Bill Gates Backs Climate Scientists Lobbying For Large-Scale Geoengineering

reply to post by Phage


Thats your link, and yes I skimmed it. My point is, that is just FICER alone!

Your ignoring the personal funds Gates pays to Keith that remain undisclosed
and all of the other funds he has his paws in.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by pianopraze

 

It seems to me that they are talking about taking action on CO2 emissions, not SRM.

edit on 2/6/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)

They are talking about all aspects of geoengineering.

Feel free to watch all 7 videos, there are even more damning quotes such as:

So our subject this evening is geoengineering,... I'm kind of worried that when the current climate deniers kind of wake up at some point and realize something is serious happening here, that they'll be seeking easy fixes. So I'm really, really pleased that the Council has chosen to have this conversation today

We've got to do geoengineering.

So anyone who doesn't agree geoengineering is necessary is a climate denyer

BTW that meeting is "Developing an International Framework for Geoengineering" their framework is quite clear as i've shown

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by pianopraze

 

Who's going to work for free? What about the computers?
Ok. So no research at all then.
Fine. Great. Let's just do what we're doing. Come what may.

BTW, did you read Keith's work? That globalist funded nonsense?

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When you don't have money to meet the rent and put food on the table you don't pay for cable TV...

Doesn't matter how nice they make their papers sound we are beyond broke, our credit is maxed, and there are thousands of scientist who say its all bunk anyways.

We need to bring our troops home, and focus on paying our bills!

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Oh, see that you edited in more info. Thats ridiculous for you to cite a snippet about FICER
not supporting particulate matter as a means of geoengineering...and why?

Because Keith's own papers have tied him to the effectivness of Sulfate aerosols, and
worse, nano aluminum particles with Barium!

Keith's own studies suggest that if we were ever forced to try to screen out some of the sun's rays globally, it would be more effective to spray sulphuric acid from aircraft (Geophysical Research Letters, DOI: 10.1029/2010GL043975).

It would also be cheaper, costing a few billion dollars a year according to a study by Aurora Flight Sciences

www.pnas.org...

Proposed self-aligning, levitating, sunlight-reflecting nano-disc (Keith, 2010)
In a nutshell, David’s idea is to engineer discs around 10 micrometers across and 50 nanometers thick, with a core of aluminum, a top layer of aluminum oxide, and a bottom layer of barium titanate. Injected high enough into the atmosphere

2020science.org...

"Dusting"

Here I examine the possibility that engineered nanoparticles could exploit photophoretic forces, enabling more control over particle distribution and lifetime than is possible with sulfates, perhaps allowing climate engineering to be accomplished with fewer side effects. The use of electrostatic or magnetic materials enables a class of photophoretic forces not found in nature. Photophoretic levitation could loft particles above the stratosphere, reducing their capacity to interfere with ozone chemistry; and, by increasing particle lifetimes, it would reduce the need for continual replenishment of the aerosol. Moreover, particles might be engineered to drift poleward enabling albedo modification to be tailored to counter polar warming while minimizing the impact on equatorial climates.

www.pnas.org...

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Keith's own studies suggest that if we were ever forced to try to screen out some of the sun's rays globally, it would be more effective to spray sulphuric acid from aircraft

You didn't provide the correct source: www.newscientist.com...

Yes, if it becomes necessary. Keith does not think it's necessary, yet. That's why he does not support field testing of SRM.

So you know a lot about Gates' and Keith's personal finances? Interesting.

And for the record, these particulate matter are used in conjunction with the aerosols
he (David Keith) proposes, to hold the aerosols (sulfates) up for a longer period of time!

Photophoretic levitation could loft particles above the stratosphere, reducing their capacity to interfere with ozone chemistry; and, by increasing particle lifetimes, it would reduce the need for continual replenishment of the aerosol. Moreover, particles might be engineered to drift poleward enabling albedo modification to be tailored to counter polar warming while minimizing the impact on equatorial climates.www.pnas.org...

