Tired of the Ron Paul Bandwagon???

JUST EVERYBODY REMEMBER;

Freedom is DANGEROUS!!!

Originally posted by dannotz
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

 

You're wrong about it all.

We aren't "anti-this, or pro-that"

we are PRO LIBERTY.

There's a difference between letting the Government decide everything and wanting the citizens and the states to have more power.

Ya know, the government is suppose to work for the states, it was created BY the states, not the other way around.

And if people want to jump on the "Ron Paul bandwagon" then GREAT!

I mean, isn't that what an election is all about?

I think you meant by the people for the people...and yes...i agree with that. about 3/4 of the liberals here have missed a lot of the positive things i said about RP...i will not vote for him because of his vague stance on foreign policies because I believe they will lead us further down a wrong path. the golden rule can't work. there's never been peace on earth...it'll never happen. it's naive to think it's even a possiblility

but yes sir, that's what an election is for and that's a great thing. thanks for adding the comment and i agree...the government should be working for the people and i agree that it definitely has lost it's way....

GOODNIGHT liberals....take care...

OP if what you are saying is true, and you extrapolate out the possible appearance of an attack on america while its defenses are relaxed, literally anybody could do it, and the entire middle east would disappear in a revenge attack of mammoth proportions. not a good scenario

so for the sake of all life everywhere, let's just hope whoever is gunning for iran or for changing the face of the globe, has enough sense to realize that you will be personally held responsible for the deaths of billions and billions of people, not just in america, but across the middle east and perhaps the planet. this will not end well. if we get ron paul and he does this and retreating is perceived as a threat, DON'T BE TEMPTED to take advantage of it, or you and yours and your offspring and the offspring of the rest of the planet, will die in a horrible cataclysm of biblical proportions. use your common sense.

god changed his mind about the prophecy against nineveh when the people grew a brain. same thing can happen here. don't take the bait. if america retreats, deal with your own problems and leave us to deal with ours, or it's gonna get biblical, and nobody wants that unless they're out of their minds.

I just can't take seeing all this liberal and socialist Ron Paul support from within our country.

I think alot of people are letting politics get out of control. This political ill will is literally destroying peoples lives and tearing America apart.

reply to post by undo


dont pay any attention to the OP just look the way he replies so angrily and he is quite insulting to everyone.

reply to post by dannotz


I think your right!

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
Your forgetting bringing the troops from home wont be the end of the world dont you know that america cant afford to pay all the wars that we both fought now?
expect iraq.

I do not understand this "america cant afford to pay all the wars". Use your superior and army and make the world pay for it. The recent Libyan campaign was pure profit, for example. The attempt to create an alternative to USD and IMF was stopped, and part of the Libyan money can be taken to cover the costs. Not to mention the future contracts and the bigger share of Libyan oil. A profitable war and a message to those who dare to stand up against US interests.

Arent you aware that america is an empire? now tell me what happens if the empire keeps invading occupying countries by military force? well usual it will collapse on its own.

Make think the population that the occupation is for the countries own good, for protection, and the problem is solved.

The same way soviet union collapsed and it wont be pretty.

It is not the same way.
1) There were 2 empires, and 1 empire wanted and made actions the other to collapse. Now there is just 1 empire and there is no force that can cause the collapse.
2) US empire and its general ideology offers much better conditions to any country elite.

reply to post by L00kingGlass


it's a giant chess game using real people. so far, it seems the new agers are intent on ridding the planet of the abrahamic faiths, to include christianity, islam and judaism. so how is this achieved? just imagine what would happen if we retreated and lowered our defensive/aggressive posture world wide. somebody who was intent on reordering the planet and removing anything attached to abraham in anyway, would jump on that so fast. blow these guys up here, blame it on those guys, these guys retaliate, those guys retaliate via other guys, and boom boom boom. check mate.

i, for one, like being alive. i don't want to be check mated off the planet!

reply to post by mrgregbusybee

i'm really tired so forgive me here...but my point about iraq is we went there under lies...yes...but we were also there to set them free...provide them a new government and show them the way to live...etc...etc...then we back out and come home...everyone knows it's too soon and they aren't ready but too much political pressure to end the war and bam...out of iraq.. there's already been a hostile flag raised in one city... within 1 year it'll be like we were never there...!!

