Shake down on Milosevic Case and History

Just read something in BBC.com and i thought i would start a wee topic about it and keep upto date with proceedings.

Judges order Milosevic case delay

Once again the judges who are holding case against Slobodan Milosevic have suspended the case for another month to let the ex Yugoslavian leaders newly appointed counsel, to gather witnesses and update themselves on the trial.

This is the seventh time so far in this case that the trial has had to be suspended due to Mr Milosevic's ill health and other factors that havent been fully released.

In other related news, Milosevic's newly appointed counsels, a Mr Kay and Ms Higgins, both British lawyers, were drafted in when doctors stepped in and was granted that lawyers be appointed due to Milosevic's inability to defend himself because his ill health.

The two British lawyers failed to recieve a suspension of the trial at the Hague but Judges denied this request.

The two British lawyers have complained that Mr Milosevic will not co-operate with them and that many defence witnesses are refusing to testify.

The former Yugoslav president faces 66 war crimes charges relating to conflicts in the Balkans during the 1990s.

Mr Milosevic's ill health, linked to heart problems and high blood pressure, has repeatedly brought his lengthy trial to a halt, putting it behind schedule.

Mr Milosevic, who has dismissed the charges against him as lies, wants to call more than 1,000 witnesses, but it is unlikely there will be time for all of them during the 150 trial days allotted for his defence.

Well...stick your hands up if you think this trial will be kept being put off because of his health and other possibilities?

The man is going to be standing trial but the doctor has full rule over his health and if deemed neccesary he can stop the proceedings indefinetly, and even then..they cant do anything because he isnt there to defend himself or be accused.

Lets pray the lawyers get it right and this man will get his sentence for life.

related links

Milosevic opens trial defence

The Charges

Q & A: The basics of the trial

Milosevic Timeline

Excerpts : Milosevic's defence

Excerpts : Defence, day 2

Yugoslavian Timeline and Background history check

Milosevic's Yugoslavia

Yugoslavian Timeline

Delaying tactics, why is it they always resort to delaying...



Must not be smart enough for a decent defence.

Being a Croatian, I believe he should be tried, regardless.

But I also believe he should be tried for the crimes committed during the War of Seperation.

I have a totally different view on Kosovo, which I would surely be flamed for, so I'm keeping my mouth shut.

The delay of the war crimes trial of Former Yugoslavian leader Slobodan Milosevic, has finnally come to an end. The one month delay was called because of the two new court-appointed lawyers needed time to sort out and prepare there case.

The two lawyers are still waiting for the judges to rule on there appeal that they lodged against the unfairness of the trial due to Milosevic being uncooperative.

Trial

well he should probably be tried for the war of separation between ex-yugoslav states, but kosovo, c'mon ppl i understand most of u live on some other planet called the usa, and think they are allowed to do whatever they want, but it ain't true. the UCK or the kosovo liberation army is actually a terrorist organisation from albania, killing serbs and other non-albanian population, and the un nor the USA "PEACEKEEPERS" don't stop them from doing this. Very few non-albanians live in kosovo right now, because of this ethnic cleaning supported by such a "DEMOCRATIC" government as the US one. he is also being tried for not letting the americans bomb yugoslavia without any resistance... well i understand us army can fight as far as there is no resistance... what else? oh i am sorry is he also requested to pay the bill for the f117a displayed in pieces in the yugoslav air museum or not?

now about the trial itself, milosevic is in perfect health and the lawyers were appointed because the west is afraid that pl around the world will hear a lot of information the capitalist countries have been hiding for them. they are also appointing the lawyers to help the court prove milosevic guilty... well well wel so much about the democracy LOL.

P.S. Narthraq I suggest u share ur views with us as well...

Originally posted by khruschev
well he should probably be tried for the war of separation between ex-yugoslav states, but kosovo, c'mon ppl i understand most of u live on some other planet called the usa, and think they are allowed to do whatever they want, but it ain't true. the UCK or the kosovo liberation army is actually a terrorist organisation from albania, killing serbs and other non-albanian population, and the un nor the USA "PEACEKEEPERS" don't stop them from doing this. Very few non-albanians live in kosovo right now, because of this ethnic cleaning supported by such a "DEMOCRATIC" government as the US one. he is also being tried for not letting the americans bomb yugoslavia without any resistance... well i understand us army can fight as far as there is no resistance... what else? oh i am sorry is he also requested to pay the bill for the f117a displayed in pieces in the yugoslav air museum or not?

P.S. Narthraq I suggest u share ur views with us as well...

Ok, my views( for which I will surely be chastised are:

Kosovo is historically and culturally Serbian. It was there, that the Serbians defeated the Ottoman Turks. It holds alot of sentimental value to the Serbs, just as Texas does to the U.S. Over the last century, the Albanians have been swarming into Kosovo, and other parts of Europe, seeking economic advancement. It got to the point, that Kosovo became 90% Albanian. Then they declared' independence'. Rather odd. It's like Texas seperating from the U.S., with the Mexicans declaring it 'independant'. How would America react?

