MY Experiences & Perspective From 50 Years of Studying the UFO Phenomena

reply to post by seeker65


Perhaps you could explain to me the logic of the following . . .

EVERY OTHER

value orientation on ATS

can post with impunity and tons of applause

and does

ON EVERY THREAD, AND EVERY POST

It is *IMPOSSIBLE* to post WITHOUT posting out of one's value orientation.

However, by some ARBITRARY GROUP THINK

it is as though the informal consensus of the contrarian/ liberal/ atheist/ agnostic/ New Age/ . . . yadda yadda yadda

OTHER VALUE ORIENTATIONS

HAVE

ARBITRARILY DECREED with great AUTHORITARIAN HAUGHTINESS

THAT

the Christian perspective is to be relegated to the lower hidden cesspools of INTOLERATED hell and never ever heard from again lest some folks' thin-skinned sensibilities be the least bit challenged or jangled.

Welllllllllll, no one I know of is holding a gun to anyone's head REQUIRING them to read this thread.

And, as far as I know, their keyboard scroll and page down buttons on their keyboards still work.

Personally, the above attitude that I'm responding to

is, to me, YET FURTHER EVIDENCE that the

UFO, ET facilitated MSM propagated globalist oligarchy GROUP THINK MEME about

--UFO'S
--ET'S
--RELIGION
--VALUES
etc.

has successfully penetrated the 80% or so of the population that some UFO researchers have asserted are vulnerable to such mind-control, propagandized manipulations.

Fascinating . . . and sad.
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reply to post by BO XIAN



Most of your posts here on ATS show that you are brainwashed with hate toward muslims. You could study the UFO phenomena for 1000 years and you would still not reach the right conclusion because of your narrowmindedness. You have no chance of understanding extraterrestrial life,I mean, you even struggle with understanding other human beings.

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by seeker65

 

Perhaps you could explain to me the logic of the following . . .

EVERY OTHER

value orientation on ATS

can post with impunity and tons of applause
-snip-
it is as though the informal consensus of the contrarian/ liberal/ atheist/ agnostic/ New Age/ . . . yadda yadda yadda
-snip-
christian perspective is to be relegated to the lower hidden cesspools of INTOLERATED hell and never ever heard from again lest some folks' thin-skinned sensibilities be the least bit challenged or jangled.
-snip-

Oh god, here we go..

Originally posted by jed001
this is all really great stuff i am still reading all of it , but if i am not christian like so many millions of people on earth do i get a pass on all of this ?

LOL.

GENERALLY SPEAKING:

1. There is no free lunch.

2. There are no free passes from the contingencies, boundaries, criteria, JUSTICE/MERCY dynamics that God has set up.

3. We are ONLY FREE "IN JESUS" who paid for our freedom with an incalucable Price.

THAT FREEDOM

affords us unlimited fulfillment, growth into all we can be, were designed to be, truly long to be.

All else is . . . less than,

deception,

delusion,

death,

imho.

And, it is the UFO/ET meme, charade, deception that is

particularly designed to white wash the death into a picture of hedonistic unlimited pleasures . . .

even though their behaviors indicate that they are dealing in tyrannical manipulations, massive genocidal death etc.

The cattle and people mutilations are NOT for the purpose of increasing our picnic thrills on a Sunday Afternoon.

Nor are the forced rapes.

Nor are the people parts in vats of slurry.

reply to post by Intrud3r


Obviously that would explain why

I gave a Muslim rent free share of my room for more than a year.

And why we are still in loving contact.

However, I fail to see how that post relates to the topic.

You are free to hold the opinion that I'm incapable of understanding the UFO, ET phenomena after 50 years of study and many thousands of pages of read documents and many hundreds of hours of face to face discussion with many well informed folks.

Clearly mileage may vary.

When your rant is over . . . and you are alone in the moments before sleep . . . perhaps some hints of truth may leak into your construction on reality. I hope so.

Otherwise, eventual shocks when the MSM propaganda about UFOs/ET's comes crashing down around everyone's ears . . . could be extreme.

You guys are SLAYING Bo as if he is evil incarnate which is ironic all in itself, but the fact of the matter is that we really don't know whats true or not. I don't nessarily agree with a lot of what Bo says but you need not attack him because you BELIEVE in a certain theory. The problem with concrete belief is that there is never room to allow other reason. This issue is so complex and convoluted that all aspects need to be reviewed whether one likes it or not.

