Remote-viewing 'asset' speaks out

By: Anonymous

For pretty much my entire life I've had a strong but quiet interest in the paranormal. I remember being born, have memories from the womb and some recollections from my past life. Because of the reaction I recieved when I talked about these as a young child, I realized there were certain things I couldn't reveal about myself and my interests if I wanted to be 'normal.'

I picked up reading very early and from the outset I read everything I could. It was in the local library in the 70s where I first started reading about transcendental meditation and hypnosis at age 11. I learned as much as I could and practiced my techniques. Astral projection was something I found very little information on at the time, but I absorbed what I could. I tried for years, but no matter how deep a state of relaxation and disassociation I entered, I could not seperate my consciousness from what I know now as the autonomic nervous system. However it never occured to me that I was extremely young at the time and that this could be a factor. Nevertheless, I lost interest in these subjects and stopped practicing when teenage boy obsessions with driving, girls, and rock music took over.

After high school I joined the Air Force and was stationed in Japan. One night I went to the beach and drank all night with my buddies. I was 20 at the time. We were sleeping on the beach of the subtropical island where we were stationed. I woke up feeling perfectly fine to see an amazing sunrise that looked exactly like the Japanese flag - perfectly red and round. My buddies were sprawled around the beach. I found my wallet was on the beach, about to be absorbed by the rising tide. When I tried to pick it up, I couldn't. I could see myself on the beach along with my friends. It dawned on me that this was an OBE about which I'd read in a recently published book. I inspected my body because it occured to me I could have died. I was breathing fine. I explored the beach for a bit and how I was traveling. I traveled by any means I imagined - walking or floating. Just as the realizations with what I could do started to sink in, my friend woke up and started pulling at the blanket which I was hogging. I returned to my body, which was severely hungover. I got my wallet and fell back asleep.

I had difficulty recreating the experience for awhile. My barracks were next to an airfield with jet fighters taking off on afterburner day and night, and also the young guys in the barracks partied and came and went with the regularity of the jets. It was hard to relax deep enough to enter the astral plane. However, I decided to go camping on the remote islands around the main one I was on, Okinawa. These islands are perfectly peaceful beyond anything I'd ever experienced and very quiet with only the sounds of nature. You could go there by ferry because they harbored small fishing villages. Camping on these island beaches on cool nights in my sleeping bag, I was able to enter deep meditative states like I used to, but this time I found that I could seperate my consciousness from my body with complete ease. I have a theory on why this happened but won't go into it here. The deeper my mental and physical state of meditation, the more lucid my experience on the astral plane. Eventually I became so practiced that I could enter the astral plane merely by closing my eyes while fully conscious, but the impressions are vague. The term I used to describe the state of meditation at which my consciousness was no longer symbiotic with my nervous system and the sensations of my physical body I termed 'deep.'

By the first time I got to the islands, entered deep, and stepped into the astral plane, I had already spent a lot of time imagining how to explore what my astral body could do. When I sat up in my tent while my body remained behind, I immediately flew upward, through the fabric of the tent, and rose above the earth. The beach expanded beneath me, the night ocean spread out ahead of me, and the moon was above. The feeling of spiritual joy and elation and the feeling of flight made me laugh like a child. In a short time I had many spiritual revelations and many things about life were made crystal clear to me that dispelled many fears I had harbored in my unconscious mind. More on that another time.

My first destination to explore was the surface of the Moon. I willed myself to the exact landing spot of Apollo 11's landing. There was no travel time. I was there as soon as I wanted to be. It was extremely dark and the sky was full of stars. I realized that the 'dark' side of the Moon was facing the sun, leaving only a sliver of Moon visible from Earth, so the Apollo 11 landing sight was in lunar shadow.

I looked for the 'silver thread' of which I had read about that connects the consciousness to the body. I found that it was there if I concentrated on seeing it, and I could sometimes see it when I wasn't thinking about it. It was actually kind of annoying in that sense.

