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Sumerian Cuneiform translation help

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posted on Sep, 14 2004 @ 10:20 PM
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Does anyone know of any resources where I can find how to translate an english phrase in Sumerian, and then into cuneiform writing? I can't seem to find anything to that would help



posted on Sep, 14 2004 @ 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by mdcclxxvi
Does anyone know of any resources where I can find how to translate an english phrase in Sumerian, and then into cuneiform writing? I can't seem to find anything to that would help

Here are a couple of sites that may get you pointed in the right direction:
www.sumerian.org...

www.rosettaproject.org...

What are you working on, if you don't mind my asking?



posted on Sep, 15 2004 @ 09:24 AM
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I have a friend who has some translation keys. I don't know if they'll help but I'll get him to send them to you this afternoon if you want.



posted on Sep, 15 2004 @ 12:37 PM
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That'd be helpful. I'm trying to translate "Keeper of truth" (or something simliar) into sumerian, and it's proving me difficult than I thought it would be.



posted on Sep, 15 2004 @ 01:36 PM
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just a wild guess:- Hope the diacriticals come out OK..

ki�ib-g~�l: seal-keeper/bearer ('seal' + 'to have').
n�g~-gi-na: truth

n�g~-gi-na-g~�l?

where g~ == nasal g (with a tilde on top of it) and hypens are syllable breaks.

You may want to terminate it with a personal ownership ending if you mean "I am the truth keeper" so it would be [truth to-have I]

Probably OK as a he is the "truth keeper" or this is the "truth keeper"

Could mean anything though in an historical sense.. Nature of the beast. Some of the syllable combinations can be a little obscure in final meaning.

But you'll have fun anyways I'm sure.. Cant look up the glyphs at the moment. Enjoy.

Interested in other possible ways of translating it.



posted on Sep, 15 2004 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by uss_eldridge1943
just a wild guess:- Hope the diacriticals come out OK..

ki�ib-g~�l: seal-keeper/bearer ('seal' + 'to have').
n�g~-gi-na: truth

n�g~-gi-na-g~�l?

where g~ == nasal g (with a tilde on top of it) and hypens are syllable breaks.

You may want to terminate it with a personal ownership ending if you mean "I am the truth keeper" so it would be [truth to-have I]

Probably OK as a he is the "truth keeper" or this is the "truth keeper"

Could mean anything though in an historical sense.. Nature of the beast. Some of the syllable combinations can be a little obscure in final meaning.

But you'll have fun anyways I'm sure.. Cant look up the glyphs at the moment. Enjoy.

Interested in other possible ways of translating it.





Assuming "n�g~-gi-na-g~�l" to be a working translation (and I thank you for helping me out) I just have to find some place to learn to write it in Cuneiform



posted on Sep, 16 2004 @ 11:57 AM
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xoomer.virgilio.it...

Might be able to help you out.



posted on Sep, 16 2004 @ 02:14 PM
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Do whole words translate, or am I supposed to be going syllable by syllable, because I've found syllables of the words, but not the whole words.



posted on Sep, 24 2004 @ 11:33 AM
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Anyone know if that's how the translation is supposed to work, or have any other pieces of helpful information?



posted on Sep, 24 2004 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by mdcclxxvi
Anyone know if that's how the translation is supposed to work, or have any other pieces of helpful information?


I really don't think that this is the best place to learn how to read and translate ancient sumerian cunieform. Try sci.language and some language specific groups. I'm not saying 'stop posting' or anything, but if you are seriously interested, a serious and specific group is needed.



posted on Sep, 24 2004 @ 01:34 PM
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Welp... the words and how you translate them might depend on which time period you're looking at. There's some stylistic differences in the language and the way it's written over the 2,000 years or so of history that it spans. Furthermore, cuneiform was used to write a number of different languages: Semitic Babylonian, Indo-European Persian, Akkadian, Eblaite, Elamite, and a bunch of others.
www.ancientscripts.com...

First thing you have to know is how the words are written... and the ancients did some interesting and odd and artistic things with writing -- and the way they wrote words also changed:
www.fortunecity.com...

Depending on the time period, it might have been written top to bottom or left to right or rotated in a certain order:
www.ancientscripts.com...

Here's a lexicon:
www.sumerian.org...


The BEST way of doing this is to go to a library and order a cuneiform dictionary (Interlibrary loan) of the time period you're interested in. There is (as is pointed out) no direct way of saying what you want (I think the "seal-bearer" is a good suggestion).

You might try Snell's Workbook of Cuneiform Signs, but there's no guarantee it will contain the words you want:
www.amazon.com...=pd_sim_books_3/10

Sayce also has a grammar/dictionary/syllibary of Akkadian cuneiform:
www.amazon.com...=pd_sim_books_1/102-0555862-6129715?v=glance&s=books

As Nygdan suggested, you do need to look at specific language study groups since there's so much variation in what cuneiform is used for. Pick your culture, then your time period... and THEN you can figure out who to ask about what.

In any case, don't give up on this just because it's difficult. You'll be surprised what you learn along the way!



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 08:07 AM
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You can also try this website:

www.virtualsecrets.com...

I'm not really sure if what you're looking for is there, but it sort of helped me out...

Good luck!



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 08:38 AM
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I was wondering, if this was somehow connected...

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 09:48 AM
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A very long time ago (early 1980’s) I looked into this and found a professor at Philadelphia Museum had the most information. He may be dead now but I think one of his books was something like: "Life began in Sumer".

One important element in this task is to translate the whole tablet as the verb/noun relationship may have as many as 16 different meanings. Without multiple paragraph translation the translator may miss the point totally.

Shem for instance may be a means of travel, it could be an ox, may be a tunnel, may be an aircraft, all depends on the usage and meaning of the words surrounding it.



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 11:04 AM
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History Begins at Sumer by Samuel Noah Kramer

My copy was printed before ISBN numbers but a 88 edition has ISBN-13: 978-0812212761

A good overview of Sumer but now dated by new discoveries of earlier villages and cultures.

From Amazon:

"Kramer ranked among the world's foremost Sumerologists. . . . The book will interest both the scholar and the general educated reader.

Which civilization had the first system of law? The first formal educational system? The first tax cut? The first love song? The answers were found in excavations of ancient Sumer, a society so developed, resourceful, and enterprising that it, in a sense, created history. The book presents a cross section of the Sumerian "firsts" in all the major fields of human endeavor, including government and politics, education and literature, philosophy and ethics, law and justice, agriculture and medicine, even love and family.

History Begins at Sumer is the classic account of the achievements of the Sumerians, who lived in what is now southern Iraq during the third millennium B.C. They were the developers of the cuneiform system of writing, perhaps their greatest contribution to civilization, which allowed laws and literature to be recorded for the first time.


[edit on 13/7/08 by Hanslune]



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 06:07 PM
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posted on Nov, 19 2008 @ 05:56 PM
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go to sumarian websites



posted on Nov, 19 2008 @ 06:12 PM
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this is my go to site for that I' 'm going to bookmark the others you all have posted ,Rock On


sumerian tranlations and stuff



posted on Nov, 26 2008 @ 01:13 PM
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www.upennmuseum.com...
I found this website. Maybe it'll help you. ((hint: type one word at a time.))



posted on Jan, 3 2009 @ 11:09 AM
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hi what is this languages?
www.postimage.org...
tank you very much .



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