Israel launches 'deadly air strike' on Gaza

Five passports found on him!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope he did not die instantly.

Guess they failed to mention box-cutters, money in a sock and explosives.

The key information was how many different names on the passports.

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
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rahh

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Originally posted by hmdphantom
reply to post by DJAghetto

 

Iran ? Developing ? Just like Iraq developing now ?

Iran was just run by a pupet called Shah and all we could get was pet on the back. And Iran is more independent and so developing than it was then.

Their economy is sinking, the sanctions are piling up, they’re attempting to “stand up” to the Americans, and the country is on the brink of civil war. It’s a shame…

Excuse me . What is the name of the planet you live on ? Sanctions make us move faster toward independence. and the only true part you said was "the sanctions are piling up".

Are you seriously trying to sell me the idea that your country is in a stable economic situation at the moment? And now with the latest reports of India buying Iranian oil with gold, do you really think the US, EU, NATO, etc are going to allow that? More importantly, do you really think Russia and China will actually back Iran up?

Zionism hasn't accomplished taking lands from Nile till Furat , and is just moving toward it.

The fact is , even Arabs knew what was the plan of Israel and settling down with Israel meant also handing over their country to Israel. Because Israel would not settle down and will move to take all the lands it could.

US , UK and Israel were thinking "WE will go there , we will say we are friends , then we will take the land by force while claiming we are friends". But the didn't accomplished. Maybe they should have done that 500 years ago when communication was not developed as today is.

Or the time UK was dividing tribes and nations in different countries to have the key to divide and conquer.

But they chose the wrong time and they won't succeed.

If your fantasy, of Israel expanding from “the Nile to the Euphrates”, was true then:
1- Israel would’ve never given back the Sinai.
2- Israel would’ve never signed a peace treaty with Egypt
3- Israel would’ve never evacuated its settlements in the Gaza Strip and withdraw from there.
4- Israel would’ve never signed a peace treaty with Jordan.
5- Israel would’ve never withdrawn from southern Lebanon.
6- Israel would’ve annexed the Gaza Strip and the West Bank by now.

These actions, by Israel, don’t really help them “expand”. How do you “expand” when you’re withdrawing from territories and striking peace deals with neighboring countries that are strategically in the way of achieving borders that stretch from “the Nile to the Euphrates”?

Now, let’s look at it from a different perspective…

1- Israel is a nuclear-armed country, with one of the most technologically sophisticated and highly trained military in the world. This is FACT.

2- According to most ATSers and Anti-Israelis/”Zionists”, Israel doesn’t give a flying f**k about world opinion and is constantly “killing women and children.” This is CONSPIRACY.

When you mix these two together, the claim of Israel “expanding” doesn’t add up. If this were the case, Israel would have already made it to Iraq. There’s no military in the region that would stop them and the world (UN) would not engage militarily with a nuclear-armed country, which would effectively destroy this planet.

Basically, Israel CAN “expand” if it WANTED to. However, its actions paint a different story.

The idea of a “Greater Israel” is nothing more than a wet dream held by very few people.

Another mistake you are making is generalizing Saudi Arabia with Arab world. The only country wants Israel in Middle East is the US pet , Saudi Arabia.

Oh maybe I better say , the Saudi king alone.

You’re forgetting that no Arab country wants a nuclear-armed Iran and they all know that there’s only one country in the region that can neutralize that threat. Also, Israel provides Jordan with military protection and co-operates with Egyptian Intelligence agencies. Trust me… Saudi Arabia is definitely not the only one that needs Israel in the region.


Now back to the topic at hand…
Killing two people, who were planting explosives by the border, is not a “criminal act”. And as long as Hamas( or any other entity) attempts to attack Israel, there will be consequences. Will there be another military operation in the Gaza Strip? That will depend on the new leadership of Hamas.

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Maybe they would have done that , if it was 50s or before.

But after these complicated communication tool era.

