Kansas slashes food aid for children of illegal immigrants

reply to post by mtnshredder

Not sure where you get your facts, no, they don't always stay with "legals" when they get here. That's about as far from the truth as you can get.

Um, yes, they do.
In the city here where I live, there are pockets of people from every state in Mexico.. You think for one MOMENT that those people from whichever state, city, ranchito, area, don't come here and get established, and then go on to say, "Yeah, come on up! My boss says he will hire you!' ??
Besides the fact that there are employers who offer to 'sponsor' people as employees.....

The youngsters that we are discussing here are legally citizens.
I get my 'facts' from my experience working with the population with whom I worked.
As far from the truth as I can get?
I rest my case.

Are you also aware that if we give amnesty to illegals that they can now sponsor other illegals to come here.

Then they won't be 'illegals', will they? They will contribute to the tax system just like all CITIZENS do.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by mtnshredder

 

Not sure where you get your facts, no, they don't always stay with "legals" when they get here. That's about as far from the truth as you can get.

Um, yes, they do.
In the city here where I live, there are pockets of people from every state in Mexico.. You think for one MOMENT that those people from whichever state, city, ranchito, area, don't come here and get established, and then go on to say, "Yeah, come on up! My boss says he will hire you!' ??
Besides the fact that there are employers who offer to 'sponsor' people as employees.....

The youngsters that we are discussing here are legally citizens.
I get my 'facts' from my experience working with the population with whom I worked.
As far from the truth as I can get?
I rest my case.

Are you also aware that if we give amnesty to illegals that they can now sponsor other illegals to come here.

Then they won't be 'illegals', will they? They will contribute to the tax system just like all CITIZENS do.

Well we may have to agree to disagree. Most of the safe houses that harbor illegals in the states I have lived in are usually rentals rented by illegals, not citizens, at least in most cases that I've heard and seen first hand. I live in a sanctuary state that's over run by illegals, so I'm not ignorant to the issue but believe what you want to believe, maybe it's different in your state IDK.

It's painfully obvious that your welfare has not been effected as mine and many others have by the influx of illegals taking our jobs. Matter of fact it sounds as though you've gained job security thru the migration of illegal aliens.

Kansas slashes food aid for children of illegal immigrants

or

Kansas slashes food aid for children who are American citizens.

reply to post by mtnshredder

It's painfully obvious that your welfare has not been effected as mine and many others have by the influx of illegals taking our jobs. Matter of fact it sounds as though you've gained job security thru the migration of illegal aliens.

I am aware that many people have the feelings that you, and different experiences than I had.
It is unfair and inaccurate to say that I have 'job security'...in fact, I am retired (which I explained), my spouse has been out of work for NINE MONTHS -- he works in IT, and his job was outsourced to INDIA.
So please do not put words in my mouth.

When I WAS working, I worked with low-income families of ALL ethnic groups primarily in the urban core. Then I worked in a suburb helping families with their first-born child. There was no discrimination in either agency; we helped who asked for help.

As far as my being bilingual; yes, being able to speak Spanish helped, suppose. But when I began learning it I was 8 years old. I kept learning it, in school, and then got my bachelor's degree in the language/culture in 1982. At that time there were very few Spanish-speaking people anywhere around. I wanted to travel.

It just so happened that the skill became useful.
We are all hurting, shredder. Because you are in pain does not erase the fact that others are also.

Originally posted by wildtimes
I am confounded that society does not recognize that we are neighbors to the people living on this continent, or the continent(s) south of us, to which we are attached.

I have a neighbor that has fallen on hard times. She lost her job and her car. Hopefully she doesn't lose her home. She has two children, one of which is my son's best friend. If she needs a ride to the grocery store, we provide her a way there. Every other week she borrows $40 from us, but she always pays it back. But ultimately, it's her life and her problem. We help when we can, but we're not just swimming in money. We have to take care of ourselves first. If we have something left over, we help her however we can.