He is even going on about particles engineered to drift over the pole!


ETA thanks for the link, maybe maybe not.

This man is sure a con man then, all of his papers going on about these elaborate
methods of SRM ...when they are not needed.

That could be construed to think the man insane, and crazy. IMO...

reply to post by pianopraze

We need to bring our troops home, and focus on paying our bills!

I agree. Bring the troops home.
But you think Bill Gates should pay our bills? Maybe an interest free loan to the Treasury but I wouldn't expect him to just give all that money away to bail out the government.

reply to post by burntheships

This man is sure a con man then, all of his papers going on about these elaborate
methods of SRM ...when they are not needed.

That could be construed to think the man insane, and crazy. IMO...

You think preparing for something that might not happen is insane? Really?
Flood insurance? Fire insurance? Insane?

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

so how about some actual evidence to back up your claim?

An AP article from Birmingham Alabama, dated 12-21-1994

TheRedneck

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by pianopraze

 

But you think Bill Gates should pay our bills? Maybe an interest free loan to the Treasury but I wouldn't expect him to just give all that money away to bail out the government.

edit on 2/6/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)

I never suggested Bill Gates should pay our bills, so don't twist my words!

But the CFR loves to spend our money... and they control most of the politicians in washington. Especially the higher up ones. Here's some fun homework, look at every president since JFK and look who they appoint to almost every presidential appointment... CFR/Trilateral/Bilderbergers fill most of them.

The globalists have locked down their control of washington and use it to do their will as I showed with Hilary's comment. Jim Marrs goes through and elaborates this quite eloquently in several of his books.

So they have a major goal to promote geoengineering, so our money gets spent on their political agenda like geoengineering - and how do they pay for them? Having the fed (which they thoroughly control) issue trillions of dollars making my money worth less every day.

Bill gates is just furthering the globalist agenda of his globalist buddies. Paying scientist to say what he wants so then the CFR can move their flunkies to pass laws spending my money.

reply to post by pianopraze

So they have a major goal to promote geoengineering, so our money gets spent on their political agenda like geoengineering - and how do they pay for them?

You have my interest. How much is in the budget for geoengineering research?

reply to post by Phage


Its insane when its a pipe dream that will not undo the effects of any
supposed man made Greenhouse emissions! Yeah!

I just want to know your thoughts, do you think they have actually made
any of the nano particulate? Or are the specs just sitting on someones hard drive
waiting for a "sudden catastrophe"?

I mean, if they are so sure this kind of SRM will work, and they think a giant
sudden catatstrophe is just around the bend, you think they would get the
raw ingredients ready, right?

What good is a plan without the goods to carry it out?

reply to post by burntheships

No, I don't think they've made any of the advanced particulates. And I don't think anyone expects a "sudden catastrophe".

They aren't "so sure" it would work and they are far from sure about the possible unintended consequences of its use.

What good is any plan without a full consideration of risk vs. benefit in a system as complex as global climate? That full consideration is far from having been made. I see no plan, I see proposals for a wide variety of approaches. Some of which may work as intended, some of which may not.

What is climate change?

Seriously - this is BS! MMGW/climate change will be nothing compared to what these enviro-terorrists will do to the planet if they get their way!

1) Prove that we are warming the planet in a way that will kill life

2) Prove this warming is bad (I read the other day that an additional 200 people PER DAY will die as a result of the winter period )

3) Prove it is not related to the fact we are running out of oil

instead of bill gates funding crazy scientists that want to manipulate the atmosphere by releasing sulfur dioxide and blocking u.v. light, which sounds like the perfect climate for vampires and demons, he should be pressuring senators and congress to regulate and stop the major polluters.

why potentially poison humanity and screw with the environment, which doesn't need any kind of human intervention. all it needs is for humanity to stop interfering.

it will repair itself.

with all his money, he can run climate and attack ads non stop, put immense pressure and shame specific congressman and senators actually do something.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by pianopraze

 

So they have a major goal to promote geoengineering, so our money gets spent on their political agenda like geoengineering - and how do they pay for them?