We were told that those were the reasons we went in there. Funny thing is when General Barnes went in there - our first viceroy - he tried to have elections. This got him a visit from Rumsfeld and relived of command. When Jerry Bremer went in, his first task was to give them copyright laws that can never be rescinded. Copyright laws? WTF? I heard all that new way of life crap too, but it just wasn't true. We went in there to provide a bonanza for American corporations, and to gain control over oil fields that we wouldn't pump from. Supply down + demand up = windfall profit for the oil companies. Is this price fixing? Yes, it fits the definition exactly. Is that illegal? Yep! Is it a secret? Well it ain't on T.V.

No one ever cared about freedom for Iraq, at least no one in our Government. And anyway, why should we be there at all? Oh yeah, to take out our puppet who had fallen out of favor. How did he fall out of favor? He opened the taps and flooded the market with oil. So did the Saudis, but they did it in response to his doing it, to keep him from the windfall profit. The Saudi's knew they could outlast Saddam, at least until the Americans could get there.

Unfortunately what you are told on T.V. is not the truth, not unless it just happens to fit into the agenda of those leading the band. Funny thing is, this year it is a slightly bigger band than last year. This year only six corporations own all of the major media, last year it was only five. Do you see what kind of population control that makes available to only six corporations? Because the corporations see it, or they wouldn't have bothered consolidating and controlling the media so well.

reply to post by ICanThink

I do not understand this "america cant afford to pay all the wars". Use your superior and army and make the world pay for it. The recent Libyan campaign was pure profit, for example. The attempt to create an alternative to USD and IMF was stopped, and part of the Libyan money can be taken to cover the costs. Not to mention the future contracts and the bigger share of Libyan oil. A profitable war and a message to those who dare to stand up against US interests.

Do you realize how NAZI-like that statement is? My God, we believe in our values until it is inconvenient? I am glad you are not my neighbor.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by L00kingGlass

 

it's a giant chess game using real people. so far, it seems the new agers are intent on ridding the planet of the abrahamic faiths, to include christianity, islam and judaism. so how is this achieved? just imagine what would happen if we retreated and lowered our defensive/aggressive posture world wide. somebody who was intent on reordering the planet and removing anything attached to abraham in anyway, would jump on that so fast. blow these guys up here, blame it on those guys, these guys retaliate, those guys retaliate via other guys, and boom boom boom. check mate.

i, for one, like being alive. i don't want to be check mated off the planet!

edit on 23-1-2012 by undo because: (no reason given)

No one will be check-mating anyone off the planet. I believe these pieces of garbage who are instigating this violence will be dealt with soon.

reply to post by mrgregbusybee


I really am starting to think you're either a total moron, or being paid to post.

If RP was in charge we would have never gone into Iraq - the middle eastern experts told the US government in 2003 that their play would leave the country in a state of chaos before the government went ignored the warning, and destabilized the country.

Your entire example of why we need to police the world has been shot in the head (BOOM, HEADSHOT!) by that simple fact alone.

Originally posted by Ittabena
reply to post by ICanThink

 

I do not understand this "america cant afford to pay all the wars". Use your superior and army and make the world pay for it. The recent Libyan campaign was pure profit, for example. The attempt to create an alternative to USD and IMF was stopped, and part of the Libyan money can be taken to cover the costs. Not to mention the future contracts and the bigger share of Libyan oil. A profitable war and a message to those who dare to stand up against US interests.

Do you realize how NAZI-like that statement is? My God, we believe in our values until it is inconvenient? I am glad you are not my neighbor.

It's mind boggling how these people think that violence is perfectly fine. Where are they getting this from? Who is teaching them these ways?

reply to post by ICanThink

1) There were 2 empires, and 1 empire wanted and made actions the other to collapse. Now there is just 1 empire and there is no force that can cause the collapse.