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by seeker65

 

Perhaps you could explain to me the logic of the following . . .

EVERY OTHER

value orientation on ATS

can post with impunity and tons of applause

and does

ON EVERY THREAD, AND EVERY POST

It is *IMPOSSIBLE* to post WITHOUT posting out of one's value orientation.

However, by some ARBITRARY GROUP THINK

it is as though the informal consensus of the contrarian/ liberal/ atheist/ agnostic/ New Age/ . . . yadda yadda yadda

OTHER VALUE ORIENTATIONS

HAVE

ARBITRARILY DECREED with great AUTHORITARIAN HAUGHTINESS

THAT

the Christian perspective is to be relegated to the lower hidden cesspools of INTOLERATED hell and never ever heard from again lest some folks' thin-skinned sensibilities be the least bit challenged or jangled.

Welllllllllll, no one I know of is holding a gun to anyone's head REQUIRING them to read this thread.

And, as far as I know, their keyboard scroll and page down buttons on their keyboards still work.

Personally, the above attitude that I'm responding to

is, to me, YET FURTHER EVIDENCE that the

UFO, ET facilitated MSM propagated globalist oligarchy GROUP THINK MEME about

--UFO'S
--ET'S
--RELIGION
--VALUES
etc.

has successfully penetrated the 80% or so of the population that some UFO researchers have asserted are vulnerable to such mind-control, propagandized manipulations.

Fascinating . . . and sad.
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edit on 27/1/2012 by BO XIAN because: left of an '

Easy, junior.

The only thing I was interested in was the one thing you could actually prove, and you proved that you were not interested in giving credence to your own philosophy by putting your own name to it.

That's fine.

If you don't believe your ideas have enough merit to attach your name to them, cool beans, but don't expect anyone to take the PhD that won't even say which school they got their degree from seriously.

Frankly, you sound uneducated. ESPECIALLY in the area of Psychology.

I don't have a problem with you spouting off unsupported claims about God and Aliens.. have at her… but to do so anonymously from behind the shield of Academia is just silly.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Oh god, here we go..

Hmmmmmmmm . . . IF you are contending that

THAT pie chart is reflective of the TRUE percentages on ATS,

THEN

I'd have to conclude that you have little factual understanding of the demographic realities on ATS . . . not to mention the typical dynamics, postings and assertions . . . percentage-wise.

However, I don't see how that relates to the OP.

From my perspective it is just that chart's greater relevance to the American society at large that the

UFO/ET dynamic, meme, strategies, goals, etc. are designed to shred.

It is the authentic INTRINSIC Christians that are somewhat--at least in the spiritual realm--holding the ugliness of the ET/FALLEN ANGEL horrors somewhat at bay.

And, that chart does not distinguish between INTRINSIC vs EXTRINSIC Christians.

And those are as different as night and day.

IT's interesting how much of an un-upbeat avatar you chose.

I can readily infer that Christians are not your favorite folks to relate to.

Interesting.

Well, thank you for bringing the world into focus through the lens of scripture!

Because that is, after all, what you're doing---is seeing the whole world through that particular lens. It's a rather narrow one.

Of course, the Christian's had to hop on the UFO bandwagon and re-script it and recast it through the lens of Jesus and their own theology. I'm Googling The Christian Perspective on UFO's and yes, you're right in line with their thinking. I never knew that Christian's were trying to hijack the UFO issue and I guess I'm just a little shocked.

reply to post by Quetzalcoatl12

You guys are SLAYING Bo as if he is evil incarnate which is ironic all in itself,
but the fact of the matter is that we really don't know whats true or not.
I don't nessarily agree with a lot of what Bo says but you need not attack him
because you BELIEVE in a certain theory. The problem with concrete belief
is that there is never room to allow other reason. This issue is so complex
and convoluted that all aspects need to be reviewed
whether one likes it or not.

WELL PUT.

IT IS SO REFRESHING when someone of a different perspective sees some of the same truth I see.

Why is it that WITH SUCH A COMPLEX set of puzzle pieces and data points . . . folks can think it remotely

wise

to pontificate as thought their knowledge and OPINIONS are as absolutely perfect as could possibly be?

