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Originally posted by Gwampo
reply to post by odinson
If you were a true/real Christian, you would know that only God knows when the end will be. Not even Jesus knew.
Source
The Rapture doctrine, which was the invention of the Plymouth Brethren led by John Nelson Darby (1800-1882), has today been adopted by most Baptist, Pentecostals, Assemblies of God, and a variety of other fundamentalist sects. The idea that Jesus Christ will return for His true Church just before the beginning of the Great Tribulation in a secret gathering or "catching away" was an important part of Darby's teaching. The movement in which this teaching began originated in small groups in England and Ireland about 1828 and by 1831 was part of the official teaching of the Plymouth Brethren. By 1860 the "rapture" had made its way to the United States. In the late 1800's, America was fertile ground for a wide variety of religious extremists, most notably the Adventist movements. These movements, which produced new denominations, sects, and cults, almost always had as one of their chief tenets the belief that Christ was going to return to earth "very soon" and that they could tell you when. As the eschatological and apocalyptic teachings of the Plymouth Brethren entered this mix of religious fervor, some of their teachings became a permanent fixture within the newly formed sects. Among the many heresies of the "brethren" the Rapture was the most successful. It even went on to affect millions of people in denominations which had not yet been formed. Two examples of this are the Assemblies of God and the United Pentecostal Church which were not founded until early in the 20th century. At about this same time the Rapture made its way into the theology of the Southern Baptist Church, which had not previously known of the teaching. Today, prophecy pundits and "end-time" revivalists preach the Rapture as if it were established dogma from the time of Christ until the present. The truth is that the first historical reference to the Rapture doctrine comes from the Plymouth Brethren. Not only is the Rapture not found in the teachings of the Church, but even "end-time" heretics throughout the centuries never dreamed of proposing such a novel idea. For example, the 4th century Montanists, who preached both pre-millenialism and that they knew when Christ would return, never ventured so far as to create another 2nd coming of the Lord in a secret rapture.
Originally posted by Gwampo
reply to post by odinson
If you were a true/real Christian, you would know that only God knows when the end will be. Not even Jesus knew.
Originally posted by TinkerHaus
odinson, put your money where your mouth is.
Are you willing to sign over all of your belongings to me? I will not take possession until 12/2212.
If you agree please say so publicly. I will have my attorney contact you with the necessary paperwork. I hope you have good crap cause I'm 100% confident we'll all still be here 12/22 and beyond.
Let me know how strong your convictions are - You don't need any of that material crap anyway with God on your side.
Peace!
Originally posted by odinson
Originally posted by TinkerHaus
odinson, put your money where your mouth is.
Are you willing to sign over all of your belongings to me? I will not take possession until 12/2212.
If you agree please say so publicly. I will have my attorney contact you with the necessary paperwork. I hope you have good crap cause I'm 100% confident we'll all still be here 12/22 and beyond.
Let me know how strong your convictions are - You don't need any of that material crap anyway with God on your side.
Peace!
so basically no, God isn't looking for converts, follow his word or don't, eternity is on your hands not his. He won't change the date neither, if its time its time, so give up your belongings
God may move the date some because He is always looking for more converts, but we will be seeing the last full year! I am already prepared to move from my home. I will explain all in due time!
God Bless
Originally posted by autowrench
Originally posted by Gwampo
reply to post by odinson
If you were a true/real Christian, you would know that only God knows when the end will be. Not even Jesus knew.
And if you are well read, then you would know that the Rapture Doctrine was made up by John Nelson Darby.....
