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Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by fulllotusqigong
There's always something. A not-so-convincing case that high fructose corn syrup is worse for you than sugar
After eight weeks, three groups of rats weighed essentially the same – the chow-only rats (462 grams on average), the 24-hour HFCS rats (470 grams) and the sugar-water rats (477 grams). But the rats that were able to drink the HFCS solution for 12 hours each day weighed in at an average of 502 grams, a difference that was deemed statistically significant.
So HFCS available only 12 hours each day is bad but any HFCS at a 24 hour convenience store is OK.
But the both the male HFCS groups had elevated triglycerides, as did the 24-hour-HFCS females.
The females, although they didn't show nearly as wide a difference in weight gain, had much more significant differences in their fat mass (but only for the 24-hour-a-day HFCS group).
When the study was extended to six months, it turned out that it didn't matter much if the rats had 12-hour or 24-hour access to the high-fructose corn syrup - by week 3, the weights of both groups had diverged from the controls.
Originally posted by daskakik
Originally posted by fulllotusqigong
Haha. You said you stopped reading after he compared soda to drinking a pizza. If you read further he compares soda to "sweet and sour" Chinese food. He says the salt hides the sweetness in Chinese food just as it does in soda.
So the sodium is both to make the person thirstier and to hide the sweetness.
I realize you're practicing willful ignorance by not listening to the science lecture -- so I have to repeat it for you. haha.
But the amount is not enough to do either. Do you realize what a small amount of salt is being discussed. If you are repeating what was in the vid then I guessed right it was the same old inaccurate info that pops up over and over.
I already posted info where the Princeton group's results are suspect. I just drank a made up glass of water with 55 mg of salt took a sip and couldn't even taste it. Added a teaspoon of sugar and tasted quite sweet. You keep listening the the experts though.
Here's info on the dish
2 tablespoons of this sauce has 350 mg of sodium and 13 grams of sugar and even that anount of salt doesn't cover the sweetness in the sauce
Originally posted by maestromason
Whoa! just when I thought I have seen it and heard it all!
Education people is the only way to keep yourselves well-informed.
Some people watch too much television and try to compare fiction with real-world events and that is just not happening. Coca-cola is alright in moderation for as with anything too much can be unhealthy or kill.
Obesity has several factors including heredity at play so fingering Coca-cola to be the culprit is ignorant and unfounded hear-say. I stand at 6' 3" and weight 265lbs of muscles not fat. When I was younger I was one of those buck 'o' five guys but grew up eating very well and exercising. I very rarely drink Coke or eat any of their products and do not crave sugar.
Blame lack of exercise and lifestyle changes if anything. We Americans live fast lifestyles and we are constantly on-the-go with little time to properly east and exercise.
Next thing you know someone will post up a thread saying that Coca-cola has manipulated the "fat gene" and has turned it on for all Americans who drink or consume Coca-cola products.
Now enter the hormone leptin. Leptin is one of the main hormones regulating appetite. I like to state that leptin lowers your appetite. Several recent studies revealed a diet high in HFCS increased the level of triglycerides, which blocked the brain’s response to leptin. Therefore, if your body becomes insensitive to leptin, and in fact, develops a leptin resistance, the brain will continue to signal your body it needs more food and continue to store fat. Judith Altarejos, Ph.D. a researcher at Scripps states “obesity results when the brain becomes ‘deaf’ to the leptin signals.” If your brain is continuing to tell you to eat, you will have a hard time losing weight.
Originally posted by lke123
How do you think people will feel after drinking the original coca cola formula that includes five ounces of coca leaf per gallon of syrup. Maybe you feel like new after drinking that.
They say that Coca-Cola is coc aine-free, but how do you extract coc aine from a coca leaf?
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In the United States, the Stepan Company is the only manufacturing plant authorized by the Federal Government to import and process the coca plant,[30] which it obtains mainly from Peru and, to a lesser extent, Bolivia.
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Not just sauce.
When was the last time you went to a Chinese restaurant and had sweet and sour pork?
Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by fulllotusqigong
The quote wasNot just sauce.
When was the last time you went to a Chinese restaurant and had sweet and sour pork?
Well I tested it and don't see a difference so you keep on believing youtube videos and I will trust my senses. I posted info that shows the other side to the hyperbole that exists in this type of videos for whoever stumbles upon it.
Take care.edit on 28-1-2012 by daskakik because: (no reason given)
And if you take that sugar in liquid form — soda or fruit juices — the fructose and glucose will hit the liver more quickly than if you consume them, say, in an apple (or several apples, to get what researchers would call the equivalent dose of sugar). The speed with which the liver has to do its work will also affect how it metabolizes the fructose and glucose. In animals, or at least in laboratory rats and mice, it’s clear that if the fructose hits the liver in sufficient quantity and with sufficient speed, the liver will convert much of it to fat. This apparently induces a condition known as insulin resistance, which is now considered the fundamental problem in obesity, and the underlying defect in heart disease and in the type of diabetes, type 2, that is common to obese and overweight individuals. It might also be the underlying defect in many cancers.
Originally posted by Infrasilent
Oh sure... Big Soda is TRYING to kill you...you wouldn't be caught dead drinking the sugary concoction just because it tastes good...
Originally posted by k1k1to
reply to post by fulllotusqigong
what about all the fat people that arent "genetically" pre disposed to be fat...and they dont drink any sodas and are still fat?
i know a couple of people who are about 50-70 lbs overweight, and theyve never touched a soda in their lives..
i dont thing sugar is the only culprit for obesity
Originally posted by Infrasilent
Fact: Coke is not good for you.
Fact: Coke makes a lot of money off you.
Fact: Coke has no interest in killing you.
Fact: You are free to abstain from Coke.
After all, Coke is JUNK FOOD. Why is this guy telling everyone what they already know? Coke isn't really food, its a play thing, and it's meant to taste good. If stupid people decide it's a substitute for healthy food, WHO CARES!? It's not as though grocery stores REFUSE to carry healthy items-- it's that stupid people only buy junk food-- and thus become even stupider.
Oh sure... Big Soda is TRYING to kill you...you wouldn't be caught dead drinking the sugary concoction just because it tastes good...
Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by ANNED
According to this Relative Sweetness Scale it is sweeter than sucrose.
edit on 28-1-2012 by daskakik because: (no reason given)
My friends and I did a highly scientific double-blind taste test using HFCS Coke and sugar Coke. The tastes were VERY similar, though all of us could tell a difference in a side-by-side comparison. But we couldn't tell which was which. In the end we determined that the HFCS has a very slight saltiness to it and it very slightly less sweet. To us they basically tasted the same though I enjoyed the HFCS version slightly better. If they weren't side-by-side though, I couldn't have told them apart.