All empires collapse when they overextend. This is historical fact and it always ends the same way, although each Empire is sure it is different and therefore immune. From this post of yours I think it is safe to say that you are part of the problem here sir, not the solution. your logic is simple to a childish - and dangerous - degree.

I suggest you actually do some thinking on this. Being able to is not enough.

reply to post by mrgregbusybee


I got here:

Let's get some facts absolutely straight, the people that are riding and hoping for Ron Paul are anti-war, pro-drugs, anti-gay marriage.

And literally did not read the rest of your obviously blatant trolling ass post. I'm hoping for RP. I am not anti-war, I am anti-illegitimate war. I am so very far from pro-drug, I only have about 4 people I truely call friends because everyone else thinks Pot is OK. I believe in gay rights.

You sir/ma'am, are an idiot.

reply to post by mrgregbusybee

Even if a president wanted to do the right thing and help them...they receive too much pressure back home to end the war...bring the troops home..etc. so please explain to me how RP and his plan can work. there's never been peace in the world...and he's basing his foreign policies in a dream world of i won't touch you if you don't touch me bullsh*t. america has been attacked when we haven't instigated and we will continue to be attacked...even under the golden rule...

ALL we have ever done is instigate. Do you know what we have done in South America alone for forty years? It sparked Hugo Chavez and the Bolivar revolution. And it might be a good idea to see what they did down there, because they are doing the same thing to us right now. Trouble is we are too uninformed to know it.

Also it is no dream world he wants to live in, it is merely reality. Shouldn't we practice what we preach? Why should we adopt the very principals we fought against time and time again? Because suddenly it will help the defense industry execs to make a huge profit, one that they will not share with the workers. Too thin for me but welcome to South America!

Originally posted by ICanThink


I do not understand this "america cant afford to pay all the wars". Use your superior and army and make the world pay for it. The recent Libyan campaign was pure profit, for example. The attempt to create an alternative to USD and IMF was stopped, and part of the Libyan money can be taken to cover the costs. Not to mention the future contracts and the bigger share of Libyan oil. A profitable war and a message to those who dare to stand up against US interests.

If we made this a habit...just attacking countries and taking their money & resources...we would be sorely lacking in allies & pretty much ASKING to be attacked. Not even our puppet U.N. would support that sort of tyranny.

reply to post by mrgregbusybee


I completely agree with you.

Paulbots are unable to see why his Ayn Rand inspired policies would be detrimental to society.

Another thing that would be entirely irresponsible that Paul supports is pulling out of the UN. I know conspiracy theorist will hate this but pulling out of the UN will allow future presidents to no longer be held accountable by an international body for their actions. There are other reasons why this will be terrible, such as our loss of veto power in the security council, but Paulbots and conspiracy theorists fail to think about these issues.

Not to mention his misguided ignorant view that the idea of the separation of church and state does not exist and his obvious theocratic tendencies. The man thinks god is written about all over our constitution despite the fact a deity is not mentioned one time in the constitution.

The only thing that I give him credit for is his stance on civil liberties, except for a women's right to choose what happens with her body and the right of two people who love each other, despite their gender, to marry one another. He is terrible when it comes to civil rights though.

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

 

Ron Paul believes that we, as a country, deserved...listen to me DESERVED the 9/11 attacks.

Complete nonsense!

I'm not even going to waste my time reading the rest of your OP.

Of course not!

Because anything that contradicts your blind devotion to Ron Paul is 'nonsense' , correct?

Please tell us all one thing, just one, that you are critical of Paul about. His theocratic tendencies? His terrible stance on civil rights? His irresponsible foreign policy? What about his Ayn Rand inspired view of society? Anything?

I used to like Paul until I applied reason objectively to his policies and saw how terrible they would be. Not to mention his followers can't see the obvious fact that he is a demagogue and fail to even consider the very obvious and relevant criticisms of the man.

Ron Paul and his followers look more and more like a cult everyday.