I've invented the time machine... in a manner of speaking! 

reply to post by sparda4355


I found an article whee someone explains it better than me..Gives you a visual of why it can't be done.

Time

reply to post by TWISTEDWORDS


Have you ever studied quantum physics???

Seriously, your statements appear on surface level to be bound in facts, yet they are mere utterings of theoretical expression...

Look atoms are not bound by time, actually most quantum physicists actually have observed what they have theorized to be atoms traveling in and out of dimensions seemlessly and effortlessly...

An atom can travel from point a to point b, without traveling the distance between...

An atom can be in two places AT THE SAME TIME!!! This has been and can be observed scientifically.

I'm not saying you are wrong about time travel, I can't prove that... Not would I be arrogant enough to attempt to proclaim absolute knowledge about any subject, to do so would be based in ignorance! But I encourage you to open your mind...

You cannot disprove time travel, you can't disprove ghosts, aliens, God, or even santa for that matter... All you can do is come up with a personal theory based on the limited amount of knowledge you have about any particular subject.

reply to post by sparda4355


Actually I have worked for a lab that deals with these things, so I do have knowledge.. Secondly Quantum Physics is just another theory and can't explain macro space and time, it can only project micro space and time. Einstein's theory of relativity explains some macro space and time. No theory to date can explain our universe, there is no universal theory. Every theory in science contradicts itself and that's a fact. To date mankind can only observe it's findings and we have not created one thing that has not been observed in nature. So to this date there has been no observation of time travel nor any observation of any wormholes in nature. So it is safe to assume to that what we know so far from nature is what we have.

reply to post by TWISTEDWORDS


You say silly things... Scientists are currently experimenting with wormholes in labs!!! They can create them, study them, and are trying to learn how to enlarge them.

Source: type wormhole in google and read, the articles are endless...

You say nobody has traveled time? How arrogant, are you to assume if such a thing took place or is currently taking place, that you are of enough significance to be made privy to such knowledge? Because u haven't seen it, it doesn't happen?

You only slightly understand one concept or theory of time travel, there are endless theories, some that could potentially solve this seemingly impossible road block...

You say yourself you/we may not even understand true time... That being said isn't it possible that if we discover how it works we might also discover a loophole or perhaps dimensional bridge?

Originally posted by sparda4355
Assuming time travel will ever exist and presuming that it will permit us to travel "backwards" in time, I know how we could pull it off almost immediately! 

My idea is to avoid having to "reinvent the wheel" so-to-speak... 

Assuming time travel will ever exist, in a matter of speaking... It technically already exists! 

If I invent a time machine in 10 years and use it to come back to this exact moment, time travel would instantly become available to me right... Wait for it... NOW

Stay with me, I'm not saying "I" will invent a time machine anytime in the near or distant future... 

What I am saying is, if I could write a compelling argument as to why somebody in the future needs to come see me at this specific time and place in the present, and find a way to store said argument for an extended period of time, in a time capsule; not to be disturbed for X amount of years, I would instantly know if I succeeded... 

There are several variables...

-The argument/reason as to why they need to come to this specific time/place in their past...

-the way the argument is stored... (and for how long)

-what formula we will use to calculate what this specific place in time is assuming our calendar expires or becomes inaccurate... 

And I'm sure there are other variables I may be missing, but if we work out the variables, we would have instant success, if we don't have success, we keep trying. 

Keep trying different methods of storage, arguments, and methods of time until we get it right!

 

[of there is a better forum to post this thread under, please feel free to move it]

when i was 12 i had that train of thought myself. exactly this. i am 30 now though so...

reply to post by Alda1981


Did you really just quote my entire post with your only intention being to insult my intelligence?

reply to post by sparda4355


Thanks for bringing up this subject, as I have been thinking about that same thought.

My thought was, that you build something important, like a big monument, so it can last for 1000 years or more. Then I would describe what the monument was trying to tell. It's kinda hard, since you wont know if they will have the same language, if they ever invent a time machine. And of course I would write something on english on the monument.

If they have a timemachine, and they see the monument and the date we set for them to come back in time. Well, yes then they should come back, at that exact moment.

That's just my take.
If you would want them to travel back in time, you need to make something that seems very important, like the pyramids.

