Chemtrails spraying is making us sick

reply to post by fleabit


if you claim that there is testing done on a daily basis, why don't you show the test results and prove it.

and IF there are test results out there, who knows if they're accurate.. anyone who works for the government could put out false information/ false test results to just get the public to stop discussing the topic and move on.

It's less dense than air and it remains up there. It's hydrophobic so it doesn't show up in rainwater. And i forget the third one.

Boy, I'm on a roll tonight. hehe.

And I'm calling B.S. that those tests are done everyday.

edit on 30-1-2012 by Ghost375 because: (no reason given)

Sorry, but if something was sprayed so that in was inhaled by a human or animal, it would travel that last couple feet to the earth. If it were strong enough to affect a human, it would definitely show up in sampling. It's ludicrous to suggest something is sprayed that affects humans, but never actually hits the soil or water. It would certainly show up - testing that is done is much like many tests of this nature - it detects things WELL before it would be damaging to plants, humans or animals.

And yes, those tests are done daily. We have crates of just plain old dirt that show up in our storerooms.. drums and long boarded up samples. But more important are the samples that are ongoing, and there are a ton of them. I was just looking at a map of an AFB last Friday, and all the wells and sampling sites.. it was around 15. Those are 24/7 testing sites, in one area. And these are anywhere a client needs testing. We have these at Rocky Mountain Arsenal. We have them at dumps and old landfills and old munition sites. Wells, creeks, parks, businesses.. they are everywhere, because the EPA are a bunch of bastages, and they LOVE to find companies for being out of compliance. You can google that, too. You can find plenty of stories of huge fines to companies who did not comply. They don't like paying those fines. They pay companies like ours good money to make SURE they are in compliance.

They just sprayed the hell out of the sky over near st louis, mo today. I actually watched one of these planes(previous event) spraying out one of these chemtrails for a little while as it went NW then the chem stopped coming out of the plane for a period of time then started up again. all that went thru my head was," i wish i had my digital camera right now"

Youtube - /watch?v=APRGgQ53Qu0 Chemtrail discussion on coast to coast am

if you claim that there is testing done on a daily basis, why don't you show the test results and prove it.

and IF there are test results out there, who knows if they're accurate.. anyone who works for the government could put out false information/ false test results to just get the public to stop discussing the topic and move on.

It's kind of ironic - the EPA is the reason companies are forced to spend a lot of money on testing, remediation, etc. (it's also doubly ironic that the government is the REASON for the testing in large part - the military is the biggest offender of EPA regulations in the past, and reason so many laws were written). The EPA is a government entity. It seems sort of counter-intuitive for them to force companies to clean up, while they are spraying tons of chemicals on cities.

I have posted results - on this site.. just do a search. Widely ignored - people don't like when facts conflict with their conspiracy theories.

You don't understand - the government isn't involved whatsoever in the testing. Companies like mine do the sampling - they test (we have some equipment that costs millions that tests soil), and they also sends samples to different, independent labs. It is critical that not only us, but these labs are accurate. Chains of custody are used to ensure accurate, verifiable data. If there is any variance between us, and these labs, it raises red flags. The government has nothing to do with the test results.

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I agree with the thread OP.

reply to post by fleabit

I was not saying you are making yourself sick.

Oh, alright. Sorry, dunno how I got that from this.

If you are sick, it's because you are sick. Or because you are making yourself sick.

At any rate, how do you know that the equipment you use is top-rate enough to catch any and all specimens or contaminants that may be in the water/soil/etc...due to chemtrail fallout? Let's just entertain this theory for a moment, that's what this site is for yeah? If chemtrails were the brainchild of the top echelon aka TPTB, would YOU and other companies like you really have the equipment necessary to detect viruses/bacteria or other pathological agents? Does your equipment have the capacity to detect such organisms that also utilize biofilms, effectively blending into their surroundings, so much so that modern medicine even finds it difficult to detect them when doing blood tests? (Lyme Disease is a great example of this, also happens to be a government created disease with the intent to be used in biological warfare). What if something like that was in these chemtrails that spread across the sky and drift to the ground and into our water, would you and your men be able to detect it? If so, can you tell me how? I'm truly curious

Here.. since you asked, just a bit of a previous post about our tests, from our own validation reports:

I've posted before about what is tested.. but here you go, a bit of a list.. it's not even complete. This I pulled from a single validation report. From one test on a site in a major city, that is tested multiple times in a single day:

Trace metals:

Arsenic - Barium - Cadmium - Chromium - Chromium - Lead - Selenium - Silver

Volatiles and semi-volatiles by GC/MS:

Trichlorobenzene - Dichlorobenzene - Trichlorophenol - Dichlorophenol - Dimethylphenol - Dinitrophenol - Dinitrotoluene - Chloronaphthalene - Chlorophenol - Methylnaphthalene - Methylphenol - Nitroaniline - Nitrophenol - Dichlorobenzidine - Nitroaniline - Dinitro-2-methylphenol - Bromophenyl phenyl ether... There are over 100 more semivolatiles on this single soil sample. I just don't want to type them all out.

