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Originally posted by theubermensch
Originally posted by aravoth
reply to post by theubermensch
rofl, sounds like a nice comfy New World Order, hope it works out for you. Can't imagine it will though, most of your don't even own firearms because you're all anti-gun, so good luck forcing people to live in communes.
Im a socialist not a limp wristed liberal.
A revolutionary socialist beats an 'all talk,do nothing,capitalist neocon' everytime.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Thats true. Scandinavians are extremely efficient. We can learn plenty from them.
Total Cost of Wars Since 2001 $1,298,654,565,547
Originally posted by theubermensch
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by theubermensch
You still havent said 'Woodrow Wilson'
Im impressed.
Socialists arent going to go and hide in the woods. Our numbers are growing by the day. Real change means global socialism. Socialism for America.
This way it comes.
Really?... Well, you will find yourself with an oposition of billions of people, millions of which will be armed to the teeth...
I hope you are more than willing to pay the price...
You dont think socialists own guns?
Come with us comrade
Originally posted by ANOK
costofwar.com...
Originally posted by JimmyNeutron
And there you go showing your true @ss colors... Forcing socialism at the point of a gun ain't socialism.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
As a passionate capitalist I can assure you that war is not in my interest. Building a prosperous and happy society is in my interest. Giving people the fruits of my monetary gain is in my interest.
Originally posted by ANOK
Well I doubt you are actually a capitalist, do you earn your living from your capital and the hiring of labour?
But regardless wars have been fought for capitalist interest for centuries. Why do you think the British invaded India and Africa and wages wars with them? Why do you think we want to go to war with Iran, or the long wars with the rest of the ME? It's not to save us from terrorists lol.
Originally posted by theubermensch
reply to post by ElectricUniverse
We already went over this with Lenin.
Lincoln is a mass murderer is what you are saying?
Originally posted by Skyfloating
France, Germany, Denmark and Sweden have right-wing Governments. Portugal and Greece, who are bankrupt have had left-wing Governments.
The original political meanings of ‘left’ and ‘right’ have changed since their origin in the French estates general in 1789. There the people sitting on the left could be viewed as more or less anti-statists with those on the right being state-interventionists of one kind or another. In this interpretation of the pristine sense, libertarianism was clearly at the extreme left-wing.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
For these people it seems that it wasn't enough that their ideologies murdered over 110 million people, and imprisoned millions more because they would not accept socialism/communism...
Originally posted by Skyfloating
I invest, hire and earn money from my capital.
Wars are conflicts of interests. Such conflicts arise from varying views and intentions that are culturally, sociologically and economically very complex. Your simplistic view of conflict does not do the topic justice.
WAR is a racket. It always has been.
It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient Major General Smedley D. Butler USMC, Retired
Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical
reply to post by maestromason
As for criticizing past attempts as socialism, none of them were or are the same brand of socialism that is being promoted in this thread. Again, this is intellectual dishonesty at best.
Everyone's main argument against socialism is that you can't do it without corruption. i think this is horse pucky. If the will exists to do away with corruption, it can be achieved.
Originally posted by ANOK
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
I lived and experienced communism, and still have family in such a hellhole you want to implement around the world, hence why I don't find funny when ignorant people call me "comrad"...
No you haven't. You experienced a country that uses the term 'communism' for political reasons, not because they practice it. There has never been a communist country, ever. It has always been a theory only.
Wasn't it you who claimed we blame everything on others?
If you would only read through this thread, you will see this has been discussed and covered already. You might even learn something if you drop the obvious bias.
edit on 2/2/2012 by ANOK because: typo
Originally posted by User8911
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Oh for crying out loud. Why do you socialist types keep trying to sell the idea that Adam Smith was a socialist... and that Jesus was socialist?
Obviously duh, Jesus was a socialist more then a capitalist.
Next time, use someone that was selfish to say he wasn't a socialist.edit on 2-2-2012 by User8911 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ANOK
You are still confused,
those so called left wing governments are not really left wing.
I don't want a 'left wing' government, I want liberty, libertarian socialism. Left wing and government is an oxymoron imo.
So you all can keep waffling on using so called left wing governments to demonize socialism
, but all your are doing is helping spread the propaganda you have all fallen for. I wish you would do some real research, and actually study the working class struggle since the industrial revolution, and you will see how political and economic terms have been twisted to demonize socialism, and convince you to accept a system that doesn't have your best interest at hear
Deny ignorance eh?
The original political meanings of ‘left’ and ‘right’ have changed since their origin in the French estates general in 1789.
Originally posted by ANOK
Please do some research, almost every war ever fought has been due to capitalist interests, only the excuses vary.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Libertarian socialism is an oxymoron. Liberty means that I can decide what to do with my money. Socialism means that you decide what happens with my money.
If you are looking for "real research" look no further than reality. Reality is that all types of socialism have collapsed.