Astral travel is as fast or as slow as you will it to be. There is absolutely no inertia, allowing you to accelerate instantly. You can also travel in time as well as space. Experience is quasi-objective, or quasi-subjective, depending on how you look at things. I don't believe you are actually leaving your body. That part is a self-constructed illusion inherent to human psychology / physiology through which a much deeper phenomena is experienced. However, it is through the paradigm of 'leaving the body' and OBE terminolgy that facilitate communication of the experiences. More on that some other time.

After practicing every weekend for a few months I decided to try and find other people on the astral plane. As soon as I entered the plane I was able to do this merely by thinking about it. It was as easy as travel. I found this person high above Okinawa in the sky. The other person was a shadow that I couldn't visually identify well, but I from which I recieved and transmitted wordless, telepathic impressions of peace and greetings. I could soon recognize the psychic pattern of this person. If you simply think about how someone you know makes you feel, that's similiar to the individual impression of the other astral body. The person wanted me to follow them, and I did. We effortlessly flew to a campus in the southern part of the island. There he showed me an office door with a name written in Japanese and English. Reading letters and numbers in the astral plane is a bit like having dyslexia, but I was able to read it. I returned to my body
and wrote down the information on the door.

I was able to make contact with the person whose name was on the door. I was apprehensive about calling Dr. Iha, but it turned out he spoke English. Nervous, I said "I met you in the sky," and he at once laughed and said "Yes." We arranged to meet. When we did, he introduced himself then asked me to write my experiences of meeting him down. I did so, and when I offered him my account he offered me his. They were nearly identical. This was my first realization that my experiences with astral projection were objective.

Iha was middle-aged and spoke fluent English. He was a psychology professor, sometimes taught parapsychology, and had taught at Stanford for many years. In both Stanford, Ryu-Dai, and To-Dai he had studied parapsy. We had much in common, and I practiced my projection often at his office. My belief in the objectivity of the experience was strengthened greatly during this time. Iha taught me about the use of astral projection for remote viewing, which we practiced. At this time he said, "Research in this area is of active interest to intelligence communities." Later, I took this as his way of telling me he had an active role in remote viewing by the US intelligence community, so that I wouldn't feel betrayed if I learned more about it.

My job in the Air Force was as an enlisted aerial photo-interpreter. This turned out to be a happy coincidence in many ways. Prior to leaving the service, while on terminal leave, I met through Dr. Iha an American that Iha said might be able to help me not only enter Stanford University, but help with tuition. When I arrived in the states, I met with this individual. My security clearance, still active because I was still on active duty, along with the signing of some confidentiality forms allowed me easy access to what this individual had in mind. Dr. Iha's instruction and the technical aspects of remote viewing made it very easy to understand that I was being offered a job as a remote viewer. The hours were very light, and the pay more than enough to cover living expenses and tuition, as well as guaranteed entry to Stanford.

I couldn't turn down the opportunities I was given. In four years I earned a double major in political science and Russian history, while making enough to afford a small house. I worked on RV projects between 1 and 20 hours per week, and sometimes recieved bonuses. Most of the experiences were quite interesting, and some remarkable, but I won't go into them right now. My self-education into RV, which I knew merely as astral projection initially, gave me a unique style that sometimes hindered, and sometimes enhanced my performance.

By the time I went to graduate school my interests had switched to economics. My academics were good enough to get in by myself, which was good because the remote viewing job and the influence of my handlers had both dried up. Before I recieved my graduate degree in economics, a lot of information about government RV projects was made public in 1995. At this point, though, I had had enough of astral projection and RV for liftetime.

My credentials and background, along with the education allowed me to get a very good job with the US Government. I am really grateful for the experiences, as unusual as they were, but don't talk about them except for a few key intimates with geniune interest. The attitudes of people and their acceptance of paranormality is at about the same level that I remember as a young child, and I don't feel it's so important people understand me that I have to make a fuss about it.

Very cool, what are some of the better web sites and/or books to read on how to practice RV/OBE's? I would love to read up on the methods.

WOW! Amazing experience. Thank you for sharing. I hope at some point you will elaborate on some additional RV experiences!!!!!



