Heavy "Spraying"* in Phoenix Today 2-1-12

Originally posted by MarshMallow_Snake
reply to post by network dude

 

I see commercial airliners fly over every day...and I am sure that there are at least 50 - 100 each day that pass right over as well...however, I do not see these reactions in the atmosphere everyday. So, I probably would still be skeptical to answer your question.

fair enough. I am not a weatherman, but in my time on this board, I learned that preceding a frontal system (as we are in my area) can be perfect conditions for persistent contrails. When the conditions are right, you will see lots of contrails and they are usually followed by lots of clouds. Then comes the weather change.

That can be verified and probably explained a whole lot better by the smarter posters here.

Have a nice day.

reply to post by redzareptile


The video you posted is filled to the brim with misinformation.

It is really that simple. Modern high bypass turbofan engines will make very voluminous contrails, when atmospheric conditions are suitable, and these can also be very long-lasting.

The same airplane and same engines, flying through air that is not as saturated with water vapor will make contrails that may dissipate rather quickly, form seconds to a matter of minutes.

Other times, the same airplane/engine combination, will make NO contrails.

It is entirely dependent on atmosphere.

reply to post by MarshMallow_Snake


You do know Uncinus just directed you to HIS own site don't you ?

Just sayin'

reply to post by redzareptile



If you care to see PB's profile, join date and post count, its pretty obvious he doesn't have time
to fly anything but his computer desk ?


Peace

Originally posted by MarshMallow_Snake
reply to post by ProudBird

 

Ok, I see the point here. Now, what about another plane flying by that is not leaving a trail and appears to be the same height as the other planes? (I say appears as I have no way of measuring) Would that just be normal atmospheric reaction as well?

Have a look at them on flight aware - flightaware.com... (which will take you straight to Phoenix A/P) or flight radar - www.flightradar24.com...

Originally posted by ProRipp
reply to post by MarshMallow_Snake

 

You do know Uncinus just directed you to HIS own site don't you ?

Just sayin'

Yep - is there anything on there that is actually incorrect tho?

surely it is the quality of the information that counts regardless of who's website it is on?

reply to post by network dude


You as well, and thank you for your input.

reply to post by ProRipp


Yeah, I figured that part out as I was reading it. Even though it is his own website, the information on it did make sense to me. It was a pretty good post with rational thinking.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


Thank you. I will check these sites out as well.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


One problem:

....or flight radar - www.flightradar24.com...

For those in the U.S., FlightAware is much better, over flightradar24. Here is why (from the latter's "About" page"):

How Flightradar24 works

Introduction to Flightradar24
Flightradar24 shows live airplane traffic from different parts around the world. The technique to receive flight information from aircraft is called ADS-B. That means the Flightradar24 can only show information about aircraft equipped with an ADS-B transponder. Today about 60% (about 30% in USA and about 70% in Europe) of the passenger aircraft and only a small amount of military and private aircraft have an ADS-B transponder.

On the other hand (OTOH), FlightAware is fed its information directly from the FAA's Air Traffic Control computers, so all flights on an IFR (Instrument Flight Rules) flight plan will be displayed. Regardless of transponder type.

Some (not all) certain military flights may not display.....there is an "opt out" provision. But that would be sensitive nature military flights, for National Security and other reasons. But, those would be quite rare occasions, compared to the vast numbers of regular commercial airline flights.

The FlightAware FAQ page

(Privacy section):

Can I block my aircraft on FlightAware?

Yes, there are two ways to accomplish this:

FlightAware Selective (Un)blocking

Enroll in FlightAware's selective unblocking service for a tail number that is not already blocked.

FlightAware can process your request with next-day service and will block your operations from the general public. Your FlightAware account(s) will continue to be able to securely view and track your aircraft. FlightAware will complete the paperwork necessary for blocking your aircraft on other flight tracking services and will provide you with everything you need to accomplish the block.

Blocking request through NBAA BARR

The NBAA (National Business Aviation Association) operates and maintains the BARR (Blocked Aircraft Registration Request) in conjunction with the FAA. This service is free although it may take 30-45 days to take effect and will not allow your user account to track your aircraft on FlightAware unless you subscribe to FlightAware's selective unblocking service.