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The reports of course, are dozens of pages. Measurable amounts are well before any damage to humans. More chemicals that you probably realize exist. I'm friends with the head chemist in our office, and I've even asked him point blank about this sort of thing. I told him I enjoy conspiracy theories, and explained the chemtrail phenomena to him. He thought it was hilarious. He felt point-blank, if there were dangerous chemicals being sprayed en-masse over cities, we would know.

Originally posted by COconspiracyguy
He says in the old days he could leave a tool outside and the next day it would be fine.
He says now a tool left will rust overnight.

I don't want to come off as rude, if it is in fact rude to make an observation, but how do rusting tools provide evidence of chemtrails? We are talking about chemtrails, correct?

At any rate, how do you know that the equipment you use is top-rate enough to catch any and all specimens or contaminants that may be in the water/soil/etc...due to chemtrail fallout?

I guarantee it does. I am not a geologist - I'm a network guy. So I don't know the specifics, but I do know that for example, one analyzer on a military base we use for testing, cost close to a million bucks, and tests ALL known chemicals - natural or man-made. So yea, ok.. perhaps they are using some alien chemical no one has ever heard of..

Actually.. not even that. Because everything shows up. They analyze -everything- in a sample. If there were unidentifiable chemicals, it would find those as well. Red flags from that? You betcha.

reply to post by fleabit


So...you're not a geologist nor a biologist nor a chemist, but you're a network guy? What does that mean exactly? Would you say your database is more complete and competent than the FBI's? As noted in this excellent article from NaturalNews:

The third theory is that Morgellons is an infection of nanotechnology. Several independent studies on Morgellons fibers taken from patients have shown that the fibers consist of both inorganic and unidentifiable materials. One group of fibers was sent to a forensic scientist at the Tulsa Police Crime Lab in Oklahoma for analysis. After analyzing and cross-referencing the morgellons fiber with the FBI`s national database, it was found that it did not match any known fiber within the database. Learn more: www.naturalnews.com...

So, if indeed it was some government created pathogen (not chemicals) in these trails, what then? If the FBI doesn't have it on record, why would you? Also I suggest you read the full article I provided, it's a good condensed source of info, also touching on the chemtrail connection. Cheers

So, if indeed it was some government created pathogen (not chemicals) in these trails, what then? If the FBI doesn't have it on record, why would you?

I've read about this on more than one occasion. Obviously this is not the common complaint here - the majority of people who supposedly have been made sick has not been from this rare condition. I wouldn't put it past being caused by bug bites as suggested, where the bugs got it from munching on crops with the newer pesticides. But regardless, if this was in the soil, even if it could not be identified, it would still show up, and again, raise red flags. There is a difference between showing up in tests, and identifying it. When every molecule of a soil sample is analyzed, this still shows up. There are not masses of unidentified pathogens being found in soil, water, ground water samples, sorry.

You'll need to dig up something a bit less obscure if you want to make a case. People claim entire CITIES are being fogged over and poisoned. "Everyone" they know is getting sick. I don't think so. And it's certainly not from this.

reply to post by fleabit


okay so if you're right, then what do you have to say to all the people that claim they've personally witnessed the planes spraying these chemtrails? are they lying? are they just confused?

or maybe it's not a chemtrail, it's something else... so then what would it be?

i'm open minded to both sides, i'm just lookin for answers here

reply to post by fleabit

I've read about this on more than one occasion. Obviously this is not the common complaint here - the majority of people who supposedly have been made sick has not been from this rare condition.

It's not as rare or obscure a condition as you may think. The people getting sick are having lots of respiratory/throat problems and flu-like symptoms, which are all prevalent in Morgellons as well. Not all people get the 'bites/lesions', but many, many people are now chronically congested, have difficulty breathing or are just flat out sick.

But regardless, if this was in the soil, even if it could not be identified, it would still show up, and again, raise red flags. There is a difference between showing up in tests, and identifying it.

Like I said previously, it wouldn't be identified, NOR would it show up if my theory is correct. IF it is utilizing a biofilm to mimic the molecular components and structure of its surroundings, then it would not show up as a contaminant, nor would it be identified as one, correct? Is it really so outlandish to believe such a thing is possible? If you were an elitist bent on population control, what easier way than creating a pathogen that can be spread via air/water, but can also slip right past the people who are supposed to be checking for this stuff?

Is it really so outlandish to believe such a thing is possible? If you were an elitist bent on population control..

Seriously?

