1/28/2012 craft in sky From Puerto Rico - Need help getting more info!!

Originally posted by nightstalker78

I don't have to prove anything my man. I'm not the one who took the pretty video of a bunch of lights and got all excited about it.Listen to the audio for the first 55 seconds.she gets excited and says something about people viewing it on youtube.It's not a plane! I can't zoom,I can't zoom haha Come on...It's fake.If I saw something I certainly wouldn't be saying what she does.

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You see, this is where your wrong. ATS is a site where people come to exchange ideas and discuss events as they unfold. You claimed it's a hoax solely based on her excitement. What you really did was give an opinion. There is a difference friend. If you would like to demonstrate how the hoax was achieved, then we would all like to see how you came to the conclusion. If you're right, this thread can be put in the hoax bin. If you can't, then you can go to youtube and make your assumptions there.

Originally posted by Lookingsky11

Listen. It was HUGE. it had lights that rotated on the bottom of this thing. It would blink when the helicopters flew under it. It hovered over the islet. It flew inland and back over 4 times. It changes shape. It changed color. We could see the entire separate location of each light as they rotated. We could see a saucer at one point. It was double the size of the helicopter. It was incredible and there.

Lookingsky11, thanks for posting your description and there's certainly a lot of strange UFO reports coming from the island of Puerto Rico, below is another sighting of a huge UFO in San Juan, also described with lights surrounding it and reports of "an acrid, sulfur-like odor as it flew overhead":

RECTANGULAR UFO APPEARS OVER SAN JUAN, PUERTO RICO:

A UFO, described by witnesses as "square-shaped" or "oval," was sighted over the Summit Hills section of San Juan, the capital of Puerto Rico, on Friday, January 4, 2002 at 2:30 a.m.

The flyover was witnessed by two residents of Summit Hills--Magdalena Gotay, who was standing on the staircase of her house, and Dr. Carlos Fernandez, who was standing in the street in front of his home. Sra. Gotay described the UFO as "a square" while Dr. Fernandez described it as "oval."

Both described the night sky above San Juan as "clear, cloudless, with good visibility." The UFO, they said, "had yellowish lights surrounding it, but the lights did not cast any lights, nor did they light up the (immediate) area. The object appeared to be made of a flat dark gray metallic substance."

The witnesses said the UFO was "three times the size of an airliner if the airliner were traveling at the same altitude (height) as the object, some 2,000 feet (600 meters) up. It was moving from north to south diagonally and zigzagging up and down. They say that when it was over the mogote (karst hill) located behind the Borinquen Towers apartment building," it began "heading southeast, passing directly over their heads. It hid behind a cloud after some seven to ten minutes and was not seen again. Its speed was very slow, slower than an airliner."

Both Sra. Gotay and Dr. Hernandez detected "an acrid, sulfur-like odor as it flew overhead."

"Magdalena Gotay awoke the next morning with a strong headache. She does not know if was related to the sighting."

UFOs,USOs and the Island of Puerto Rico

Cheers.

I'm calling fake on this one, I'm not saying the girl "hoaxed" it but she probably filmed something like a faraway light, or a flying rc toy, or a kite with blinking lights on it. Then at the end when she says," It looks like a flying saucer"!!
Lol how original, need I explain more?

Originally posted by Lookingsky11
does somebody need the mp4 from my phone to see if they can clarify, zoom or anything for that matter?? also can someone tell me how to mute a certain audio frame? i have another clip on my phone. I would love to give this to someone who can work on cleaning it up?

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You would have to find a server that can hold the raw video file, and send a link.

If you have $30.00 to spend, I'd suggest enabling QuickTime, it gives you full editing and export options, (like disabling the audio track), you don't have to operate it from a Macintosh platform, load the free player, look for 'go pro', and it gives you a code to enable all of the functions. I did this 6 years ago and it still works through updates.

If you somehow come across a video file QuickTime will not play, you can load this video converter, it works because I needed to convert an .avi file to mp4 for a project. If that is exclusive to the Mac platform the PC platform actually has many more freeware you can Google to.

Hope that helps.

I don't think this is a plane,

I know from my crappy camera phone, that even big objects look tiny through the lens.

But if you look closely at the video - the bright object (UFO) seems to be very close to that building,

Also the helicopter does appear to show interest in the object - seemingly circling it repeatedly.

I think its also extremely important that we don't dismiss interesting UFO reports before all possible relevant tests have been exhausted - otherwise we risk overlooking important evidence which could glean new information about the UFO phenomenon.

Case in point - I am sure someone on ATS has the software needed to magnify the image, and I suspect reveal details not observable from the Youtube video as it is,

Also give it time, sometimes it takes years for people to feel ready to publicly state that they had an encounter with something they could not explain, new witnesses could come forward.

If the lady who shot this footage emailed it to someone with the software, as opposed to Youtube rip, would it not be better quality.