What arrogance! Sheesh.

I personally long ago realized that with so much disinformation and so much complexity--about all one could do--even with the discernment offered by Holy Spirit however often and however clear--the best we could still do was keep some slight running tab on the peaks of the mountains of the mish mash of puzzle pieces.

Nothing better is possible until the realities start to filter out more overtly in daily life.

AND EVEN THEN--given the capacity of such spiritual entities to hide their true natures and motives--it will likely STILL BE confusing to a deceptive charade for months to years later. Things may not be totally clear until Armageddon or after.

imho.

This is particularly a fascinating phenomena, to me.

And, in some respects, it is smack dab in the middle of the whole UFO/ET field.

There's a massive percentage of UFO researchers who buy into the globlist oligarchy meme of the "ET's" as our "space brothers" . . . either threatening us with conquest or offering to save us from ourselves or from the 'evil ET's.'

Those folks

and the globalist oligarchy

seem to be INSTANTLY AND RABIDLY HOSTILE to ANY researchers or media savy reporters, writers, preachers

who

assert the fallen angel/demonic aspect of the ET phenomena.

The disinformation, character assassination, pull-out-the-stops attacks on such a minority view is often relentless, well below the belt, harsh, vicious and sometimes violent.

We observe the same thing on ATS chronically towards the Christian perspective.
We observe the same thing in the society at large by the globalist MSM's propaganda machine.

PARTICULARLY toward Pentecostal and other Christians who believe in modern miracles and in the 2nd Coming of Christ.

And, in Mainland China, it is also those Christians who are most fiercely hounded and imprisoned and tortured.

What's the correlation?

Perhaps the correlation is--BOTH SPHERES are far more accurate about reality than the satanic globalist oligarchy can stand or afford to ignore.

For the UFO ET's as attacking conquerers plus good-cop saviors etc meme to fly well, it can't be the least bit destroyed by the truth.

Interersting.
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Originally posted by Furbs

Easy, junior.

Thanks. I don't get called Jr very often at this age.

The only thing I was interested in was the one thing you could actually prove, and you proved that you were not interested in giving credence to your own philosophy by putting your own name to it.

Uhhhhhh, Nope.

That's YOUR interpretation on what I did and didn't do related to you more or less !DEMAND! re my credentials etc. I merely demonstrated that I was not going to play your game by your rules. Whooop T Do.

That's fine.

Evidently not. You're still fussing and casting aspersions on my character, skills, training and motives.

If you don't believe your ideas have enough merit to attach your name to them, cool beans, but don't expect anyone to take the PhD that won't even say which school they got their degree from seriously.

I gather you are intolerant of folks of my perspective who fail to play your game by your rules.

Those who have eyes to see and ears to hear have always taken my perspective as well as my training and skills plenty seriously for my comfort.

I don't lose a lot of sleep over the contrarians who refuse to do so or who are unable to do so.

Frankly, you sound uneducated. ESPECIALLY in the area of Psychology.

Ahhhhh a snide personal assault. Impressive.

Thankfully, my student evals are tops in the department. More importantly, the thousands of changed lives mean a lot more to me than even the top statistics and embarrassingly positive narrative comments.

No. I'm not anticipating proving such to you.

I don't have a problem with you spouting off unsupported claims about God and Aliens.. have at her… but to do so anonymously from behind the shield of Academia is just silly.

Of course, according to YOUR definition of silly.

Wellllllllllll, thankfully, my training and skills have come in very handy in assessing a LOT of the UFO/ET evidence.

Particularly the personal narratives about personal abductions.

Sometimes the polished presentations of the researchers et al can be less easy to discern confidently.

But the personal narratives are usually not as difficult to distinguish between gross fabrication and authentic personal experience.

Interviewing thousands of clients over 35 years has helped a lot on such scores . . . regardless of your

uhhhh . . . esteemed incredulity.

Originally posted by MRuss
Well, thank you for bringing the world into focus through the lens of scripture!

Because that is, after all, what you're doing---is seeing the whole world through that particular lens. It's a rather narrow one.

Of course, IN YOUR PERSPECTIVE, VIEW it's a narrow one.