Jemison

Interesting Bio, But remainng anonymous might be tough. You provided alot of background information.Im not certain but i think i have read this Bio before somewere i am kind of an RV buff ,like most people who collect baseball cards and can rattle off stats, i Know alot about the early days of RV and most of the original players in the military projects.It would be interesting to hear some more of your experiences, if thats posible due to oath's taken under your active status at the time. Hopefully you can endulge us with a few.
Parker

P.S When at Stanford did you work with Russel Targ, or Hal Putoff ?

[edit on 16-9-2004 by parker]

i am also very very interested in this type of activity and I believe i have gotten very close but I just can't get past that conciousness/body connection. I am 20 years old and have tried for the last 3 but I can't quite do it are there any tips one could give I try deep meditation but maybe I am thinking about the wrong things. This would help greatly thanks.

Bryan

By: Anonymous

Much of the knowledge I have of the nature of US intelligence employment of paranormal assets is limited to the department I was in. I wasn't an administrator, but an employee focused on my work. My abilities defined the department in which I worked, which was Remote Viewing. Though I'm not keen on speculation, I know of one other operational department, which was Global Consciousness, or GC.

GC and RV worked closely together, though the coordination of the groups was overseen by a small staff of directors. There was also an Internal Affairs group that enforced the security clauses and agreements under which we worked. They had their own paranormal assets. As typical with any hierarchal structure, IS assets were drawn from the frontline assets of RV and GC who had proven trustworthy. Pay and benefits were considerably higher than what I received, and what I received was generous. Of course, psychological profiling and observation of assets was conducted so that egomaniacs would not eventually comprimise the department by writing a tell-all book about the affairs and trying to gain fame and fortune and New-Age worshippers.

Employment in RV was more sporadic than in GC. GC worked continually in three shifts, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, all year long. They are a monitoring unit. RV is more of a response unit that works on demand, or in response to GC. The building that housed all the paranormal assets looked like any other high-tech office building in California. Dress for work was business casual, and dress code was enforced even among the, um, 'creative' types that worked there. Though some administraters were worried this could have a negative psychological effect on the assets and reduce their performance, the place was a function of the US government.
As I said, the unit was departmentalized. Friendships with people outside your department weren't permitted, though acquaintenceship is a better was to describe our relations. Intra and inter-departmental dating and fraternization rules were enforced. They were similar to the rules we had in the military about relationships that crossed the chain of command, except these rules extended horizontally as well as vertically. Though we had a common lunch room, the discussions there were never about shop. One of the reasons my wife and I left our employment there is because we wanted to take our relationship to a level that was not permitted as long as we were employed there.

Though RV was the 'on-demand' unit, and sometimes demand was non-existent, I had to maintain a minimum amount of RV activity per week simply to meet department standards. Even though my superiors gave me very high ratings for my abilities, I was not interested in furthering my career at the department, which would have required me to be a salaried employee who works there full time. I was going to school, and employment as an asset was providing me with that opportunity. My superiors knew about this and I never once ever withheld a secret or a motive from them. Some of the paranormal assets who worked for IA were what we later termed truthsayers. While public confidence in truthsayers remains low, IA had total faith in their accuracy.

A lie detector can be beaten but a truthsayer cannot be beaten. IA never once employed a lie detector during my screening process for employment or during the random interviews conducted to check if I was abiding by my non-disclosure agreements. What they did use was a retirement-aged lady who looked and dressed like a librarian, or her in conjunction with a much younger female. The truthsayer sat with the interviewer and never took her eyes off me. Falsehoods can be stated by an individual without that individual knowing it's false, either through an unconscious protective method or failure to accurately recall memorized information. During my initial screening process, which took several interviews, I told several falsehoods unconsciously when asked questions about early family life and some very personal information. When I told these, the truthsayer would give a barely perceptible nod or adjust her posture, at which time the interviewer would ask me to think about the statement I'd just made. The truthsayer's perception of unconsious falsehoods forced me to face some very difficult facts which drudged up completely repressed emotions.

