A little poll for registered US voters.

reply to post by captainnotsoobvious


The "crash" part, or the "cause" part?

I hope I'm wrong, in any case. Just not all that optimistic as I look around...

Great topic...

If RP is still in there somewhere, I'll vote for him. If not, I just don't know. Obama, Romney and Gingrich all scare the hell out of me.

reply to post by captainnotsoobvious


None of the above. Obama has pushed country so far down the rabbit hole we will never see daylight. The only thing he has done is follow Bush's policies. Why do you think some call him the white Bush. He has been seen with the Bush elite more than some Bush's he just entertained them at the White House this week. Mitt and Romney will just be white Obama.s if they get elected. Have you not learned its not politics and its not the person. Its the Agenda. People get out your fantasy world. Get your head out of the sand and being a mouthpiece for the New World Order. They owe you nothing and thats is exactly what you will get. NOTHING from these monsters but a really bad time.

Paul still has a shot at it, however long. Probably write-in for Paul. That most likely would not elect him and would more likely assure Obama gets in again, but sadly that appears to be the lesser of evils at this time. At least Obama has mostly stayed to his promise of no federal interference with the states' medical mj decisions. Newt called for a death penalty for them at one time. Likely Romney no better.

reply to post by captainnotsoobvious


I'm going with B.Obama. One reason is in my signature.

What are you doing up at 4:30? I hate it when that happens.

Either writing in Paul or not voting at all.

I won't participate in a game of "lesser" evils or cast a pointless partisan vote for a label.


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Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by emberscott

 

Umm... RP is a little bit too old for ballet.

So there is an age cap for the election ballet? If not, your statement is a personal opinion that has no real basis.

Originally posted by emberscott

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by emberscott

 

Umm... RP is a little bit too old for ballet.

So there is an age cap for the election ballet? If not, your statement is a personal opinion that has no real basis.

Possible he can get on the ballot, but pink tutus are not his style. No ballet for Paul. Sorry, I don't think he'd go for it. Jogging or hiking perhaps.

If you're still puzzled then look up "ballet" in the dictionary.

en.wiktionary.org...
Noun
ballet (plural ballets)
1.A classical form of dance.
2.A theatrical presentation of such dancing, usually with music, sometimes in the form of a story.

Derived terms
ballet dancer
ballet flats
ballet music

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by MrWendal

 

I... I could be rude here, but will try not to be...

The reality is that Paul has no chance... he doesn't poll well in any of the major states (he's not even trying in Florida for instance). He's even said he doesn't expect to win.

So, if that's not obvious to you, then... you're gonna be in for a series of pretty depressing events.

Sorry, man, it's ain't happening.

Well, saying he has "no chance" and proving he has no chance are two different things. I realize he didnt "win" South Carolina, but his number improved dramatically from 2008. Back in 08 he only got about 2-4% of the votes in the Primary. Now he did what? 14% or so? give or a take? Such an increase, and in such a conservative area such as South Carolina, tells me he has a chance.

Especially when looking deeper into the 2008 numbers. There were several States where Ron Paul came in 2nd on Super Tuesday and 3rd and even beat out Mitt Romney in many States. So if we consider the increase in States like Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina where in 2008 Paul did not do very well at all... that tells me he does have a chance. Anyone who thinks Paul is going to drop out before Super Tuesday is an idiot. He didnt do it in 2008 and he wont do it now.

You mention Florida.. a State that he said long ago he would not focus on because of the size of the State and how much money it would cost to campaign hard. Take into account that Florida (as well as several other States) lost HALF of their delegates for moving up the date of the Primary and it makes sense why he would not go all out in Florida. Believe it or not, with some of the States that lost delegates due to changing Primary dates and moving them up, States like Puerto Rico will actually be more important than States like Florida because Puerto Rico will be worth 23 delegates. Now compare that to New Hampshire which is supposed to be so important. New Hampshire, who also moved their Primary date ahead and lost delegates as a penalty, is only worth 12 Delegates. I believe Florida will be worth 50 delegates, but if delegates are awarded based on Congressional District... it's a game changer. Watch this video, it does a much better job of explaining this insane process, and once you understand the insanity behind the process, the insanity of Ron Paul's strategy starts to make sense. Much like most of Ron Paul's policies, which is why you always hear supporters say, "You have to do some research to understand it".