From mine, yours is far more narrow and limiting.

Of course, the Christian's had to hop on the UFO bandwagon and re-script it and recast it through the lens of Jesus and their own theology.

"re-script" it?

How is it that you concluded it was "RE-scripted"??? Where's your evidence?

IT seems to me that Enoch goes back a LONG way--WELL BEFORE THE MODERN ET phenomena.

He described a future phenomena that we now are merely observing and noticing that it matches his thousands of years old description.

How is that RE-SCRIPTING?

Seems to me your biases are trashing the reality and

"RE-SCRIPTING" the reality.

I'm Googling The Christian Perspective on UFO's and yes, you're right in line with their thinking. I never knew that Christian's were trying to hijack the UFO issue and I guess I'm just a little shocked.

Hmmm more brazen assumptions and labeling.

How is it that Christians are "hijacking" something a Christian source--Enoch--described thousands of years ago?

We are merely affirming the accuracy of his ancient description.

THA'S hijacking? Sounds like a grossly absurd definition of "hijacking," to me.

reply to post by BO XIAN


Do you think there could be living beings, by some imaginatively understandable form related to what we can know and/or beyond, that sprouted on a planet like ours, in this universe, or galaxy.,. that had their industrial revolution 1000 million years ago, and have exponentially advanced technologically since that point?

do you not think there could be +/- millions of these civilizations?

and do you not think 1 or maybe more could have visited earth, in the past, or currently?

Originally posted by BO XIAN

Originally posted by Furbs

Easy, junior.

Thanks. I don't get called Jr very often at this age.

The only thing I was interested in was the one thing you could actually prove, and you proved that you were not interested in giving credence to your own philosophy by putting your own name to it.

Uhhhhhh, Nope.

That's YOUR interpretation on what I did and didn't do related to you more or less !DEMAND! re my credentials etc. I merely demonstrated that I was not going to play your game by your rules. Whooop T Do.

That's fine.

Evidently not. You're still fussing and casting aspersions on my character, skills, training and motives.

If you don't believe your ideas have enough merit to attach your name to them, cool beans, but don't expect anyone to take the PhD that won't even say which school they got their degree from seriously.

I gather you are intolerant of folks of my perspective who fail to play your game by your rules.

Those who have eyes to see and ears to hear have always taken my perspective as well as my training and skills plenty seriously for my comfort.

I don't lose a lot of sleep over the contrarians who refuse to do so or who are unable to do so.

Frankly, you sound uneducated. ESPECIALLY in the area of Psychology.

Ahhhhh a snide personal assault. Impressive.

Thankfully, my student evals are tops in the department. More importantly, the thousands of changed lives mean a lot more to me than even the top statistics and embarrassingly positive narrative comments.

No. I'm not anticipating proving such to you.

I don't have a problem with you spouting off unsupported claims about God and Aliens.. have at her… but to do so anonymously from behind the shield of Academia is just silly.

Of course, according to YOUR definition of silly.

Wellllllllllll, thankfully, my training and skills have come in very handy in assessing a LOT of the UFO/ET evidence.

Particularly the personal narratives about personal abductions.

Sometimes the polished presentations of the researchers et al can be less easy to discern confidently.

But the personal narratives are usually not as difficult to distinguish between gross fabrication and authentic personal experience.

Interviewing thousands of clients over 35 years has helped a lot on such scores . . . regardless of your

uhhhh . . . esteemed incredulity.

Cool story, bro.

And until you are interested in giving any evidence to back up your wild claims (not even talking about God/Aliens stuff here) then that is all it is.. a cool story.

Also, why not toss a snide comment at you? You have been pretty snide yourself this entire thread.

Originally posted by sith9157

The best manual? The bible was written by men, that still thought the Earth was flat

Actually, that's a false assertion.

There's a Scripture that clearly indicates the earth is round/a sphere. Not sure when I'll get to looking it up.

You might be able to find it at

www.biblegateway.com...

or on

www.dogpile.com...

using the keyword

Circle of the earth

or some such.

Further . . . the Christian perspective . . . and, I think Jewish . . . is that men were merely Scribes. Not as in automatic writing . . . per se . . . that would be the demonic counterfeit. But scribes who wrote truthfully what God spoke to them and/or showed to them.