They can not just use their lies to justify their dirty jobs.

They just need international sympathy to do what it wants and Mahmud Ahmadinejad just doomed their sympathy to fail.

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You’re forgetting that no Arab country wants a nuclear-armed Iran

So , name some Arab countries who don't want, then I would tell you the remaining of the list.

Jordan & Saudi Arabia are the two countries which puppets are running the countries and they are near to fall.

And of course puppets don't want to lose power.

Like Shah didn't like.

Originally posted by insaan
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There's a big barrier between Egyptian/Gazan border built by the occupying regime. That barrier continues to exist because Israel demands its existence in response for a peace treaty with Egypt. The barrier was built before the occupying regime withdrew from Gaza.

defense-update.com...

Let's leave the fact that the borders are controlled by Israel, let's talk about the air, and sea. You talk about the Oslo Accord "treaty", but that "treaty" has not been upheld by the occupying regime, note, the treaty demands an end to what some call "colonial expansion". As you can see, the illegal settlements continue and spreading faster. The Treaty was dead within a decade, because within a decade Israel continued building illegal settlements while demanding the opponents to uphold their side of the bargain.

Did the “occupying regime” NOT withdraw from the Gaza Strip? Is the whole West Bank territory under the rule of the “occupying regime”? The second Intifada effectively ended the Oslo treaty, but that means Israel should’ve re-taken the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. Did it? Does it really want to? The answer is NO.

You’re still bitching about the illegal settlements, but where was the PA when Israel issued a 10-month freeze on settlement construction? Oh yea, that’s right! They waited until the last month, the last minute to start peace talks. So how convenient was it for the PA to pull out when Israel started construction again? It’s funny how the PA places pre-conditions for peace talks, as if they’re actually in a position to make demands…

Besides, a lot of the new settlements are considered illegal by the Israel Supreme Court. And while the IDF do tear them down, the nutjob settlers come back as soon as the soldiers leave to start re-building. If you ask me, the most economical solution would be to strip these idiots of their Israeli citizenship and let the PA deal with them. The PA have their own security forces anyway.

It is an occupation which you refuse to admit, if American borders, sea and air was controlled by a foreign nation, it would be called an occupation. Sovereignty exists when you control your own airspace, borders and sea, non of which is controlled by the Democratically elected government of Palestine.

And I don't find it surprising that you focus on Gaza, as if Gaza is Palestine, refusing to mention the rest of the occupied territories, and the systematic "colonial expansion".

I never denied that there was a partial occupation of the West Bank. However, this thread and topic is about Gaza and therefore I focus on the Gaza Strip.

Sovereignty is a great luxury to have. But as you can see… The Palestinians have “democratically elected” a world renowned terrorist organization that, by its own charter and actions, has a disturbing history of attacking its neighbor. Do you honestly think that is a smart step toward achieving sovereignty?

There are other ways to reach peace and sovereignty, but violence and preaching hatred are not one of them.

Originally posted by hmdphantom
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Maybe they would have done that , if it was 50s or before.

But after these complicated communication tool era.

They can not just use their lies to justify their dirty jobs.

They just need international sympathy to do what it wants and Mahmud Ahmadinejad just doomed their sympathy to fail.

They could've done that, but it clearly wasn't their intention. In Israel's Declaration of Independence, they offered peace to their Arab neighbors:

...We extend our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East...

And what exactly happened the very next day?


As for Ahmadinejad, he's completely full of sh*t. He can say a lot of things. After all, all he does is TALKS. But when it comes to action, he leaves it up to Hezbollah and Hamas. Seriously, I've never seen a bigger p*ssy than him! LOL You think Israel is scared of the Ayatollah's puppet? You must be crazy!

Israel was created out of terror.

Israel is still a terrorist nation as well as a state sponsor of terror.

The early leaders of Israel were terrorists and self-admitted terrorists at that.

Today's leaders of Israel are also terrorists.