Ron Paul is just not "that guy". What I mean by that is, think through different times in your life and people you have met. Sometimes you meet people and you just don't care for them. It's not anything they have done or even said, you just give them a glance and nothing about that person at all stands out to you and makes you the least bit interested in them. Other times you meet people and you click. You just get them. Newt is "that guy". You just kind of get him. Ron Paul is not "that guy".

I can't wait to see what people will say when Ron Paul wins Nevada, and don't think he "can't win" that State. In 2008 he came in 2nd. It is a generally accepted fact that once people throw their support behind Paul, they don't change their minds. They tend to stick with him...and his numbers have been on the rise. It is simple math. Here is a list of all Candidates numbers in 2008 by State.
Primary and Caucus results 2008

To count Ron Paul out now after 3 Primaries is foolish at best. His Campaign focus is on getting Delegates not winning Primaries. Take a peek at this article about Iowa from Business Insider.
Ron Paul may have secretly won Iowa

And where does this Strategy of winning delegates come from? What evidence is there that this Strategy works?

Well it has worked before. This Campaign Strategy worked very well in 2008.... by Obama. Here is an article on Huffington Post that does a really good job of breaking down the Strategy, why it works, and what it means even in the event that Ron Paul can not win the Nomination. You see, even if Paul does not win the nomination... he will still walk away a winner. You might want to actually read this article if you read no other links I post.
Ron Paul's Delegate-Focused Campaign Strategy Came From Obama 08'

this is why I moved. If leadership that reflects the American people is elected or given the chance to be elected I will come home and help. To pay taxes to them and help them in their twisted game of world chess, I would rather miss everyone I know and everything I love. It sucks, but I needed to get away from the BS. When I can stomach more of it and actually find myself in a position to do something meaningful towards my goal of a free America for its people, I´ll return. Until then, I will gain strength.

If paul is elected, I am on the first flight back!

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I too left the US for similar reasons. The election of Paul would be a great sign things are changing back and the country being restored to its previous glory. Being away and experiencing life elsewhere for a number of years though, I doubt I'd be on the first flight back. It maybe would be time for a visit though.

Originally posted by Erongaricuaro

Originally posted by emberscott

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by emberscott

 

Noun
ballet (plural ballets)
1.A classical form of dance.
2.A theatrical presentation of such dancing, usually with music, sometimes in the form of a story.

edit on 29-1-2012 by Erongaricuaro because: (no reason given)

So I got it right, good for me. Your attempt at being condescending is as ineffective as your attempt at humors. Had I intended humors I would have phrased it "on the election ballet ballot". You clearly perceive this event(s) as something more than a "show and dance".

Which leaves me to believe you hope to gain something that will somewhat relieve your discontent with being, offering you some semblance of peacefulness, in which you can possibly find some meaningful order in your existence.

I, on the contrary, hope for something chaotic to occur. Something to shatter through the delusions. My vote is cast against the illusion of hope that.

It's like leaving a sweet on the ground for the ants to revel. Then when they have gathered together enveloped in blind delight, dripping a single drop of pine oil atop the sweet and watching them scatter in utter chaos.

So in the in you will call it an election ballot and I will call it an election ballet. Fair enough?

LOL how is it pretty clear he wont get the nod? There have been three primaries with three different winners. One is was a winner take all. Paul received second place and delegates in one of them (he was screwed over in Iowa). There is nothing even close to clear about who will or will not get the nod.

Is this thread sponsored by Fox News or something?
47 states and several territories left to go and you think something is clear about this election?
Mitt and Gingrich?? Santorum won a state too (even though he isn't meant to be thankfully).