How many people have died as a result of this evil secret poisoning? .0000001%? Maybe? Their population control methods suck. They've been supposedly doing this for decades, and they still manage what.. to give people some sore throats and respiratory problems?

And no.. it would still show up. If they really are managing to slip some super secret, wicked undetectable chemical or "bio-screened" agent, they are doing an incredibly cruddy job of actually accomplishing anything by doing it. What's the point?

reply to post by fleabit

Seriously? How many people have died as a result of this evil secret poisoning? .0000001%? Maybe? Their population control methods suck. They've been supposedly doing this for decades, and they still manage what.. to give people some sore throats and respiratory problems?

Pretty snarky, I appreciate the wit but think outside the box man. I'm well aware we haven't been having mass die-offs of humans as of yet, but what about the mass die-offs of birds, bats, bees, and fish that were related to a type of fungus (undiscovered until then) affecting the respiratory systems of the poor animals? I posit to you, what if this were just the "weakening" phase to compromise immune systems, and unleash the REAL nasty bug they've got sitting in a lab once the time is right?

And no.. it would still show up. If they really are managing to slip some super secret, wicked undetectable chemical or "bio-screened" agent, they are doing an incredibly cruddy job of actually accomplishing anything by doing it. What's the point

I still am curious as to how EXACTLY you know for sure it would still show up, when you've told me you're a network guy (?) and not a geologist/biologist. And if they are managing to slip the super secret wicked undetectable chemical past you and people like you, they're doing a perfect job of accomplishing exactly what they want; infecting us with water and food grown from soil (not to mention the GMO's) that professionals like you tell the public is safe to consume and use.

Again, this is all speculation and I'm genuinely interested in hearing your perspective on all this.

Originally posted by TheBassistant
reply to post by fleabit

 

I'm well aware we haven't been having mass die-offs of humans as of yet, but what about the mass die-offs of birds, bats, bees, and fish that were related to a type of fungus (undiscovered until then) affecting the respiratory systems of the poor animals? I posit to you, what if this were just the "weakening" phase to compromise immune systems, and unleash the REAL nasty bug they've got sitting in a lab once the time is right?

And this is supposedly evidence - you thinkiung up a good story??

Mass wildlife dieoffs have been occurring since Moses was a slave in Egypt - yuo need to start reading a bit more current affairs rather than just conspiracy theories!

And if they are managing to slip the super secret wicked undetectable chemical past you and people like you, they're doing a perfect job of accomplishing exactly what they want; infecting us with water and food grown from soil (not to mention the GMO's) that professionals like you tell the public is safe to consume and use.

Not only that, but they're feeding the same stuff to the same biologists and doctors and researchers who are saying it is safe - so are they all being fooled too, and only conspiracy theorists know the real thtruth?

Again, this is all speculation and I'm genuinely interested in hearing your perspective on all this.

It's not even speculation - it's just making up a story to feed paranoia.

Originally posted by COconspiracyguy

There's an ole timer that lives pretty close to me that is kind of a junk guy, and he believe in chemtrails. I'd guess he's close to 80.

He says in the old days he could leave a tool outside and the next day it would be fine.
He says now a tool left will rust overnight.

That's because the tools you have today are Chinese imports made from a poor quality steel.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

And this is supposedly evidence - you thinkiung up a good story??

Never said it was evidence, merely theorizing based off what I know and feel.

Mass wildlife dieoffs have been occurring since Moses was a slave in Egypt - yuo need to start reading a bit more current affairs rather than just conspiracy theories!

I am an avid reader and like to form my own opinions based off what I know. Also, wasn't there something about a plague from the skies resulting in the mass animals die offs in Moses' Egypt?? Thanks for the assist!

Not only that, but they're feeding the same stuff to the same biologists and doctors and researchers who are saying it is safe - so are they all being fooled too, and only conspiracy theorists know the real thtruth?

Sure, they could be, or some could have the antidote or be immune to it, we don't know for sure now do we? Once again, I never said that I or conspiracy theorists know the real truth, you just seem to have a real problem with people having IDEAS and THEORIES about things that don't add up at all.

It's not even speculation - it's just making up a story to feed paranoia.

I hope by now I've made it clear it is speculation, who's making up a story? The only paranoia I see is yours.

Hey mate, I live in Sydney and have been filming these trails for a while now. I'm quite concerned myself.
It has been the most overcast summer i have ever seen. Not to mention weird cloud formations, as if HAARP might be at play. Also i filmed a dot next to the sun that had a rainbow spectrum, aparently its called a "sun dog"........probably just natures trickery, however ive never seen one before. If you want to see any of my chemtrail videos in sydney my username on youtube is vbmongoose, i wouldnt know how to post something here.
Rain Rain Go Away
Come Again When The Jets Spray

I do notice that whatever they are, contrails or chemtrails, they definitely ruin a perfectly nice blue sky.