world, I wonder
how they really think they have a chance though, lets see..

Man vs The Sun -

Man vs Shifting Poles

Man vs Global Cooling (Ice Age)

Yep, man is toast.

I would rather die in a catastrophe than breathe that garbage, its not going to work anyways!

edit on 7-2-2012 by burntheships because: (no reason given)

Glad i could help with you're evening's entertainment

No, i don't think we're near the level of successfully and stably controlling climate. It seems to work under chaos principles similar to the stock market and i think we're currently proving beyond doubt that that's beyond our understanding. Throw the mysteries of quantum mechanics into the mix (since we can't prove it doesn't butterfly into the macro weather system) and we have a disaster movie ready for greenlight.

No, we can't do it yet, but we can sure as hell make things worse in our attempts.

reply to post by burntheships


replace the 2 gases with gold and you guys are reading like a Stitchin Book, thought I would say it

OK, this thread has my mind in a battle. I've read all the links that are posted about real geoengineering programs being proposed and many of them come from universities. I'm a die hard skeptic of "chemtrails". IMO, the only way enough aerosol particles could be deployed into the stratosphere for SRM would be by adding them to commercial jet fuel. If the military had a secret group of planes to do this, it would be easy to spot. Plus, it would require thousands of planes. IF geoengineering through the use of aerosol particles is actually happening, it would have to involve commercial aircraft through jet fuel.

Does anyone have ANY credible information that there's a secret program for adding anything to jet fuel to create spreading cirrus clouds?

It is a fact that many universities and organizations have documents discussing geoengineering through the use of aerosol particles dumped in the upper atmosphere, through a variety of delivery mechanisms. However, implementing a secret program for delivering metallic nano particles into the atmosphere is where my skepticism lies.

Originally posted by Phage

Because there is a lot of resistance to CO2 reduction and any effort in that direction may prove to be too little too late.

Too little too late hogwash... The only "too little too late" is the fact that the AGW scientists have been shown to be quacks on several occasions yet those in power want to continue these quacks' experiements because sequestering atmospheric CO2 will cause global starvation...

We know you don't give a rat's behind what happens to people who you apparently see below you, but other people do care, not to mention the fact that EVERYONE will be affected by these quacker's experiments...

reply to post by McGinty


We could always hope for a market crash, I dont know if that would stop em or not!



Thing is, even the "best" (worst) of the bunch of em, I am referring to Pierce, and Keith
have already set it out that the potential repercussions of genoengineering are very risky
(not even including the air poison)


Potential Repercussions Of Genoengineering

Warmer tropopause
Moister stratosphere
Changed dynamics
More ozone loss

1/3 of ozone loss caused by
radiative effects
faster chemistry, more HOx

2/3 of ozone loss caused by
enhanced heterogeneous
chemistry

Ozone loss due to geoengineering
could be of same magnitude as CFCScenario

Especially in the tropical
aerosol reservoir and in the
polar region strong ozone
loss to be anticipated

And the fix for that?

Controlling particle size!

• Spread sulfur injection spatially:
30°S-30°N, 20-25 km

• Emit a condensable sulfur gas (eg. H2SO4) from
an aircraft nozzle

• Less mass to lift to the stratosphere

• Less sedimentation to tropical tropopause 
less heating, smaller H2O perturbation

• Ozone perturbations not improved (large SAD)

gmi.gsfc.nasa.gov...

Yep, were doomed if they do this!

Originally posted by AGWskeptic

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by intrptr
Seems the concern is atmospheric degradation due to emissions from humans? I got an idea. Reverse the process. The idea came to me from OP's name. Burn the plains, trains, automobiles and make it a capital offense to cut down a tree or dig up coal and oil.

Completely ludicrous, right? So is spraying more] chemicals into the already tortured biosphere. Are we collectively nuts or just insane with the need to continue destroying our air? Were going to need that you know....

Yes, that's the solution! We need the iron fist of socialism!

99% of us should be forced to live like the Amish.

The elitist 1% drive around in their stretch limos to view the peasants once a month.

Then they can fly to Maui in their Gulfstream 650.

There! Finally, the earth is saved! We did it!

That's what Al Gore and James Cameron want.

www.youtube.com...

AL Gore is in total denial of the effects our sun is having on the Earth.

Since they can't control / regulate the sun then just ignore it.

Of course, Al Gore has the perfect excuse when his BS blows up in his face.

- Well, i'm just a politician. I guess i was given bad information. OOPS! -

Al Gore will then have to give away his ill-gotten gains.$$$