Serbia got a real bad rap for the Kosovo debacle. As an American-Croatian, I know the feelings and fears between all the former provinces. But we are all basically the same culture. I supported Serbia during Kosovo, and will continue to do so.

Some of the articles I've read about the conflict in the former Yugoslavia have led me to believe we weren't bein told about everything that was going on over there.

The Big Lie About Kosovo

The Freezer Truck Hoax: How NATO Framed Slobodan Milosevic

The spoils of another war

[edit on 14-10-2004 by AceOfBase]

Take a look at these pictures to see who Milosevic was fighting:
www.balkanpeace.org...

Heads 1 (graphic)
This photograph was seized from Saudi Arabian fighters captured in Crni Vrh near Teslic, Bosnia. A Muslim solder displays the severed head of Blagoje Blagojevic, a Serb from the village of Jasenovo near Teslic.

Heads (graphic)
The severed heads of three Serbs (identified as Blagoje Blagojevic, Nenad Petkovic, and Brana Djuric) beheaded by Muslim fighters. This picture was seized from Saudi Arabian solders captured near Teslic in Bosnia.

This Reuters photo appeared in The Independent, 11 December 1995, and as far as we can determine, never again. The caption, reads, "Faith in action: A Muslim brigade of the Bosnian Army marching in a military parade in Zenica, central Bosnia." Note that the headbands have Arabic writing. Bosnian Muslims speak Serbo-Croatian, as do Serbs and Croats, not Arabic. By 1995 the Bosnian army, so-called, was largely Islamized by the Mujahideen brought in by Iran and Saudi Arabia in a program coordinated by the Pentagon. link

Before the 1990s, people in Bosnia would have laughed at this sight, thinking these men were going to a costume ball. But nobody was laughing in 1995. The caption reads, "One of the Bosnian Army's Muslim brigades marches through Zenica in a demonstration of strength by 10,000 soldiers." The (London) Times, 11 December 1995.

Thank you a lot nathraq for sharing your opinion with us.
Yes, I totaly agree with you AceOfBase that American propaganda doen't allow you to know the whole truth

He should be let go, if anything because he was captured after a highly illegal and immoral campaign.

He shouldn't just be freed, there are some charges I agree with, while the kosovo charges are totally insane...

*shakes head*

Milosevic led a campaign to clense bosnia from muslims and catholics. Elections right before the war: majority of serbs vote for serbian NATIONALIST party, led by Milosevic's puppet Karadzic, croats vote for democratic croatian party, a hard liner but not much, muslims vote for DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS, also popular in entire europe, and refuse to vote for muslim national party. After elections serbs get pissed off, start a war, kill 200,000 muslims and croats, dig mass graves, open concentration camps, rape women, bomb cities they didnt take for over 3 years, and it all ends in a bloody masacre in Srebrenica, where 8,000 people were slaughtered INFRONT OF THE EYES OF HUNDREDS OF DUTCH PEACE KEEPERS.

So, yeah, Milosevic is GUILTY of genocide, so is Karadzic, Mladic, and many other Serbs who felt like "clensing" the Balkans once again. Yes, again, this was not the first genocide they commited. Google a bit and be enlightened.

As for not being told the whole truth about Bosnia, of course you were not, it was too horrible to bear. I suggest reading a book called "Love Thy Neighbour" by Peter Mass. Might open your eyes as to what was going on in that part of the world.

Milosevic supporters make me sick

If he had ordered the killings of half of your family and made the other half refugees living in countries all over the world, I doubt you would be kissing his ass and feeling sorry for him. I hope that bastard and all his supporters burn in hell.

[edit on 14-10-2004 by paperclip]

who do not know history of our people he or she could not see all that happend in past
so I have one question for western people
if someone who is known as criminal and terorist and kill your people in your country or try to take your teritory what sgould you do?
as we see when they are in afganistan or other midle east country they are caled terorist, and when they are in my country they are not.
But milosevic should be tried in my country becouse he did the worst for his on people!!!!

Nobody is questioning the atrocities done during the war. But, they were committed by all sides, Hrvati i Srpi. I remember during the war, our relatives wearing shirts that stated, " Bog i Hrvati"(God and the Croatians), and " Hrvatska mora biti Sobodna"(Croatia must be free). This was in Chicago. We all have friends or relatives on one side or the other. My aunt(Croatian) is married to a Serb. Her family got all mad at her after the war started, and told her to divorce him. That's the mentality. And that is why I am saying that all sides committed atrocities. It was just that the Serbs were in control of the Army, and had the equipment.

Kosovo, though, is a whole other category than what happened in the early 90's.

