Experiment: What would YOU do?

Let them do them, hows it got anything to do with me?

B, then C.

I'd both tell the store about it, then confront the couple. If they were joking they'd have their chance to explain when I confronted them. If they were serious I'd take their picture and/or get the number of their car and make the next few moments of their lives miserable.

I'm a guy, 53, and never watched a game of football in my life, outside of kids games. Watching kids sports is great. Adult sports (while being a back belt in traditional Karate) are just not my choice of entertainment. BUT, I'll pay the highest price for 50 yard line tickets to watch Mike Vick play a whole game, in the snow, in his underwear with no pads, helmet or shoes. And if/when he gets hurt, they have to let him lay there in the snow until the game's over. I know, it still wouldn't be enough punishment for him. But I could come up with more if I wanted to waste the time.

I guess the cats out the bag (no pun) I'm an animal lover. Dogs have been my business for 13 years now and I love every second with them.

d) other. I would approach the couple and ask them if they were interested in doing some a walk thrus in a movie production I was in involved in, no porn or anything like that. I would then ask if they were going to buy the puppy as might be able to use in movie also.
So at the end of the snuff video they stared in, I would let the puppy finish them off, clean up mess.

Those pit bulls are hell on those bones, gone in no time.

Any resemblance to real people is strictly coincidental, all caricatures are all fictional.

buy the dog and bring em back after hangin out with em fer ah week.
but then aye would pry have fallen in love with the beast myself.

Originally posted by Vandalour
reply to post by seabag

 

I would not say anything.. but I would kick their asses, just walk over there and SMACK !
and when they are lying at my feet, I would call the police and tell them what I just did...
People that abuse animals for fun are the lowest of lowest and I would get agressive the instant I meet them

Hmm yeah real smart. So you go sucker punch them and then call the police and the police come and book you for assault to which you have no justification as the dog people would likely tell police that they were joking around before they were punched in the face by some thug.

So it doesnt fix the problem, you risk your own safety and leaves you with a court date and possible criminal record but hey at least you got to be a big man.

Let get real here, confonting the people directly as a 'concerned citizen' with no authority is not going to achieve a positive result as if these people are going to allow some stranger to walk over and tell them what to do.

I hate being in situations like this, but I think I know what should be done, and what I would do. Let me first explain how I view the situation. One may like to think that they are not involved, and therefore should do nothing.

However, this is not true, as you are involved, even if you did nothing but overhear this conversation. There are similar circumstances to this that I would choose to ignore, and the main time I would get involved is when there is something dangerous, or a person or animal's life or property is at stake. So I would not act on all crimes, but it depends on the scenario.

I think the worst idea, besides doing nothing, is to approach the person directly. This person is not going to have a sudden change of heart because you confronted them. Therefore, upon hearing this, I would IMMEDIATELY get the manager or whoever is in charge of the store, and let them know that they should NOT let any dog be adopted by this person or people.

Would I call the police? What is the point, considering no crime has been committed? If I KNEW for a FACT that the police would investigate this person's residence, at the very least, then I would contact them, but I doubt that would be the case, and the police would probably do nothing.

After I had kept them from adopting an animal, I might just follow them home, unless they lived out in the sticks like I do. I would rather have the police involved, but again, it would depend upon if I knew for a fact what would or would not be done. So if it happened to me today, I probably wouldn't have gotten the police involved.

The thing is though, that you KNOW there are animals being hurt, and simply preventing this one adoption, while it helps keep that particular dog safe, does nothing to prevent the other dogs that are being fought from getting hurt or killed. The fact that it is illegal doesn't bother me as much as the fact that animals are being hurt and killed. This is why I said I may just ignore certain things I overhear, even if illegal, but not when it is something I deem dangerous.

So reasoning it out, I suppose I could get their license plate number after doing my best to keep them from adopting a dog, and with what I was thinking above, I suppose the police SHOULD be involved, as this is the only way that one could KNOW that they have done everything legally possible to stop these atrocities that are occurring.

To recap, the best scenario would be:
* Immediately locate whoever is in charge of the store/animal shelter, and let them know what you know.
* Wait for person/people to leave, and get their license plate number.
* Either follow them, if they stay in a relatively populated area, or immediately head to the nearest police
station to relate the events that have occurred.