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Thank you, awesome post.

No one could figure out why I was so happy that all three states were taken by different people even though none of them were by my candidate. I'll let them steal votes from each other and hope Ron Paul keeps picking up second place delegates while they trade first places. Then he will win a few states and people will start to think a bit different. Santorum will likely drop. Then who knows. Maybe Paul will do something, maybe he wont. It is far from over though.

Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
reply to post by casenately

 

I too left the US for similar reasons. The election of Paul would be a great sign things are changing back and the country being restored to its previous glory. Being away and experiencing life elsewhere for a number of years though, I doubt I'd be on the first flight back. It maybe would be time for a visit though.

It is interesting you say this.

I have a very good friend who left to teach in South Korea. After being there for a couple years he said he would never come back. When I asked him why his response was, "It's all a lie. Now that I have left I know what real freedom is". He went on to tell me stories of things that have happened and things he had seen and how if these things happened here he would be arrested, fined, tossed in jail. These were not things that were a big deal, just ordinary things that happen. As an example, one of them was something as silly as being really drunk and peeing behind a building. In South Korea, as he told the story, the Officer saw his friend. Told him to hurry up and he walked away. It was no big deal. Now in the USA, you will be arrested and you could very possibly have to file as a sex offender. Most of his stories involved drinking. Another example he gave me was a time when he had WAY too much to drink and he was acting stupid. Police put him in a cab, as he was running mouth, told the cabbie to take him home. That's the end of the story. In America, land of the free, you will be arrested for being drunk in public, disorderly conduct, and a whole array of other charges for the exact same thing. He also went on to talk about cost of living, health care, and a whole list of things. I couldn't deny who was living a better life.

Since the introduction of the TSA, my friend will not come home unless he absolutely has to. He hates it here and literally counts down the days until he can leave. It's really very sad to see, especially since I have known him for so long. Prior to leaving, he was one of those guy who would tell you real quick how the US is the best country in the world. He is teaching in Thailand now, and even during the flooding he was happy he was not here and said if he were to drown, he would drown happy.

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I got fined for Peeing, playing a radio and violating a curfew that DID NOT exist.

I know the feeling. I didn't get arrested because I am a quick talker and can reason with the devil himself, a skill I learned in the USA just to get by.

It is sad, but I have not lost hope. My parents were immigrants to the USA and I grew up there apreciating the great things about it. Everything I love is there. Everyone I give a damn about is there. I am just biding my time until I can do something about it rather than be labeled an anti-American by my own people for trying to make it a better place. That to me is the most un patriotic thing to say to a fellow citizen, and a cowards way out of facing the facts. I will return in glory to reclaim my life. Untill then I grow stronger.

Here is something else to consider...

Why everyone is saying Ron Paul is finished because he may not win Florida. He has been ignoring Florida and focusing on Maine. Here is one article discussing the size the crowds he is drawing.

Paul rallies big crowds

and he is picking up endorsements.
L.L. Bean heiress back Paul - CNN

Maine State Rep Aaron Libby who was also a delegate in 2008 and was inspired by Ron Paul to run for Maine State Legislator.

Originally posted by Elisha03011972
C because A & B are all the same vote

I was thinking A & B will likely have the same effect too. Assuming Mitt & Newt don't implode on their own and leave Paul as the nominee I think I will go with D and not simply lose my vote. What D will be though I don't know at this point. I said after the last election I would not be voting for "the lesser of two evils" again but would simply vote for the best candidate. No matter now you spin it both A & B are at best voting for "the lesser of two evils".

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Maine is soooooooon inconsequential.

reply to post by emberscott


In all fairness, I let it pass when I read your initial post. You had two others respond about your mis-spelling and you did not catch or understand their humor. After you responded again I replied to let you know what it was you missed, repeating their joke for you then giving you the dictionary definition. That is hardly being condescending.