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Targum - Isaiah 11:2; Maimonides - Yad Teshuva 9:2; Was to be a greater prophet than Moses, he spoke with god face to face. Jesus the God or the man you have to consider which he is at this point. Man or God according to the bible, as the verses above show, like you said, Joseph being the father in some cases while god being the father in others.
Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24: Must be a descendant of David, Now if you say God is the father and he is the result of a Virgin birth, he cannot be from the line of David.
Deut. 13:1-4 He was to lead all the people to full Torah observance, anyone trying to change the Torah is deemed as a false prophet.
Isaiah 7:14
Alma = young woman, and not Virgin
Even if Mary can trace herself back to David, that doesn't help Jesus, since tribal affiliation goes only through the father, not mother. Cf. Numbers 1:18; Ezra 2:59.
So these were some of the reasons I had left the church at 13 or 14. All my priest could say was to have faith... that's like having faith in a wet paper towel holding back a stampede.
But you see it is the inconsistencies that drove me away.
Which is not what the verses even say.
He was to lead all the people to full Torah observance, anyone trying to change the Torah is deemed as a false prophet.
Because they did not know what we know today, which is where babies come from.
Ok Young woman is a virgin... but that's it. Why did they(early church) feel the need to spice things up a bit and say GOD was the father, because a normal birth isn't all that special now is it? It's church propaganda and a lie, from my view.
This looks like you are copy and pasteing quotes off an anti-christian blog.
Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"
Originally posted by Engafan
Even if family line could go through the mother, Mary was not from a legitimate Messianic family. According to the Bible, the Messiah must be a descendent of David through his son Solomon (II Samuel 7:14; I Chronicles 17:11-14, 22:9-10, 28:4-6). The third chapter of Luke describes the lineage of David's son Nathan, not Solomon. (Luke 3:31)
Luke 3:27 lists Shealtiel and Zerubbabel in his genealogy. These two also appear in Matthew 1:12 as descendants of the cursed Jeconiah. If Mary descends from them, it would also disqualify her from being a Messianic progenitor.
Ok Young woman is a virgin... but that's it. Why did they(early church) feel the need to spice things up a bit and say GOD was the father, because a normal birth isn't all that special now is it? It's church propaganda and a lie, from my view.
Originally posted by Engafan
Still the prophecy states that the line was to pass through Solomon not Nathan, Bathsheba was Solomon's mother, not his wife.
Nathan and Solomon were the Children of David and Bathsheba
Not enough or too much coffee.edit on 27-1-2012 by Engafan because: (no reason given)
because all offspring of Nathan are offspring of David. Both Mary and Joseph are of the house of David.
Originally posted by Engafan
Nathan and Solomon are BROTHERS... Fathered by David and Bathsheba.
The Line is to pass through Solomon, Solomon's son is Rehoboam, well the only one listed. I don't know what I'm missing.
Originally posted by Engafan
Even if they are the descendants of Nathan... The Messiah in the bible that was prophesied in the books of the OT, can only be legit IF they descend from Solomon. According to the scriptures.
That is why I'm arguing that Jesus could not be the Messiah that was prophesied.
Christ lived and followed the Torah to a T, He mocked and attacked Pharisaical Judaism which had placed the opinions of venerated rabbis and scribes on par with the Word of God.
OK, then you are either one of three things, taking bar-mitzvah classes so you can convert, joined a Messianic Jew cult, or have taken a pledge to be a Noahide.
No I didn't convert... but why not address the biblical quotes at hand and discuss those, rather than side track what it is I quoted or where I dug up the quote at hand? Or should the quote itself matter?
Originally posted by Engafan
Even if they are the descendants of Nathan... The Messiah in the bible that was prophesied in the books of the OT, can only be legit IF they descend from Solomon. According to the scriptures.
That is why I'm arguing that Jesus could not be the Messiah that was prophesied.
. . . and that they're murderous by keeping their knifes sharp . . .