I do not see what more could or should be done, LEGALLY speaking that is.

make whatever purchase was there to make and leave .
not my concern what they want to do.

reply to post by seabag


C: Confront.

Walk up to them and say, "Would you put your child through the same thing for money?"

reply to post by Vaxar

Depending on the situation around me i would first see about laying the guy out hard if i could get away without being arrested. Simples. 

If not... I would call the lads in for a little hand and follow the guy after he left with the dog. We would get hooded and booted. The guy and whoever else in the house would be waking up with some sore ass legs after we set about them with a few hammers etc. 

He would be 1 dog down, i would be 1 dog up. 


I would first of all speak to an employee about the situation and if they didnt bother about the little dog i would resort to above options.... and probably go mental at them aswel. 


What did you do OP?

That's pretty hard core, bud.

I would have quietly notified the manager and gone about my business. If the store chose to do something that's on them. It's really none of my business. 

It's important to keep in mind that no crime was committed. Saying you're going to do something to a dog is not the same as actually doing something to a dog. You can't be found guilty of a crime you didn't commit. 

reply to post by ballisticmousse

reply to post by seabag 

Again, one should only notify the local Police or law enforcement auhorities as there may be nothing illegal in their intended activities on numerous grounds:- 

1. How can you be sure that one is not a woman? 
2. How can you be sure that one of them was not BORN a woman? Technically, under the law, your sex does not change in most legal authorities, such as in the UK. If born a woman, you remain LEGALLY a woman all your life, no matter what surgery you have performed. 
3. They could be nutters. 
4. They could be friends/brothers etc who happen to be getting married to women on the same day and be attending the store together in an attempt to obtainiing a discount for bulk (two) purchases. 
5. They could be intending on getting married in a country/state where gay marriage is legal with the exception of Canada under the current law where gay marriage is invalid if those involved regularly reside in a place where gay marriage is not legal. 
6. This could be a state where it is not recognise by the law, but is not illegal... it is simply technically a non-event. 
7. The men concerned might both be holders of a CSQ and be about to become Canadian imigrants and take up legal residence in Canada ten minutes before the ceremony. 
8. They could be undercover Police officers 
9. They might be mystery shoppers checking up on a store clerk's ability to handle difficult situations. 
10. They might be practical jokers. 

...Just for starters.

I agree with you...you can't be sure. 

It's just puzzling to me that some people would confront someone over suspicion that the people MIGHT do something wrong to a dog. Some would even go as far as to publicly rebuke this couple. Then they justify it based on a moral position. However, many of those same people would rebuke others for publicly speaking out against the gay couple even though they ALSO did so because of a moral position. 

My point - people will only accept the wrong doing of others (confronting someone in public even though its none of your business) for moral reasons if they share the same moral view as the confronter. 

Example: If I love dogs and think it's morally wrong to fight them, I might ignore the fact that you confronted that person and humiliated them in public because we share the same moral justification for doing so.  

I would mind my own business. I see people dealing drugs on the street, I walk to the other side and mind my own business. I see people getting beat up, I walk to the other side of the street and mind my own business. If I think intervention is necessary I will call the police. But I've learned the police many times do more harm than good, whether they do so on purpose is up for debate, many times the rules they have to follow cause the problems, sometimes their ignorance causes the problems, so my rule of thumb is, don't call the police, unless it's a murder.

I don't intervene in something where I will put my life at risk especially since I have a family and two small boys that need me to take care of them. Do I help strangers? Of course. When I was living in the States a drunk illegal alien ran his car into my parked car on the street. I ran out and found him lying bloodily on his steering wheel. I immediately pulled him out of his car and brought him in the house and called 911 and helped bandage him up. I ended up loosing my car because of it, he didn't have insurance, and never even came around to thank me for helping him out, but I still did the right thing. I've stopped my car in the middle of high traffic to help an elderly man who was lost and confused in the middle of the street in a busy intersection, grabbing him by the arm and stopping the rude traffic to walk him across the street. I help where I can, but I bud out when it's none of my business.