The time cops would see through your little trick and arrest anybody precognitavely before they fell for your trick. Either that, or the universe would implode the moment that the time machine worked for the first time.

I don't know, just trying to recover from the nosebleed after reading your post. logic is sound, just hurts.

The biggest issue with this is that most likely if time travel is possible, it would work via the creation of new time lines, and not the modification of an existing one.

So yeah, they may travel back in time and see you, but it will be in a parallel reality/time line, and this "you" would not consciously experience meeting them.

Another problem is, many suggest you can only go back in time to the point at which the machine was created, and not before.

Interesting thinking, though, and if the above theories are wrong, then I would go with what a previous poster suggested and create something that threatens the very existence of the Universe, forcing someone to come back in time to stop you.

reply to post by sparda4355


No one has created a wormhole. You would have to fracture every single dimension and remove all dimensions but the zero dimension in space around you. No one has done that. The singularity is nothing more than the zero dimension. The zero dimension has no volume and no distance in it. Then you would have to map out the entire universe to use x,y & z from two point in the universe and then fracture the space/time continuum to zero and bridge those coordinates. No one has done that.

Interesting thought.

A couple of variables worth considering:

- There may be a Grand Time Directive in place in the future to keep travelers from creating horrendous time paradoxes. This would make absolute sense as an absolute vital implementation, unless time travelers have found a way to influence time-lines parallel and separate to their own. In that way they can experiment and ensure that the effects that an alteration to a time-line have, do not affect their own realities directly. In the same breath your argument needs to be hard-hitting enough to compel the future to take a "chance" with introducing a technology into their past that can utterly and totally change their present. Probably not many would want to do this.

- We may actually not exist much longer. The time-capsule may lay dormant for another 100,000 years until the Cyborgs arrive here from Caprica. Just kidding. But one must consider the variable of "the possibility of humanity's inability to survive past its present state".

- Humans may have discovered that they can convincingly simulate their pasts and have actually implemented this kind of technology on a grand scale as "a means of time-travel" waayyy before actual time-travel becomes a reality. If this is the case, there is a billion-to-one chance that we are actually living in the simulation right now - believing that we are the original humans on which the simulation is based. This scenario would pretty much suck. And we can then only expect a time-traveler to visit us if the "grand programmer" decides to add this event to a subroutine or function.

But I must admit. The idea of placing a capsule in the perfect spot and in a perfect long-lasting container with a hard-hitting message, and having a time-traveler pop out the next moment, is really food for my imagination. Even though any discussion relating to time-travel leaves my slightly confused... scratch that... totally confused. S+F

That's always what I have thought the Georgia guidestones where built for, they were supposed to have a time capsule under them ( that has never been found ) but it would have been if a time traveler came the day it was put up to get this time capsule, which would have specific details in it to find the guy who paied for the monument...
Coz it is mentionned that there is a time capsule underneath just that there is not, so why go to the trouble of paying for monument, write that there is a time capsule and just fake the time capsule part of it all...

anyways just a theory for the guidestones...

Besides the science says that it's not possible anyway as travelling back in time creates an alternative timeline, but you are still stuck in the timeline you are today.

But that is what I would do, build a mysterious monument, with cryptic information, to make someone want to come back to know more about it.

Here's my thoughts. They may have been said previously.

Let me model this out for you.

Here we are in Jan 26th (North America time).

Time travel has not existed up until now (assuming it would be known), because we would know about it in our timeline.

Let's say someone in the year 3000 successfully invents a time machine. They want to go to the past and publicly show everyone.

If they went to Jan 25th, we would know about it because it already happened. It didn't.

From this, you can make a number of theories.

1. The time traveler has only chosen to travel back to a time that would be in our future. Of course, in doing so, he will have either altered his own timeline or created a new one.

2. The time traveler did go back to Jan 25th, but in doing so created a new timeline that we are not part of.

If we follow #1, then we won't see time travel until our future and it will happen all of a sudden.

If we follow #2, then we will never see time travel in our timeline because we would have already seen it.

Thoughts?

Originally posted by sparda4355
Assuming time travel will ever exist and presuming that it will permit us to travel "backwards" in time, I know how we could pull it off almost immediately! 

My idea is to avoid having to "reinvent the wheel" so-to-speak... 

Assuming time travel will ever exist, in a matter of speaking... It technically already exists! 