That's what America, and every other country, needs to do. America's citizens are taxed down to our socks, and part of the money is used for people that have not been taxed (via FICA, before you hair-splitters get all up in arms about local and state sales tax). They take, but they don't contribute. As far as I'm concerned, they can just tighten their belts until America's children are fed.

/TOA

Illegals just drop a baby on our soil and are entitled to free healthcare, food, cheap housing etc, while too many of our citizens are going without. Our citizens have babies born every day and have to pay for everything even if they are only 2.00 over the poverty limit. Like two bucks will help in any way. Same with our elderly who often have to choose between food or life saving medicines. For anyone not to understand this is mind blowing.

It's not that we don't have compassion for all peoples. It is that illegals purposely come here knowing if they have a baby here, their lives will be drastically improved. When explaining to them how our own citizens don't get what they get, they just shrug their shoulders and say it's not their problem. That is a slap in the face. Our laws need to change and the sooner the better.

reply to post by Night Star

Illegals just drop a baby on our soil

You think this is a compassionate thing to say?

and are entitled to free healthcare, food, cheap housing etc, while too many of our citizens are going without. Our citizens have babies born every day and have to pay for everything even if they are only 2.00 over the poverty limit. Like two bucks will help in any way. Same with our elderly who often have to choose between food or life saving medicines. For anyone not to understand this is mind blowing.

Many understand it perfectly well. The problem is the SYSTEMS, both in the USA and abroad. I myself had to use the 'public health system' when my second child was born. And it didn't cost NEARLY what the 'private hospital' charged to my insurance company when my first child was born. The facility and care was substandard....to what those with 'insurance' recieve.

It's not that we don't have compassion for all peoples.

Sorry, but I'm getting a mixed message here. They 'just drop a baby on our soil'...that is compassion for all peoples?

It is that illegals purposely come here knowing if they have a baby here, their lives will be drastically improved.

And can you blame them? If you could go somewhere knowing your life would be drastically improved, would you say no?

When explaining to them how our own citizens don't get what they get, they just shrug their shoulders and say it's not their problem.

Are you saying this in their 'illegal language'? Do you have personal experience living the way they lived before?

That is a slap in the face.

It's reality. Their problems are much more dire than you imagine.

Our laws need to change and the sooner the better.

So work to change them. This is what I have been saying all along. The LAW and the GOVERNMENTS in the countries from which people are fleeing, AND the governments in the countries TO WHICH they are fleeing....are the problem.
Why do you persist in blaming the victims?

reply to post by caf1550


Yes, you are right caf. It is just plain insulting the way people insist that it is fair to confiscate our paychecks for every person who thinks they have a right to come and break our laws and take advantage of every bit of welfare they can. Free education, food stamps, HUD housing, healthcare, etc. And then on top of it these people tell us how horrid and selfish we are.
And to boot, this person is telling me how uneducated I am for opposing her socialist worldview.
This is why they all had to condemn Sarah Palin too, because she exposed the "death panels" in the healthcare act. These people had to stop her in her tracks before she exposed any more of their plans for euthanizing the "useless eaters" and the elderly.
I have noticed that it is most often liberals who walk around suggesting that because they have this or that degree they are more intelligent and educated than the rest of us backwoods hicks.

Then of course they have to always suggest that anyone who opposes illegals must themselves come from some family of illegals, or they will argue that unless we are of an original Indian tribe we ourselves are illegal. I personally was born "in the country to citizen parents(plural)" which makes me natural born, and which in fact makes me more qualified to be POTUS than Barack.

Originally posted by ArchPlayer
reply to post by Maslo

 

The US needs to take care of home first and deal with the homelessness crisis on its own front doorstep. The breadlines and job lines are starting to resemble 1930 America and Russia under Nicolae Cescaeu.

At some point, those bootstraps that they keep telling the natural born folks to pull on should stop being given in droves to the non conformist immigrants who are not productive on this economy but self defeating via cheap labor and excessive drain on public policy.