We all know what happend in early 90
the big b...s...t
we could all live as we lived before i do not care who is what nationality i live in Vojvodina so i know what i am talking about
so the thing is that they were strugle for possition and I think they even compete who will rip off more
but there is always criminals and mentaly distrubed people who make some nasty things and that is it .
we could kill them (sloba, tudjman, ...hat is a lot less lost lives) and could conitiniue to live in some kind of state all together and join EU
now we all whant to join EU (in future same country) so same thing, one country again but many lives lost and for what?
all they whanted is to take our lives, and esets (money) for them self and ofcourse their own family an close friends
(sorry my englih is not so good / I am rusty/ so pardon me for mistakes)

Originally posted by AceOfBase
Take a look at these pictures to see who Milosevic was fighting:
www.balkanpeace.org...

Heads 1 (graphic)
This photograph was seized from Saudi Arabian fighters captured in Crni Vrh near Teslic, Bosnia. A Muslim solder displays the severed head of Blagoje Blagojevic, a Serb from the village of Jasenovo near Teslic.

Heads (graphic)
The severed heads of three Serbs (identified as Blagoje Blagojevic, Nenad Petkovic, and Brana Djuric) beheaded by Muslim fighters. This picture was seized from Saudi Arabian solders captured near Teslic in Bosnia.

This Reuters photo appeared in The Independent, 11 December 1995, and as far as we can determine, never again. The caption, reads, "Faith in action: A Muslim brigade of the Bosnian Army marching in a military parade in Zenica, central Bosnia." Note that the headbands have Arabic writing. Bosnian Muslims speak Serbo-Croatian, as do Serbs and Croats, not Arabic. By 1995 the Bosnian army, so-called, was largely Islamized by the Mujahideen brought in by Iran and Saudi Arabia in a program coordinated by the Pentagon. link

Before the 1990s, people in Bosnia would have laughed at this sight, thinking these men were going to a costume ball. But nobody was laughing in 1995. The caption reads, "One of the Bosnian Army's Muslim brigades marches through Zenica in a demonstration of strength by 10,000 soldiers." The (London) Times, 11 December 1995.

*cough* Your source seems to be the HVO, which worked hand in hand with the HoS butchers...

Don't kid yourself. It was atrocities in every direction during this conflict.

DE

I agree fully with DE.

Your sources are biased...you have no personal opinion of what happened in those events. You follow the sheeps as usual.

WarCrimes are very serious and cannot be taken lightly..no matter when, who or what caused the attrocity.

Most warcrime tribunals that are gathering today are just coming into the limelite cause dumb ass americans and stupid bloody politics are gettin in the way of people seeing what is happening beyond there own borders.

for example.

Khmer Rouge : Over 2 million people executed, murdered or starved to death...america and others knew about it...why didnt they stop it...hmmm..well..lets see....cause there too damn involved in suckin up to get own personal agendas forfilled.

Rwanda : Again....800'000 in i think it was 4 months...oh looky...America knew again and its only recently they have stood up and admitted they screwed up...well yeah hello....dont see no apology to those who lost loved ones in that massacre.

People really need to start opening there eyes to what is happening in this world....im honest to bloody f**king god sick to death of people whining about the cost of oil...or who blew up who cause of a century old feud...yeah..heard it..seen it..hell i even been there!!!

No matter when these attrocties happened..from 10-50yrs ago..every person who gives a damn about anything should be at least familiar with there own history...how the hell can we develop and learn from mistakes if we dont get our heads outta our asses and learn.

got some stuff here about war crimes....might be a good read for ur kids or even u...maybe make a start on a real education

www.crimesofwar.org... gives information on war crimes and other related info

www.yale.edu... some of you may recognise this...its called Nuremberg..all do do with Nazi's.

www.centurychina.com... history we shall never forget...more like..history we should never be allowed to forget

www.ess.uwe.ac.uk... oh heres a good one..tells u about...oh looky...history!!!!

Your sources are biased...you have no personal opinion of what happened in those events. You follow the sheeps as usual.

and you do? and you are not following the sheep? well, just let me clear your head a little bit, you follow the sheeps and a lot of them: US government, US propaganda makers, US president-Bush himself, and the most American people who just don't use their brain, which as far as I know all people have, and even though it's in different stages of devellopment for different people everyone can think... Bad thing is that not only the Americans act like sheep, but most of the Western world and other pro-Western nations do. Here, I am in no way trying to say that all people of the above mentioned nations are stupid or at least act so, but the most of the people are either stupid or pretend to be stupid...

Anyway how can the US judge what is right and what is not, who is a terrorist and who is not, when the American continent was only discovered in late 15th century, when the country was habitated by the hindus, and later on they were practically exterminated by the ones who nowdays call themselves the "true Americans"????

P.S. Plural for sheep is sheep and not sheeps...

Does anyone remember the US state department's rational for war with Serbia? Here is the Finnish pathologist's report on Racak. It seems to me the US is always all too eager to start the war before the facts have been established, Clinton of Bush. Almost seems as if they plan it this way.