If I invent a time machine in 10 years and use it to come back to this exact moment, time travel would instantly become available to me right... Wait for it... NOW

Stay with me, I'm not saying "I" will invent a time machine anytime in the near or distant future... 

What I am saying is, if I could write a compelling argument as to why somebody in the future needs to come see me at this specific time and place in the present, and find a way to store said argument for an extended period of time, in a time capsule; not to be disturbed for X amount of years, I would instantly know if I succeeded... 

There are several variables...

-The argument/reason as to why they need to come to this specific time/place in their past...

-the way the argument is stored... (and for how long)

-what formula we will use to calculate what this specific place in time is assuming our calendar expires or becomes inaccurate... 

And I'm sure there are other variables I may be missing, but if we work out the variables, we would have instant success, if we don't have success, we keep trying. 

Keep trying different methods of storage, arguments, and methods of time until we get it right!

 

[of there is a better forum to post this thread under, please feel free to move it]

There's only one huge problem with that Bill and Ted scenario, exposure. I mean, how will the individual, or the country even, who invents time travel, be made aware of your time capsule? What amount of fame and a household name your time capsule would have to be for someont in the near or distant future to actually be made aware of it. If it takes 20 years to invent, (very very improbable), you would have to have 20 years of publicity of that time capsule for someone to even care. There is no reason important enough in the world that you can come up with that's better than everyone else. You see, the importance of your reason would have to be the thing that made the time capsule known to everyone in the first place, because we're assuming that if it's not widely known about in 20 years then they would never think to travel to this time. So if your epically important reason is exposed to everyone, which it would have to be, then there is always going to be someone out there smarter than you, who can come up with a slightly better reason. It's always easier to react to something than it is to act first out of nowhere. You would simply set into motion a snowball effect of important reasons infinitely replacing the last until no one can really come up with one that is better than the rest.

reply to post by sparda4355


The problem with relative time travel is that "time" is nothing more than the measured movement of objects through space ie: you, me, earth, etc...

Having said that going back in time in the physical sense requires the physical universe to actually STOP its forward motion and then reverse from where it came.

When I drive in my car, I drive forward and technically into the future. When I do, I look in the rearview mirror and I can see my past of where I was.

Another huge and rarely mentioned problem with time travel is location. The Earth was not in the position it is now in the past, factor in Universal expansion and you've got some major problems.

Maybe you can travel back in time but end up God knows where and are unable to get anywhere near Earth, in which case, time travelers may be found all over the Universe on various other habitable planets.

If we manage to meet extraterrestrial life in the future, might they be earth time travelers?

What if the time traveller killed the inventor of the time machine before it was finished? He wouldn't be able to travel back in time, so the inventor would live and invent the time machine, and so on. I think this would either create an infinite number of identical parallel universes in an instant, or blue screen of death.

As for Mr 'its not possible because of particles blah blah'.. Wow, insanely arrogant. You seem to know what your saying, yet none of it makes any sense. Also that link you gave is just some blog of some guy giving his opinion on any subject that tickles his fancy. Like you it all kinda seems plausible, but at the end of the day his opinion, like yours, is not proof. It's just ignorant* theoretical musings. Could he have hit the nail on the head? Possibly but it seems as likely as a chimp writing Othello.

*I don't mean to offend by saying ignorant, I mean it literally, as in niether he, you nor anyone else in the world can claim to be any sort of authority on a branch of science that is at this point in time, in this time line, fictional.

PS, really boring to read, discussing hypothetical time travel situations does not require time travel to be possible. I'd hate to watch Back to the Future with you!

reply to post by sparda4355


The US Naval Acad. has some books on this subject, plus your science is not the same science in these books and in use right now, i've read something about some ideas, on the changes in time lines when, and if someone can travel back, if you talk to or stop someone to ask a question that was never ask before. This subject is not new here on this site, what if someone committed a crime and use a machine to get away, could he change his history by talking to or killing someone where he went. remember the story of the butter fly. Its about when you get there what not to say and do. take pictures or video but never interact, what if you went back to a point in time and got some child sick and that person died, and his name was judas, or hitler would you be here to read or post your question. ???????

reply to post by March of the Fire Ants


Please see a movie called retroactive, on this very subject, on what this young scienctist goes though to save a family that was not suppose to die on there vacition. Peace