From Michael Savage's book, Savage, M. (2010). Trickle Up Poverty, Harper Collins Publishers, NY (p. 204) (APA format citation for the one who accused me of being uneducated)

"A study conducted by Bear Stearns found that 'undocumented immigrants...hold approximately 12 to 15 million jobs in the United States (8% of the unemployed)' In addition, 'four to six million jobs have shifted to the underground market, as small businesses take advantage of...illegal residents.' The enormous influx of illegals has put a severe strain on the availability of housing in many localities, driving up the cost of education and making planning for such things as school enrollment difficult..."

Savage goes on to say that the purpose of all this is to "build a large majority of potential voters who are on the dole and who are not motivated to get out and look for work." p 205 (Savage).

So the argument now goes that I must not know American history or I would know that my ancestors surely were "undocumented" and thus here illegally, and somehow that would give people who just want a job and a better life a right to my paycheck(and my job)... or maybe it's the old Mexican American war thing where we "stole" their land and therefore they have more right to the land than we do and therefore we are obligated to give them and their children a better life by redistributing our paychecks.

Is that why you asked if I'm educated and accused me of not knowing history? I know the liberal argument well.

reply to post by wildtimes


If these people were as poor as you make them out to be, how do they afford their stolen identities and fraudulent documents etc.? From what you hear it isn't cheap. Poor means having no extra cash for anything. Most illegals once they trust you, come right out and tell you how they screw the system. They come here because in America you get things free and it's easy. They also say they have no intention of becoming legal.

We have many women who have lied to get welfare assistance when they had two incomes and said they were a one income household. Their husbands worked under the table. When you ask them why they would do that when so many people really need welfare and they were well above the poverty limit, they shrug their shouders. This is going on all across the USA and has to stop.

The agenda is to stop deportation as well.
From a Washington Times article

Bowing to pressure from immigrant rights activists, the Obama administration said Thursday that it will halt deportation proceedings on a case-by-case basis against illegal immigrants who meet certain criteria

www.washingtontimes.com...


The idea is that once people come here and have all their extended families and citizen children, we cannot separate their families. Isn't this a cute pic with all the signs printed in Spanish?

Has to be Soros funded, possibly indirectly through La Raza or some lobby in Washington.

The move won immediate praise from Hispanic activists and Democrats who had strenuously argued with the administration that it did have authority to take these actions, and said as long as Congress is deadlocked on the issue, it was up to Mr. Obama to act.

And the Democrats get their votes once they get amnesty and a path to citizenship.

reply to post by Night Star

how do they afford their stolen identities and fraudulent documents etc.?

Those documents cost about $10 bucks, and take about 10 minutes to produce. Have you ever been witness to someone going to have their pic taken in front of a blue screen, and half an hour later going to pick up their 'fake ID'? For all of ten bucks?

Here's another related article but same issue. This one is in LA

Welfare benefits for the children of illegal immigrants cost America's largest county more than $600 million last year, according to a local official keeping tabs on the cost.

Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael Antonovich released new statistics this week showing social spending for those families in his county rose to $53 million in November,

Combined with public safety costs and health care costs, the official claimed the "total cost for illegal immigrants to county taxpayers" was more than $1.6 billion in 2010.

He factored in both children here illegally and citizen children of illegals. Activists said it was unfair to lump them all together.

Antonovich acknowledges that the children whose benefits he's focusing on are U.S.-born. But he argues that the money is collected by the illegal immigrant parents, putting a painful burden on taxpayers, including those who are legal immigrants.
"The problem is illegal immigration. ... Their parents evidently immigrated here in order to get on social services," Antonovich spokesman Tony Bell said. "We can no longer afford to be HMO to the world."

Read more: www.foxnews.com...

"So please do not put words in my mouth."

Serious Wild? This whole thread is full of you doing this and then some to other posters. You seem to have us all figured out according to your replies.
I'm going to leave this one alone here out, have at it.

reply to post by wildtimes


This is a horrible policy! People these days are way too ok with putting money before people. Some people even get angry at you for suggesting (even suggesting!) something that might be expensive whether it's needed or not. It's like,....they'd rather just see people die!

And the things they think are expensive really wouldn't be anyway, as long as someone was actually willing to hash out different options and ways of dealing with a given problem.