The day-to-day operations of RV and GC had many similarities. RV had part-timers like myself and full-timers who manned shifts. The part-timers liked myself were employed to check the veracity of full-time results. Any group can develop ingrained weakness and self-supporting delusions, especially in the world of RV, where observations can be influenced by the will of the observer due to the quantum nature involved. Our methods for RV'ing were a combination of learned and trained techniques, and while the tools we used were not mandated, their usefulness was unquestionable. We used sensory deprivation tanks to facilitate the mind-body disassociation. GC used these as well. If you've ever seen the movie "Minority Report" there are similarities to the structure of the operational departments - paranormal assets using sensory deprivation to enhance their abilities, and intelligence experts monitoring the assets and using the data.

My first use of sensory deprivation tanks came in my RV training classes. Of course, sensory deprivation had been employed by me before, but with the benefits of the US government funding the systems, there is no comparison between laying in a sleeping bag or a bed in a quiet environment, and lying supine in a soundproof, lightproof, horizontal tank on about 10 inches of saline solution. The SDTs were manufactured by an internationally recognized medical equipment company and came in a few different models. They were perfectly sterile and the solution temperature was matched to the natural body temperature of the individual using it. They also had air temperature and humidity controls. The temperature of the air and water would change to match the biorhythms of the individual using it to maintain maximum sensory deprivation. In deep relaxation, the body tends to cool down.

Much of the formal training I recieved concerned biofeedback-learned methods of quickly putting my body to sleep while maintaining consciousness. Eventually I got to the point that I could perform four quick inhalations, and then a long exhalation. By the time I completely exhaled, I was at the maximum point of relaxation my mind and body could achieve. The lucidity of the astral consciousness when the body and mind are fully asleep in a completely sensory deprived environment is nothing short of phenomenal. However, this can fool people into believing they are objectively witnessing things that are not objective. As I stated before, the astral experience is quasi-objective, quasi-subjective. Much of my work was performed to provide objective comparison to stated results of the full-timers. Other functions of my work were basically fill-in for full time vacancies from illness or vacation, or to help out when demand was extremely high.

A lot of the rest of the training concentrated on helping us learn how the human mind unconsciously deals with emotions. The goal was to train people who were conscious of how they were responding and feeling to social stimuli and personal relations. This was also a screening process to weed out people who are looking to develop their psychic abilities as a means of self-differentiation to feed a starving ego. I still love the phrase "You are not an individual little snowflake" from the movie "Fight Club," because it's identical to what our counselor said over, and over.

Paranormal assets are not using abilities that make them real-life X-Men, and are imminently replaceable. Everyone has the ability to disassociate their consciousness from their mind and body. While certain physiological brain configurations seem to be a factor, motivation and correct application of technique are the biggest factors for developing ability. Physiological brain configurations are also a factor in low-self confidence, high self-confidence, imagination, aggression, intelligence, and just about every other personal identity trait, just as is environment and upbringing. Just look at athletes, some are naturals, and others like Larry Bird who are somewhat physically ungainly but practice until the point they transcend physical limitations. Despite predisposition, all have to work to be great.

Though I personally have always had an interest in the paranormal and as I said previously can remember birth, time in utero, and parts of my previous life, I also lack traits I admire in other people.

The third portion of the training concentrated on RV technique. My self-training concentrated on the popularly-termed 'astral projection.' I was to learn that the two are not synonymous, but differ in many ways. The people in the New-Age crowd selling themselves are telling people 'you can be special if you learn my special technique.' They are full of #. The US doesn't have to provide disinfo about its use of the paranormal because there are more than enough independent snake-oil sellers doing that on their own.

Operations or training operations were never defined. I still have no definitive idea what the value of my observations was. The only thing my superiors told me was whether or not I was doing a good job, and sometimes they told me I was doing a good job when I thought I was doing terrible, and vice versa. I learned to not 'think' but to observe and only observe.

When I'd check into work, security was progressive. At first you have the reception area which identified the building as that belonging to a financial analysis group, and the first floor of the building did in fact contain the offices of a financial analysis group, albeit one that analysed finances for US intelligence! Our operations department was located in the sub-levels of the facility, and our administrators, training offices, etc. were located on the second floor.