One may disagree with that perspective but that is our perspective on the reality and that is a DIFFERENT reality than your perspective articulates.

The bible has been changed, re-written, and had entire chapters omitted. I'm not stomping on your belief's, or whats best for you and your life. I'm just merely pointing out that religion has nothing to do with ufology.

Wellllllllllll Jackque Vallee would tend to disagree given that after 10 years of SCIENTIFIC study, that quality scientist concluded that the critters were

spiritual beings that came from a SPIRITUAL dimension.

I also disagree in terms of your convictions about the history of Scripture.

Josh McDowell's NEW EVIDENCE THAT DEMANDS A VERDICT

is a better researched study on that score, imho.

www.amazon.com...=nb_sb_ss_i_1_13?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=josh+mcdowell+evidence+that+demands+a+verdict&sprefix=josh+mc dowell%2Cstripbooks%2C120&x=0&y=0

Your post also seems to indicate a gross lack of awareness of the great quantity of RELIGIOUS pronouncements by the ET's/fallen angels.

American officials have noted that there is a thick--I think yellow bound book--totally on RELIGION as seen by the ET's.

And, they have often been described as claiming that they created all the religious figures of history--for social engineering purposes--including Jesus--and manufactured the miricles with their technologies.

I have long felt that they would purport to offer 'historical' 3D holographic videos of such to "prove" their deceptive contentions.

Truly, a deception so great, that were it possible, the very elect of God would be deceived.

Authentic Christians need to walk so close to The Lord that His declaration that

MY SHEEP KNOW MY VOICE will be utterly true . . . and they will not follow the deception no matter how slick.

In many respects, the whole ET meme could be describe as a

huge RELIGIOUS propaganda effort to shred Christianity in behalf of the satanic global government requiring worship of satan as God.

I wonder . . . . . . when that day arises . . . on the not distant horizon . . .

how many hostile-to-Christianity and my perspective ATSers will go

OOOOOOOOOOPs I've bet on the wrong horse.

Or will they merely comply like the Eloi in the TIME MACHINE and go submissively into the maws of the Morlachs as dinner or rape victims or whatever.

reply to post by ImaFungi


LOTS of things are imaginable.

Fewer things are probable.

Much fewer numbers of things are factual, real.

I just happen to think that postulation is largely, if not totally wrong or a distortion or significantly inaccurate in some key but maybe yet unknown ways.

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BTW, except for one more post, which I likely won't get to until after a bite to eat . . . I *THINK* I'm caught up on replies. If I've missed one, please let me know.

That is . . . replies which are mutually respectful. I have no intention of replying to all the harshly personally assaultive and rabidly contrarian posts.

I have a post in the works replying to:

andersensrm

And then I think I'll be caught up.



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Just to clear something up for you, Professor..

The Book of Enoch isn't a Christian Book, it is a Jewish Book.

You are using our books to back up YOUR claims, and it isn't cool.

You have a book you call the Bible.

Stick with that.

Originally posted by andersensrm
reply to post by BO XIAN

 

I've read a couple posts about the addition of the god/satan relation to UFO's E.T.'s and interdimensional beings in this thread, and it seems a lot of people are upset.

Some folks are seemingly incapable to unwilling to tolerate perspectives markedly different from their own.

Some seem to be arrogantly hostile out of personal pique.

Most of the time, I think that tends to originate in a serious degree of early childhood ATTACHMENT DISORDER never worked through.

Just some background on me, I am not religious, and until recently I didn't believe in intelligent design, and god, and all that. But I've recently come to a revelation of sorts so let me spell it out. I believe that all living things consist of a soul, I will call it our conscious. I believe our conscious to be our soul. I think, before the big bang, all consciousness from all the living things in the universe existed as one, this would be the intelligent creator, or god, and then "evolved" itself into the universe. Breaking itself apart into many different areas.

That's a somewhat interesting perspective, to a point. It smacks overmuch of the ALL IS ONE meme to have much usefulness or attractiveness to me.

The closest I can come to it is . . . Scriptures that speak of "the rocks crying out . . . "

I do believe that God is IN ALL in some signficant sense. I don't know what that means. I don't even know what implications there are of that beyond the fact that God is really omnipresent.