As you can tell - I believe the OP until I see proof otherwise, that she believes it was not identifiable

reply to post by Komodo


Go and take a look at incoming large commercial jets in alignment with the flightpath from 10 to 15 km away - you will not see any strobes or navigation lights just a large bright light that may occasionally disappear due to slight change of direction.

In fact you will see exactly what is on that video and realise that all of the points you have raised are totally incorrect.

Originally posted by JibbyJedi
It's small, dark, and from far away. Could be an RC toy.
It's hard to tell from this video. The girl jumps right to the aliens conclusion, haha.

At 1:50..
"guys, the helicopter is circalating it..."

Most likely RC copter or plane.

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RC toys that can loiter for that long are not very common and really expensive. Not to mention night RC flight is rare, and RC flight at night over populated areas is both rare and illegal. Not sure what it is, but the conclusion of RC is stretching things a bit.

-rrr

Originally posted by chunder
reply to post by Komodo

 

Go and take a look at incoming large commercial jets in alignment with the flightpath from 10 to 15 km away - you will not see any strobes or navigation lights just a large bright light that may occasionally disappear due to slight change of direction.

In fact you will see exactly what is on that video and realise that all of the points you have raised are totally incorrect.

Actually, in fact a "large commercial jet" at only 10-15 kilometers away could easily occupy half the width of the full moon. Do the trigonometry yourself. I'm not sure about your specific case, but most people could easily distinguish separate aircraft lights in those circumstances. So your 'analysis' here is quite lacking.

And I'm not defending the OP's vid -- it simply doesn't show much, to me -- but the swiftness with which some of you have piled on and claimed "it's just an airplane!", without even feeling a need to address how and why the lights disappear and reappear *instantaneously*, is a little ridiculous.

reply to post by FlySolo


This is fantastic! FINALLY! shall i send you the mp4 from my phone to, so you have more to work with? and the other clip as well? I haven't been able to upload it since I have comments on their that i do not want public. If you can mute them out and work on the two vids, i would love it! send me a message on here to let me know!
Now im excited, we are moving the right direction to get some clarity in this footage

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Exactly why I know it wasn't a prank, toy, led kite, plane or balloon..because the helicoper(s) came out of no where. Immediately flew in that direction and started circling underneath it. Underneath it in a circumference manner. If they found it to be a led kite or something to that effect, wouldn't the police be angry and try to fine someone for making them scramble helicopters? further more, wouldn't there have been an article in the paper stating " pranksters threw up thing in the sky, cost government 2 grand in gas cost" or something?? There is nothing, nothing. i cant find a single anything which is even wierder. I mean this thing was huge, and defined, and visible and weird and not normal at all.

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


I bring up gov employees to prove that they were shaken by this. They are aware of aircraft we have (both published and non) which is why I was even more excited to run into the apartment and get my phone. I have to give the whole story, with every bit of detail, because it is that important to me, for you guys to hear, every possible detail.
I don't understand how anybody is also discussing this as fake? how the heck can that be possible? this is from a phone. I was emotional about this by the time I had gotten my phone. I think you are assuming I started recording the instant it showed up. Not true. Only after several minutes of watching, discussing and debunking did I run in to get the phone. I mean, I also wanted to validate what we were seeing by describing with as much detail in the video what our eyes could plainly see without any issue what soever AND state that I was going to put it on youtube because that is the only social media I know of to post video for discussion and awareness.

There were thousands of people out that night

Perhaps,to thousands of other people, it was not unidentified. Maybe some even bothered to stroll down the beach to see what was going on. Or maybe people have seen it many times before. You have a nice video of a light in the sky.


Here are some "circulating lights"
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If they found it to be a led kite or something to that effect, wouldn't the police be angry and try to fine someone for making them scramble helicopters?

You are assuming the helicopter was circling the light. There is no way to determine how far the light was from you. There is no law against flying kites at night unless you may interfere with air traffic. I don't think flying a kite on a beach qualifies.

reply to post by Lookingsky11

post by Lookingsky11
wouldn't the police be angry and try to fine someone for making them scramble helicopters?

The problem is you are assuming that the helicopter had been scrambled and that they were circling underneath it , we don't know that .

post by Lookingsky11
wouldn't there have been an article in the paper stating " pranksters threw up thing in the sky, cost government 2 grand in gas cost" or something

You could say the same thing for a UFO hovering over a densely populated area , yet there is no other mention of such an event , I've found the online edition of sanjuanislander and can find no mention of anything unusual .
UFO reports are good for business for places that rely on tourism so I would doubt its a cover up .
San Juan Islander

Originally posted by Lookingsky11
I mean this thing was huge, and defined, and visible and weird and not normal at all.

...and yet there is not one single other video of this event, other than your video? I mean, this is San Juan, the capital of Puerto Rico, with half the population (almost 2 million) living or working in the area. (according to the Puerto Rico tourism board circa 2007). An event with a craft that large, and nobody else saw it? Nothing on local news?

That is why we have to go with the most plausible explanation....which greeneyedleo was kind enough to post: That it is in fact an aircraft coming in to land at the airport.