When I'd go into work I'd go to the cellar, as it was called, through the elevator. Access to the cellar was controlled by building security who physically recognized assets through a closed-circuit video camera. Once you reached the cellar, to get into operations you performed another retina scan at the same time that you placed your right palm on an palm scanner. This was besides the security guard physically recognizing you.

The only door I ever entered in the cellar was to my department through magnetic keycard. The doors were all labelled simply with numbers and I never asked anyone what the numbers meant, though I eventually learned which one housed GC. The RV department had its own locker rooms, showers, recreational area, smoking room, and of course the operations room. Typically, when I showed up for work, I met with my department counselor for a mandatory chit-chat. Then, if operations didn't need me just yet, I'd wait in the rec room and read, browse the net, watch the tube, whatever. When it came time to perform, I'd change into a speedo, shower up, and go to the SDT in robe and flip-flops and a swim cap. There was a control desk at which the RV operators sat at their computers with two-way equipment that could communicate with the assets in the SDTs, and phones to send info to administrators.

The equipment I brought into the tank besides a speedo and a swim cap was a dry marker stylus. The SDT opens like an oven and there's red light on inside. An operator helps you in if you need. You grab the handle on the top inside of the hatch and go in feet-first. The operator puts an ECG sticky on you so. Then he'd secure the hatch and you'd check in with the operators through two-way commo setup. They also had a thermal camera for use by the operators. Human bodies sometimes do freaky stuff in the SDTs and when you're outside them you can hear people sometimes laughing, crying, or talking when they lose control and fall into delusional states. Operators would just wake them up. It happened to me a few times and I onced watched the thermal camera replay of myself carrying on a one-sided conversation with my father and talking like a three-year old.

Controls for the tank were to your upper right behind a panel and included the tank light controls and a small TV screen through which you could see your operator while talking to him or her, or the operator could show you information relating to your mission.

Typically, I'd crawl in and get setup, and then talk to the operator. He'd flash grid coordinates on the screen and I'd jot them down on my stylus a few times as a mneumonic method. The marker and eraser attached to the stylus with velcro strips. The stylus had a magnetic backing and I'd put it on the tank roof. I didn't always recieve just coordinats, but also time references, none of which surpassed 'one month from now, forward,' or 'one month from now, behind.' Then I'd turn off the tank lights and it was go time.

After putting my mind and body to sleep and entering the state of 'deep' I mentioned earlier (though SDT deep is a whole different state, much deeper than normally attainable) I would float up out of the SDT just to confirm I was in the astral plane, and make sure I hadn't fallen asleep and was truly dreaming, which I've done before. This is conducted by asking myself "Am I dreaming?" and trying to manipulate the environment by phsycially moving the plastic blocks that were placed on top of SDTs for this reason alone. It was a trained technique. If my hand passed through them despite concentrating on moving them, then yes, I was in the astral state.

It was here in the control room that I first ran into the astral form of a paranormal employee in IA. But more on that another time.

Once I was in the astral plane, I would then will myself to the coordinates I'd memorized. The total disassociation provided by the SDTs allows you to witness things in much better clarity. Earlier I mentioned that my experience as a photographic interperator helped me later. It wasn't because I was good at identifying weapons systems, though, it mostly was because of the security clearances I had been granted. When you RV, you do not interperate anything. What you do is observe. Whenever you think you are witnessing something you recognize, you dispell recognition and mental process and simply witness.

The things I witnessed were hilarious, mundane, scary, or interesting. My first missions were very mundane, mostly just benchmarks, I'd say. Then things picked up.

What I would do is as soon as I returned to my body and pulled myself back awake (there were some difficulties with this due to the SDTs, more on that later) was open coms with the operators and grab my stylus from the roof. There were usually more assets operating than operators to coordinate with so I might be put on hold. If that was the case I'd immediately write down my observations and sketches on my stylus. When describing things to the operators I'd draw them on the stylus. If the mission was over, I'd evacuate the tank and immediately start describing my observations to one of the artists, whose talents were so good their renderings looked like drawings straight from my memory. The artists worked between departments and we didn't talk much about anything but my observations.

The reason US intelligence is interested in RV'ing is the ability to surpass time and space and view that which can be hidden by conventional means. Accuracy of RV is more in doubt among the population than it is in the intell community associated with the phenomena.