Some consciousness turned into matter, some parts became more refined becoming independent consciousness. In this way we can say that we are all a part of god, and all of us( every living organism)( along with all matter in the universe) together make up god, or intelligent mind.

I think I understand. It's not per se my perspective. I don't know what happened that far back.

I still accept the Scripture about God speaking Creation into existence as more or less literal fact.

I also believe that this concsious is not held within our bodies, but projected out in all direction like light. In this way, your conscious thoughts are leaving your body at the speed of light in all directions influecing everything it hits along the way.

I forget who the great Christian of the past was who asserted that he thought our thoughts would turn out to be some of the LOUDEST things in the universe. He may well be right.

A collective of all the consciousness bunched together in one spot, like our galaxy, could prove to hold weight, or mass, which would create gravity. This is where dark matter comes in, it is simply the combined consciuosness of all living things bunched up in one spot.

Looking at it this way, at least for me, I find that both sides of the argument are correct in some way. I think that all of life could have evolved from a primordial soup, but this does not exclude god, or creation. So in a way it both works out. So I don't look at god, as a separate entity, rather a combination of all life and matter.

There I would differ as well, from your perspective. [deleting lines to get more room to respond]

The Christian view is that God is OUTSIDE His creation in the sense of being beyond it, larger than it, over it, containing it, as it were.
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When I look at it this way, I find it problematic that we worship some outside entity. In almost every religion, there is a separate, outside entity that we are to worship and ask of answers and help. But I think these things should be directed inward towards ourselves rather than outward.

I understand that intellectually.

I believe that perspective is a seductive deadly trap.

Thats how I think about it, and from this perspective, any alien or E.T. or interdimensional being, would consist of some form of consciuosness, and therefore be apart of us, and what we could call the intelligent mind, or god.

I don't think WITHIN is sufficient to explain much of anything.

Sare said--for the finite to have meaning, it had to have a connection with the essentially external INFINITE.

That may have been his only truly bright insight.

Certainly the ET critters would be happy to applaude your perspective as fitting well within their New Agey manipulations of the populace, imho.

reply to post by Furbs


Uhhhhhhhhh

Christians revere and treat as holy the Penteteuch sp? and entire Old Testament as from God--the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob . . .

The ONE who called Enoch to Himself without dying a mortal death.

I don't see how it is that you get to define for us what we treat as God-breathed and worth revering as God's Word and/or worthy respect . . . as in the case of the Book of Enoch.

And in terms of this topic, the Book of Enoch has a lot to share that we find factual and important to consider.

Parochial turf claims may be quaint. I don't find them useful, practical or accurately fitting, personally.

reply to post by BO XIAN
I have thought of myself as a pretty "Special Character" with a curse, for pretty much most of my life; Special for reasons I won't go into and Cursed because I can never remember really being at home amongst any people and have never seen humanity or the world as those around me. Don't run with that comment, as I have been a leader or amongst the leadership of every group, team and company I have been with, have always been popular where I wanted to be popular and having women has never been problem. HOWEVER and why I am making this post, suddenly tonight after reading this thread I realized I was also very "Lucky" because there has been no question in my mind that ETs are here for most of my life, particularly after my encounter on an early summer morning in 1969 with a non-human being on the Kern River just below Lake Isabella; as well as seeing its craft fly by with others at our campsite the night before. I am not going to get into telling that account again or the up close and personal over the years since...that is not why I am commenting; I am commenting that for the first time I am aware that to one extent I am Lucky because I never had any problem with the encounter, with what I was seeing or accepting the fact that we are not alone here, while so many of you appear distracted, confused, in denial and/or in need of continual proof of what is obvious...there is proof of Non-human intelligence everywhere and I am not just talking about Space Ships and Alien Beings. This "Luck" is also a curse, which is how I always looked at it because my awareness-es and perspectives left me most often disgusted and repulsed by stupid human beings..sorry but most of you are dense and worse...Not All but most. Even a 6 year old child when confronted with a megalithic craved stone in the middle of no where would guess something other than humans put it there and the examples of this conclusion are everywhere. Most of you are MOB THINKERS who don't know what you think until you have others around you tell you what they too think and the list of this kind of example are many as well.

Anyway, thanks for making me aware that I am "Lucky".