And our financial problems certainly aren't going to be fixed by starving children (or anybody else). I don't care where they come from. They are still human beings and deserve to be treated as such.

And, you've got to wonder sometimes.....if something ever happened in the U.S. that made it too dangerous here for people to live. A situation so bad that people became refugees and started crossing into Mexico....what would the Mexicans do? Would they remember what so many here have done to them and their people, shutting them out, starving their children, etc....or would they turn the other cheek and help us anyway because they knew it was right (even though we didn't seem to know)? If we continue on the road we are on, we may well find out that we too will be turned away in our time of need.

There will always be churches to help, food kitchens/pantries. These kids won't starve.There are way too many illegals getting benefits through deceit when they are above the poverty limit and recieving benefits they don't even need. Usually what happens when one program keeps needing more and more funds, others have more funds taking away. That means funds that should go to legal citizens. You always hear about them wanting to take away from disability or other such programs. These people arn't exactly rolling in the money and need their benefits.

There are many safe places in Mexico, it is not just those in the middle of the gangs and drug runners that are coming here. I have worked with loads of illigals over the years in different places and not a single one was from a dangerous area.We have many unsafe places here in the USA and the poor people who live there cannot afford to leave. It is unfortunate for anyone who has to live like that no matter where they are. Goverments must take care of their own people.

reply to post by PopSecretMission


You know how they say, if you build it they will come? Well it's the same principle here, if we keep offering free stuff, they will come. We have to stop that. It is not what the Founding Fathers envisioned for a free and prosperious America.

reply to post by PopSecretMission

And the things they think are expensive really wouldn't be anyway, as long as someone was actually willing to hash out different options and ways of dealing with a given problem.

Thanks for chiming in, PopSM.

I am really floored by some of the attitudes here....
There have been a couple of recent articles in the KC Star regarding Brownback's decision, that it's being reviewed in the legislature,

as well as a suggestion that Kansas is promoting an "immigrant worker waiver" for dairies and feedlots, because the FARMERS who FEED THE NATION are short of willing laborers.

Kansas agriculture secretary seeks waiver for illegal immigrants

Kansas House panel to review policy on food stamps

KANSAS | Change was made to ‘equalize the way we treat income for all households’
Brownback officials defend food stamp policy
Official says focus is on income, not citizenship, but lawmakers wonder if illegal immigrants are singled out.

It just makes me really sad that some Americans don't get the concept that the laws need to be changed.

It's not about the babies!
It's not about the poverty-refugees!
...it's about government corruption.

I'm tired of being mocked and ridiculed. For that reason, and because so many are torch-and-pitchfork wielders.... who just don't seem to get it....
I have had to step back from this thread.
*sighs*

Many are frustrated that we have existing laws that are ignored. Many of us are frustrated to see that so many people still believe that the jobs the illegals are taking are just in the fields. Many of us are frustrated to see so much fraud from illegals and the millions of dollars they cost us. Many are frustrated to see the double standards of how illegals are getting benefits that our own people are denied.

Have you ever seen citizens who desperately need a job to provide for their families get turned away and an illegal is hired instead? Have you ever seen where a citizen had to be bilingual and speak spanish just to get a simple factory job in their own country and the reason the company gives is that it is because most of their employees speak it?

Have you ever known a poor person who had to choose between life savings medicines or food because they made 2.00 over the poverty limit, while all an illegal has to do is have a baby born on our soil and are give all the things they need in order to survive? And you wonder why we feel and think as we do? If it came down to your own family needing help or a foreigners, who would you choose?

You continually speak of the poor and frightend folks who come here knowing full well that there are far more people who don't live in dangerous areas but come here for the freebies. They admit it themselves! You seem to ignore the plight of the poor citizens who do not get catered to the way the illegals do.

You see those that are against illegal immigration as pitch fork weilding evil uneducated idiots, when we have done our research and know full well what is going on all across the USA. Can't you see we have had enough? There is no end to this, they just keep coming and taking and even then they demand more and more and are never satisfied.