The things I witnessed ranged from the mundane, such as public places and landmarks, to bedroom scenes involving people of interest, to military weaponry. The most terrifying things I witnessed was the physical and mental torture of men, women, and children.

I will try to get more information about the GC department, but the essentials that I know of are that it contained assets who did not RV, but were capable of monitoring the psychic soundboard of the world, and could alert the administrators to specific events, which were then reconnoitered by the RV'ers.

[edit on 25-9-2004 by taibunsuu]

You always describe your experiences in the past tense, so would it be correct to imply that you are not involved in those government activities anymore?

And if you are not, do you still use these abilities that you acquired? For what purpose?

Any more info??

Was a very interesting read, please provide more info..

Certainly some very interesting reading here ;-)

I am always very unsure about the accuracy of what I see. How much is literal, how much symbolic, how much purely imagined? Without some form of feedback to be able to learn to differentiate, progress is always going to be slow ;-)

Originally posted by taibunsuu
By: Anonymous

What is the source of this? I don't mean the author, I mean, where did yo get this from, from the author? Or some intermediary? Is there any reason to think that these report is credible?

You always describe your experiences in the past tense, so would it be correct to imply that you are not involved in those government activities anymore?

The author answered this as he still works for the government, but not in this respect any longer.

I'm curious on the source too...didn't come up on google at all or some other quick searches...

Good find...and I too would like to hear more. This jives alot with Dan Sherman's descriptions of methods used regarding "paranormal" projects of the government....and the author's attention to detail is amazing...

Interesting, given how easy it is to test whether or not these are lies (by having them remote view, for instance, one of my labs.) Anyone who can view the moon site can peer into one of my labs just as easily.

By: Anonymous


Byrd: Interesting, given how easy it is to test whether or not these are lies (by having them remote view, for instance, one of my labs.) Anyone who can view the moon site can peer into one of my labs just as easily.

As you've probably read if you have done research into RV is that the results from any particular individual are fuzzy at best. The best way to run an experiment on an individual is to propose for example a location given in numeric code. If you suggest for an individual to view a lab, the results are already somewhat fixed.

Before I go further, please realize that anyone with an interest in what either astral projection or RV'ing is like can explore the phenomena with pretty much the same results I've been describing.

The 'fuzziness' of remote viewing or observations made during AP is something I mentioned before. It's a quasi-subjective, quasi-objective state. The way that a large intelligence operation employing paranormal abilities operates is an inclusive aspect to a larger intelligence gathering organization. For an assignment, multiple assets are employed to view a location, and the observations possibly cross-checked with other assets. The results of the assets lead to intelligence possibilities, or probabilities.

Checking out Byrd's lab, as an assignment for an intelligence organization using paranormal assets would first consider the penetrability of the area and the nature of the lab. Let's say for example it's in a hostile country, and the organization has no public information and works on entirely undisclosed projects, and there's no ability to get information from the people who are employed there or from lateral or the hiearchy in which the lab functions.

The only information the organization has about the lab is satellite imagery. From this the organization deducts certain information, say the place has no smokestack. You see that it has no shipping and receiving area or dock and access to an electrical grid. It has no satellite dishes. Well, without redundant comms it's probably not an intelligence joint. Without large shipping and recieving and smokestack, it probably is not forging anything.

Then you have the input from your paranormal group. They conducted a mission with five assets who spent a total of 25 man hours surveying the location. From this main group, three guys describe a building of somewhat varying description but generally what the picture represented. one guy describes wilderness, and one guy describes a residential area. Of guys that described the building best, two describe the juicy parts of its interior to have technicians in protective gear working with tubes and vials and live animals (monkeys and dogs) in various states of health. One guy observes a computer lab. The guy that described a residential area observes a hospital.

Then you have two guys or gals from an experimental group observe for a total of six man hours to validate results. One observes what's best described as a veterinarian medical facility, and the other describes a chemistry lab.

Now you use the aggragate results of the assets combined with satellite imagery to help decide what's in Byrd's lab. The fact that most of the assets described a medical research facility of some type may be a clue that may be of great help in tying the picture together.