Originally posted by gavron
That is why we have to go with the most plausible explanation....which greeneyedleo was kind enough to post: That it is in fact an aircraft coming in to land at the airport.

Anyone can be kind enough to make a post. But not anyone will take the time to disprove themselves. It is not a plane coming in because if it were, then something has obstructed the light several times at 1000 feet.

Originally posted by Lookingsky11
reply to post by FlySolo

 

This is fantastic! FINALLY! shall i send you the mp4 from my phone to, so you have more to work with? and the other clip as well? I haven't been able to upload it since I have comments on their that i do not want public. If you can mute them out and work on the two vids, i would love it! send me a message on here to let me know!
Now im excited, we are moving the right direction to get some clarity in this footage

That depends. If you get slammed in here for telling people what you saw or if more armchair skeptic pseudo scientists attack you, I may be inclined to help.

reply to post by FlySolo

post by FlySolo
if more armchair skeptic pseudo scientists attack you, I may be inclined to help.

Would you prefer that we all pat the OP on the back and agree the she filmed a UFO ( spaceship ?) , then rather than try to investigate it we could just speculate as to what race of ET were piloting it

I agree that the OP shouldn't be attacked for bringing the video here and commend her for doing so , but it is the nature of ATS that we investigate what is presented and give our honest opinion .
The close proximity of an airport that going by the google maps picture caters for light aircraft and helicopters has to be considered as a possible source for the light in my opinion .

reply to post by FlySolo


lol. well thank you i guess? I would sure appreciate the help, and also, if you can get a good shot, I know for a fact everyone in here will be buzzing. I know what I saw. I know as an intelligent human being that the helicopters were absolutely circling this thing in the air. Remember, i live here. I see planes every night. I see helicopters every night. I have never seen that. ever. I want someone to understand how incredibly huge this was, that i got it on camera. I think everyone will freak. So, we need to zoom, expand whatever gets done on these tapes and then discuss. I understand I am just a person on a computer to everyone, but you just cant even believe how persistent I am being about what we clearly saw. And, can you image how scared i was when i saw it change into a flying saucer type thing? Can you image how uncomfortable I really was saying that out loud no less? I need everyone here to see what is on the vid and the other one as clearly as they can. I understand you cant really tell, but its soo obvious that there is something in the sky, there are lights going around it like 1,2,3,4,5 space...then repeat. That it blacks out. That it blinks. That it expands. That it contracts. It looked like it was interacting. That sounds wacko, but that's all i can use to explain? I am not saying "aliens" how would i know? What I do know 1000000 million percent?
1) not a plane, NOT a plane
2) not a helicopter--obviously, one comes into frame on the video, just look
3) not a led kite, weird led graphic in the sky,
If it were a stunt craft, it would have to have been incredibly expensive to create, or they were filming a movie and could spend tons of cash to create a huge, i mean huge craft, that could change physical shape, hover , fly, blink, have full working rotating, or sequenced lights..i dont know. you guys think someone could make something? Do we have the teq available to anyone>

Originally posted by gortex
reply to post by FlySolo

 

post by FlySolo
if more armchair skeptic pseudo scientists attack you, I may be inclined to help.

Would you prefer that we all pat the OP on the back and agree the she filmed a UFO ( spaceship ?) , then rather than try to investigate it we could just speculate as to what race of ET were piloting it

I agree that the OP shouldn't be attacked for bringing the video here and commend her for doing so , but it is the nature of ATS that we investigate what is presented and give our honest opinion .
The close proximity of an airport that going by the google maps picture caters for light aircraft and helicopters has to be considered as a possible source for the light in my opinion .

No one is saying aliens. But everyone loves to just say planes or RC. I've done my due diligence a page back showing the light goes out and comes back in a second. No one has even commented on my post, completely ignore if you will. All that has been presented is a mundane plane explanation. Yet, where is the investigation it's a plane? The airport a few km away? That's all?

Let's also not even take into consideration that the OP is a full grown adult with the capability to make decisions. And the OP is not a guest in PR but rather a citizen who sees planes every night. But this is dismissed and ignored.

It's really quite simple. One step at a time. Come up with an explanation to my post a page back.

reply to post by Lookingsky11


I believe you, I find it ridiculous how much people question the subject of UFO still. They very well exist, and beyond that point maybe disclosure is near. If we can just get passed the was it a ufo part and think more about what they were doing? Was it picking somebody up? I don't know but some people believe there is a galactic federation with 1000's of ships, in fact the latest notion is that people were invited this past Saturday to come aboard a ship, take pictures, and begin disclosure, is it that far out there this notion? Not really, I have seen ufo's before, once I saw a big grey ship half in and half out of clouds in broad daylight in Australia, it had a big spotlight that rotated up flashed light through the cloud and went straight up and disappeared. I was with a friend, I really did see this, we both did, I am not crazy, people are so conditioned to rationalize everything to 3D, keep your search for the truth going lookingsky, your right on.