This is beyond a simple "constitutional" dilemma, animals are living things not simple objects like a computer that I could care less if they kicked in. I'm not a part of PETA but seriously C all day, unless I got overworked and decided to call the cops and get real up in their business. They just better hope I don't get Sarah McLachlan in there and start blasting IN THE ARMSSS OF THE ANGELSSS.

But hey, I'm the guy who just carried a spider out of the house because I don't even like hurting insects or arachnids...except grasshoppers. Grasshoppers can die. (traumatized as a child)

reply to post by JiggyPotamus

I think the worst idea, besides doing nothing, is to approach the person directly. This person is not going to have a sudden change of heart because you confronted them.

Why is it the worst idea besides doing nothing?

How about approaching the person and finding out (i) if they were serious about what you heard them intending to do with the dog they were adopting and (ii) if they were aware it was illegal in the state to use dogs for that purpose.

If the person answers 'No' to the first, there isn't much to do anyway. If the answer are a 'Yes' and 'No', you assure them that it is illegal and they should refrain from doing so and in any case you would inform the store owner of their intent if they didn't withdraw the request for adoption. If the answer are a 'Yes' and 'Yes', you go ahead and inform the store owner and probably any other agency that can keep tabs on them without violating any of their rights.

You fulfill your moral obligations without making assumptions and violating anyone's rights.

Wait until they leave, follow them out side,copy the license plates and call the police with an anonymous tip on a dog fighting ring.

reply to post by seabag


First of all...HELL NO, I'm not very confrontational as you can tell ...but!!!!!!!!!



Those are my two pits...I swear, if I ever hear of anyone wanting to fight such a dog in this day and time, they're done. I'm telling and I'm not a teller (but I'ma tellin' that jerk to go #### off first). When it comes to this, that's where I draw the line.

Let me overhear dog fighting of any dog and I'm kicking someones's A$$ personally! Very serious about that statement too.

Not on my ears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I take this personal.

Anyway OP, why such a strange Thread?

Please don't start an Ad Campaign against Pit Bulls. Sooooooooooooooooooooooo.... not cool
People like this that give this majestic breed a sour name....This CRAP needs to stop NOW, because Shatas & Chako say so!

reply to post by seabag


in response to what i would do - nothing. each to there own, in this scenario.

I'll be unpopular with this reply but it's the truth. I wouldn't do anything. I would never be involved in dog fights myself, but they're nowhere near the top of my list of immoral things going on in the world. I'm not even sure they're immoral (I could be persuaded I just honestly haven't thought about it in-depth).

Side note: I don't believe inaction is immoral, so that may have a lot to do with it.

I would do nothing....its a dog.....and they do make a fine meal in a pinch.

People forget that rover is still an animal...much like people. You take people out of the equation and they revert back to their primal instinct...in which the little toy dogs would be cannibalised by the bigger breeds.

Honestly I wouldnt care....people are animals too....to place value over a lower life form above your own....well......you wouldn't want to see what they do to strays in the rural North.

The local town flips the bill for shot shells and pays $10. a head in some cases....

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by seabag

 

With the only proof being an overheard phone call, I'd probably do nothing.

1. They could be joking.
2. Even though they talk of an act that is criminal, I have no proof to present to the police, store manager.
3. I could confront the people involved, but all they'd have to do is visit another store.

That's about the most honest answer I could give.

I don't know anyone who would go out of his/her way to joke about this. Most people take the issue seriously. Even if they were the type to do this, I still don't see anyone joking about this over the phone...maybe a single comment or so just to impress their friends. Even still, you're likely to get kicked out of the store if you joke about animal abuse in a pet store.

Let the store know, and if you really cared, let the other shops in town know too. It'd only take a few minutes. As for individuals who sell pets, they are often more strict about who they sell or give animals away too than pet stores.

Dog fighting is illegal in my area, and I believe it to be immoral.

I would listen to them without seeming to pay attention, and I'd get their tag number and take a picture of their car. Knowing me, I might even follow them home and get their address.

Then I'd tip someone off.

Catch the whole ring. That's what I'd want.

I've been around people into this - man they are seriously low life- I'm not big on ratting on folks and wouldn't do it but these dogs suffer and it makes people turn into animals that participate. Most stuff I'd mind my own business, but not this. Not ho'in out little girls either. It's about on the same par, IMO.