Like I said before, I don't have much of an idea as to the accuracy of my observations. This isn't an instance of a super-secret squirrel spy organization, but a means of realizing the most objective results from the operation.

If I were to RV a location you provide to me, I might come up with results that make you sah 'hmmmm,' results so improbable that you scoff, or results that make you say 'wow.' Now if we have seven RV'ers combined go there on multiple missions, the probability of hmmmm, or wow results from the combined observations could go up. So, I really doubt that I'm going to knock your socks off no matter how many times I visited a locale you requested. Like I said before, you can learn the exact techniques I used for RV yourself and decide whether or not RV'ing provides accurate information and is an actual phenomena.

The value of any intelligence operation is often compared against cost analysis. For the total costs of the mission described above we might be talking $7,000 which includes overhead and assets. As far as I understand, this is considerably cheaper than even repositioning a spy satellite for an overflight.

Sarakho: You always describe your experiences in the past tense, so would it be correct to imply that you are not involved in those government activities anymore?

That's correct. As I stated and someone mentioned, I no longer work in the intelligence community. I do still work in a non-intelligence sector of the US government, though. I haven't practiced RV'ing for a long time. The interest simply isn't there. Curiousity was a strong factor in my initial enthusiasm for AP. When you get to the point that the experience of leaving your body is a mundane chore, and you actually find people who are enthusiastic about it after doing it for 10 years to be annoying and dull, you've probably explored everything the phenomena offers. After I left, I was so sick of AP that I was really, really turned off by anything paranormal-related for years.

Nygdan: What is the source of this? I don't mean the author, I mean, where did yo get this from, from the author? Or some intermediary? Is there any reason to think that these report is credible?

The only way you could prove its credibility is from government disclosure. Generally, non-disclosure about intelligence projects comes when there is no longer any benefit from keeping a project secret. For example, by the time the F-117 stealth fighter was no longer a secret to concerned parties, details of the project were revealed to the public. At that point, the stealth fighter is actually creating another benefit: patriotic pride and validation that government black budgets are actually putting taxpayer money to work.

The F-117 is a concrete concept that people can touch, see, feel, and gawk at. Everyone realizes the benefits of an aircraft undetectable by radar, because everyone realizes what aircraft and radar and aerial surveillance and laser-guided bombs are. Not everyone knows what the paranormal is, and the results are not concrete. I don't know to what extent the government still pays for paranormal-derived intel, or if any new breakthroughs in its development have occured. I do know the projects are still ongoing. Like I said, cost-benefit analysis of any intelligence-gathering operation is a factor in whether or not that operation is continued. If I recall correctly, the SR-71 project at some point was considered to be too expensive for the results it provided, but then after the first Gulf War that was briefly reconsidered.

How to practice Astral Projection

A lot of people have PM'd me soliciting advice for how to practice Astral Projection, and described difficulties that have continued for years. They also mentioned they were very young.

Well, as I described in my first post, I wasn't able to AP until a certain point in my life, and I believe that point was when my body and mind reached the level of maturation considered adulthood.

Remember that a male body typically develops until about age 25 and a female body a few years before that. While observations about the body's development are easily obtained, not as much is known about how the mind develops. The connections of mind-body-spirit are only being studied by objective science now. Though the nature of spirit can be felt intrinsically, it's true objective nature is still a mystery. Disassociation from the body and mind may be limited by physiological developments. That's the only advice I can offer that I haven't found in what literally amounts to tons and tons of written literature on how to practice AP.

Anonymous, are there differences between clairvoyance and remote viewing, if there are, what are they?

You said to look into Byrd's lab would be a long, time consuming and fuzzy process, while clairvoyants claim they can do it quickly and clearly. What is your opinion on this?

[edit on 30-9-2004 by Indigo_Child]

Again, what is the source taibunsuu, are you posting for someone who are in contact with, seems like it, or is there somethng else going on? And, obviously, whoever is the RVer, he/she did something to convince you, taibunsuu, that he/she is credible, can you share that with us? Or can you speak as to their credibility? Couldn't this person just get their own account? Or are they in a different location than you? If the gov was the one who was going to find them, they would just check your computer records tho no? Or your phone records too right?