Source
The Rapture doctrine, which was the invention of the Plymouth Brethren led by John Nelson Darby (1800-1882), has today been adopted by most Baptist, Pentecostals, Assemblies of God, and a variety of other fundamentalist sects. The idea that Jesus Christ will return for His true Church just before the beginning of the Great Tribulation in a secret gathering or "catching away" was an important part of Darby's teaching. The movement in which this teaching began originated in small groups in England and Ireland about 1828 and by 1831 was part of the official teaching of the Plymouth Brethren. By 1860 the "rapture" had made its way to the United States. In the late 1800's, America was fertile ground for a wide variety of religious extremists, most notably the Adventist movements. These movements, which produced new denominations, sects, and cults, almost always had as one of their chief tenets the belief that Christ was going to return to earth "very soon" and that they could tell you when. As the eschatological and apocalyptic teachings of the Plymouth Brethren entered this mix of religious fervor, some of their teachings became a permanent fixture within the newly formed sects. Among the many heresies of the "brethren" the Rapture was the most successful. It even went on to affect millions of people in denominations which had not yet been formed. Two examples of this are the Assemblies of God and the United Pentecostal Church which were not founded until early in the 20th century. At about this same time the Rapture made its way into the theology of the Southern Baptist Church, which had not previously known of the teaching. Today, prophecy pundits and "end-time" revivalists preach the Rapture as if it were established dogma from the time of Christ until the present. The truth is that the first historical reference to the Rapture doctrine comes from the Plymouth Brethren. Not only is the Rapture not found in the teachings of the Church, but even "end-time" heretics throughout the centuries never dreamed of proposing such a novel idea. For example, the 4th century Montanists, who preached both pre-millenialism and that they knew when Christ would return, never ventured so far as to create another 2nd coming of the Lord in a secret rapture.
Paul speaks of our being "changed"
(See 1Cor:15:51)
That could mean changes in DNA, or a host of other things altogether.
He also speaks of our mortal bodies "putting on immortality". (See 1Cor.15:53)
This obviously means we are dead, removed from the human container and in Spirit, for are we not Immortal?
Originally posted by odinson
Hello
What will start all the occurrences to happen before July? There has to be a tailtale sign that is supernatural! This is where I believe the darkness will kick in. The time God lets the devil out!
Remember 911 where the events transformed America in a day!
What do you guys think? Remember, the previous year set marks/records for most money spent in disasters and the types of disasters!
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by odinson
Hello
What will start all the occurrences to happen before July? There has to be a tailtale sign that is supernatural! This is where I believe the darkness will kick in. The time God lets the devil out!
Remember 911 where the events transformed America in a day!
What do you guys think? Remember, the previous year set marks/records for most money spent in disasters and the types of disasters!
If you are so certain of the date of rapture my friend, why are you not emphasising what one is supposed to be doing to be prepared?
Are you ready yourself?
Have you given all that you own to the poor and picked up your cross to follow Christ in his name?
Why are you giving warnings in your own name?
Don't you know that only the word of God speaks for God?
Are you the word of God?
Is your conscience clear enough on your actions to do them in the name of the father?
Who do you do these works for?
With Love,
Your Brother
And if you are well read, then you would know that the Rapture Doctrine was made up by John Nelson Darby.....
Originally posted by odinson
Also, don't use the Lord's name in vain! Saying Jesus Christ, Goddamn and so on. In the name of the Lord there is power. You can use that power to repulse demons. Just saying His name!
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by odinson
Also, don't use the Lord's name in vain! Saying Jesus Christ, Goddamn and so on. In the name of the Lord there is power. You can use that power to repulse demons. Just saying His name!
If your works and your word were of the father or the Son, why then can you NOT do them in their name?
With Love,
Your Brother
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by odinson
Also, don't use the Lord's name in vain! Saying Jesus Christ, Goddamn and so on. In the name of the Lord there is power. You can use that power to repulse demons. Just saying His name!
If your works and your word were of the father or the Son, why then can you NOT do them in their name?
With Love,
Your Brother
Taking His name in vain has nothing to do with vocabulary, it's about ambassadorship. Claiming to be His and not representing Him truthfully. Either by false doctrine or by our actions/behavior.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by odinson
Also, don't use the Lord's name in vain! Saying Jesus Christ, Goddamn and so on. In the name of the Lord there is power. You can use that power to repulse demons. Just saying His name!
If your works and your word were of the father or the Son, why then can you NOT do them in their name?
With Love,
Your Brother
Taking His name in vain has nothing to do with vocabulary, it's about ambassadorship. Claiming to be His and not representing Him truthfully. Either by false doctrine or by our actions/behavior.
Precisely my friend. Which is why I ask the OP what I ask the OP.
With Love,
Your Brother