FYI........

reply to post by ProudBird


would that be why I was unable to clearly identify two of the planes I snapped today? One was a military C-17, but the other was a Boeing commercial widebody.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


I was'nt talking to you !
I stated a fact, to another member.
Thank you

Peace

reply to post by waynos


Well, you're over in Yorkshire?

I guess all you have is flightradar24 available....I checked, and centered FlightAware on Manchester (that's a bit closer to you than London, yes?):

EGCC

But, they may just be getting the same data from flightradar24......so there will be gaps in coverage, due to the transponder issue.

reply to post by MarshMallow_Snake


Hey, Marshmallow....I live in Lake Havasu City....and we were chemtrail slimed today, as well....I saw it this morning...(no, I did not take pictures)....chemtrails being laid in criss-crosses in the sky.....next thing I knew, we had clouds and the beautiful day turned gray....now, at 3:30. the sun is out again and the trails are fading away....you are/were correct...and all the nay-sayers who answered you with their snotty comments should go write for Huffington Post, or something....and don't show me your weather maps....I SAW the criss-crosses....

Originally posted by redzareptile
reply to post by ProudBird

 

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Proud Bird. I know that you post on almost in every thread that mentions chemtrails. I have read your self proclaimed credentials.
I don't know why you can't see the difference between these two types of events.
1. You currently fly for whom ever may be eledgedly sparying?
2. You work for a governmet agency with the sole purpose to dispell any such claims as our imagination.
3. Maybe you believe there is no difference between these two types of emmisions from large aircraft?

I am a sky watcher. I have lived along flight paths on both the eastern seaboard and on the west coast. I am not trying to be confrontational but without knowing how you know and why you are so convinced in what you are saying. I find it hard to accept your snappy writeoff of any claims of "chemtrails".

edit on 1-2-2012 by redzareptile because: (no reason given)

I distinctly remember those trails, as they disperse and open up, in the late 80s and early 90s. They were from normal jet airplanes. I dont usually look at the sky any longer but i dont see any difference in those videos from what i seen well over a decade ago.

I know...there will be a rebuttal, but that is what i saw.

Originally posted by ProRipp
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

I was'nt talking to you !
I stated a fact, to another member.

You don't get to censor who answers - if you want a private conversation take it to U2U.

And I am talking to you - do you think that the quality of information - its accuracy - is more or less important than who runs the website or not?

reply to post by doryinaz


Wait....whaddya mean, don't show weather maps?? Is that a way to learn anything?

I SAW the criss-crosses...

This LINK: Enroute H-4

See the Parker VOR? I centered it when the link opens. Lake Havasu is just NorthEast of the PKE VOR, and SouthEast from the Needles VOR (EED).

Those are Jet Airways, in heavy black lines....to show the many paths and directions that airplanes will be travelling, in that region.

But of course, just ignore facts and science and pesky things like the weather; reality of that sort....in favor of a myth, a hoax and utter nonsense?

reply to post by ProudBird


Thanks, yes flightradar 24 and the 'live only' flightglobal atlas are the only ones I've used. i need to try and figure out how to use the site you've provided, can it go backwards for earlier flights?

This is the Boeing, a 767 I reckon, directly over Rotherham (next door to Sheffield) at 14:00 local time flying west towards Manchester

I live in Gilbert, and work at Boeing in Mesa. I can assure the people on this thread that there were no Chemtrails today, or over the past week, over the Phoenix metro area. All I see outside today are the same contrails I have been seeing since I was born 28 years ago. I can even ask one of the Test Pilots for the Apache Attack Helicopter to take a closer look if you guys want. I am sure they will say the same thing.

reply to post by waynos


Yes, once you identify a specific flight:

...can it go backwards for earlier flights?

Your B-767 there looks like a BA paint scheme?

I just did a "blind" search between two cities....randomly chose Frankfurt (EDDF) to Newark (KEWR). Results:

United Airlines 119

This page will have a history of prior flights, for that specific flight number. You can search similarly, for other flights.