Yes it would be good if some of those questions were answered.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Anonymous, are there differences between clairvoyance and remote viewing, if there are, what are they?

You said to look into Byrd's lab would be a long, time consuming and fuzzy process, while clairvoyants claim they can do it quickly and clearly. What is your opinion on this?

[edit on 30-9-2004 by Indigo_Child]

By: Anonymous

It's not exactly a long and time consuming process if you have the labour, materiale, and methods at hand.

As to the fuzziness, the methods I mentioned are helped to draw an analysis.

My opinion on clairvoyants or self-declared clairvoyants, since every human being has access to these skills, is that they are largely self-promoters. When performing under the Scientific Method, their 'quick and clear' results are not as keen as they advertise. I'd love to see that guy on TV who communicates with the deceased loved ones of audience members work in an enclosed setting.

I'm not sure of the overall value of the collected intelligence drawn from paranormal assets. However, when you have a budget of tens of billions, perhaps someone feels that paranormal intelligence results are worth a tiny percentage of those costs.

Ngydan: Again, what is the source taibunsuu, are you posting for someone who are in contact with, seems like it, or is there somethng else going on?

As to the source of the information and credibility, the only comment I'll make is By: Anonymous. I think the reasoning for that, both personal and otherwise, I've already explained. Taibunsuu is the AOL screen name and ATS account name for someone in Wilkes-Barre, PA. He is not Anonymous.

(Edited to address Indigo_Child's question on professional clairvoyants.)

[edit on 30-9-2004 by taibunsuu]

When performing under the Scientific Method, their 'quick and clear' results are not as keen as they advertise. I'd love to see that guy on TV who communicates with the deceased loved ones of audience members work in an enclosed setting.

Is that not because psychic phenomena is a free-response phenomena, and the scientific approach introduces many limitations and impedes on their creativity and creates subconscious expecations, thus impairing their performance.

Interesting you should mention, mediums, they attest that their information is not psychic, but spiritual. As I have seen mediums perform live in psychic circles, television and churches, if their information is genuine, and in most cases it is convincing, then they certainly can quickly and clearly present the information.

The last medium I saw performing at a spiritualist church, who was a guest medium, was almost 90% correct with his messages for every sitter. Some messages were so specific, like full names, addresses, personal memories, that it would be beyond chance to guess.

If mediumship is a real genuine phenomena(which it most probably is) is it because they are better psychics(self-ability), or is it really because they are tapping into a greater consciousnes(spirits, spirit guides, angels, universal) Again, with modalities of healing, some attest to use their own bio-energy, while others tap into universal or Earth energies.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child

When performing under the Scientific Method, their 'quick and clear' results are not as keen as they advertise. I'd love to see that guy on TV who communicates with the deceased loved ones of audience members work in an enclosed setting.

Is that not because psychic phenomena is a free-response phenomena, and the scientific approach introduces many limitations and impedes on their creativity and creates subconscious expecations, thus impairing their performance.

By: Anonymous

I'm not a clairvoyance expert. I was just offering my opinion on them in response to your question. My opinion is that any paranormal ability displayed by one person can be learned and duplicated by another who has the motivation to learn, and that professional clairvoyants are mostly using paranormal abilities to seperate people from their money. When they're doing that over the matter of a deceased loved one, it's absolutely disgraceful.

Earlier I stated there's tons of written literature about AP. Well, on another post, TheBandit795 showed the website www.saltcube.com... I think that's the best collection of info I've seen about AP and I had no idea there was so much great info on the 'net about AP, and all free as well.

Do you have to be in the military to do what you were doing and get paid for it?


do you have any more information on the GC? Sounds very interesting.

What about the truthsayers?


What's your opinion on god or any divine being?


also that 25 year old thing is something the author of above black says.

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there was also a person on this board who said they tried to remote view into area 51 and came across resistance. this person felt like they had surprised the people that were protecting it and they also felt like there was more than one person, almost hive mind like. i can't remember whoch member though.

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