You have my interest. How much is in the budget for geoengineering research?

I would like to know myself... they hid this in all sorts of places like this:

The FY 2011 budget requests $2.7 billion for USGCRP programs—an increase of about 24% over the FY 2010 level.4 This increase reflects the expanded needs discussed above and represents a commitment by the Obama Administration to the USGCRP.

In 2001, President Bush established the Climate Change Research Initiative (CCRI) to investigate uncertainties and set research priorities in climate change science, aiming to fill gaps in understanding within a few years.3 In the fol- lowing year, it was announced that the USGCRP and CCRI together would become the Climate Change Science Program (CCSP). The USGCRP label re- mained attached to many of the program’s activities. Now, consistent with the statutory language of the GCRA, the whole effort continues to move forward in the Obama Administration as the USGCRP

A report entitled “Global Climate Change Impacts in the United States” released in 2009, documents how the USGCRP divided the US into nine regions similar to FEMA regions. Also tucked into the report was the statement “A central finding of the report was that the vast majority of climate scientists agree that global warming is unequivocal and primarily human induced”

So that is one of the myriad of projects which fund geoengineering type issues and global warming research.

This would be a nice place to cut a few billion dollars

There also seems to be funding flowing to colleges and universities for this:

Geoengineering (or the new term, Climate Remediation officially coined on October 4, 2011, by the Bipartisan Policy Center which is a private congressional lobbying group), also has under its umbrella genetically modified trees, plants, seeds, crops, etc. The intention is to drive a carbon tax which will fund many private corporations who will engage in a myriad of geoengineering schemes and make huge sums of money under government and other contracts or to fund under a U.S. government budget in 2012.

1) Legal Issues & Treaties: Professor of International Law - Catherine Redgwell, University College, London UK and Member of the Royal Society Geoengineering Working Group in 2009. (Catherine Redgwell, General Editor International and Comparative Law Quarterly (2010) - British International Institute of Comparative Law, 19 Russell Square, London WC1B 5JP) Listen to Redgwell Audio Here (download).

2) Professor Ken Caldeira, Member of the Royal Society Geoengineering Group(2009) In 2010-2011, a Member of the Bipartisan Policy Center Working Group on Geoengineering (Climate Remediation). (Ken Caldeira, Department of Global Ecology, Carnegie Institution of Washington-Stanford, CA in 2011.)

3) Professor David Keith, Canada Research Chair in Energy and the Environment, Director ISEEE - Energy and Environmental Systems Group, University of Calgary, Canada. Member of the Royal Society Geoenginering Group (2009). In 2010-2011, a Member of the Pipartisan Policy Center Working Group on Geoengineering (Climate Remediation)

link

So the short answer billions in state and federal funds, but they are masking it with a myriad of terms that make tracking down all the funds nearly impossible.

reply to post by mirageofdeceit


They control the media, so they hype Global Warming all day long.
Climate Change, Climate Gate, Carbon Tax, Global Re Distribution of wealth
is what its all about. From the tax coffers to the con men.

Thats what Climate Change is, a giant ponzi scheme!

I think it's pretty obvious the world will not reduce its carbon dioxide emissions in time to prevent CO2 concentration from surpassing 450 ppm or even 550 ppm. We are at about 390 ppm now. Anyway, in the event average temperatures increase to the point where the effects are severe on either the natural environment or the human environment, then geoengineering will be necessary if the benefits outweigh the negatives. I think we should start planning for this now, so it is done properly with minimized negative effects.

Still, I would rather the sources of these emissions to be stopped at the source.

surprise, surprise..

Originally posted by randomname
instead of bill gates funding crazy scientists that want to manipulate the atmosphere by releasing sulfur dioxide and blocking u.v. light, which sounds like the perfect climate for vampires and demons, he should be pressuring senators and congress to regulate and stop the major polluters.

Good point about the demons and vampires! You have my vote!