Israel has tried to and has succeeded in, to some degree, changing the definition of terrorist so that a terrorist is an amateur striking out against a uniformed military or an Apartheid regime like Israel.

According to the standard definition of terrorism the entire military of Israel is a terrorist organization because they do virtually nothing but use violence and the threat of violence against civilians.

The jig is up, Ghetto. The Zionists have lied to us one too many times and no one believes what you say anymore.

The internet allows us to see with our own eyes what is happening in the illegally occuppied territories and to listen to the abject hate coming from the mouth of Israeli soldiers, politicians, Rabbis and ordibary citizens.

Israel has lost the public relations war and you might as well stop typing and trying to cover up the crimes of Israel it will not work and it just makes Americans more an more angry that Zionists are lying to us.

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If you honestly want to try to help Israel you should convince them to pull out of the West Bank and back to the pre-1967 war that Israel started in order to steal the land in the first place.

If Israel had not attacked in 1967 they probably would be recognised by the whole world and the world would have forgiven the 1947 / 48 land theft and moced on.

By wanting more and more, building more settlements, attacking Syria, attacking Iraq, attacking Lebanon, attacking Gaza, killing people overseas, stealing passports, spying on the US and bribing government officials around the world Israel are pissing everyone off.

Can't you see from the posts on ATS the phone calls to C-SPAN and the general change in attitude that people are starting to turn on Israel?

If people like you don't stop defending Israelis crimes there will be a backlash against Israel that will not believe and it will come so suddenly you will not be able to even respond.

Israel is a tiny, weak country that can not survie without trade. Israel is not a Russia, China, US or India. If trade is cut off Israel will be strapped in a couple of weeks.

Israel acts tough but it is a tiny speck when it comes to the economy of the world and is one of the least significant countries on the planet.

No one, no country will miss if it is gone and at the rate it is going it will be gone soon.

"Israel is tiny, weak blah blah blah" - Yet Israel is the reason you and others are constantly whining in this site for a year in a row if not more. Pretty good job for such a weak, tiny nation.

If the Arabs did not attack us in 1948, one day after the independence announcement, you would not be sitting here whining your ass off to no end about how evil the Israelis are and how we want to take over the world (lol).

Face it - Arab neighbors tried attacking us when we were just a young nation, they failed, we won, game over. If they agreed to the peace terms in 1948, maybe the Palestinians in Gaza wouldn't be stuck in a buffer zone with no country (*COUGH*Jordan*COUGH*) ever wanting to take responsibility for them.

If Israel's goal was to expand as you so like to claim, we would have never returned Sinai, a land almost double the size of Israel's.
What's the explanation to that then? We want to expand, but we rather convince our neighbors we're nice, so we don't expend? Perfect logic.

You better recognize the fact that Israel is here to stay, or you'll have a very long time whining on this site.

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You better recognize the fact that Israel is here to stay,

to the Israelites in the book

The truth is that The Lord has the ultimate power.

Let me re-phrase that.

Israel is a huge pain in the ass politically but a tiny speck economically.

Israeli arrogant "Napolean Complex" entity and I have talked to loads of American Jews who have gone to Israel to visit and can not believe the attitude they encouter and feel very dissappointed that they and the US in general support Isreal and you little f**ks have no sense of appreciation and in fact spy on us and are just plain insolent.

Total Israeli exports per year are a rounding error on China's statistics.

We, the world, are sick of Israel scum yapping about this or that and what Israel deserves.

Israel deserves a swift kick in the ass with a frozen boot and while you are looking at Iran - the US, Russia or China is likely to do it.

The US general George Marshall warned Truman that allowing Israel to come into existence would be a huge mistake and he was so right about that.

When you lose the support of white, Christian Americans like me - you are in deep trouble and it is only going to get worse.

The greatest export of Israel is "bad attitude" and we have had about as much of it as we can handle so this is a great time to STFU.

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Originally posted by BRAVO949
reply to post by DJAghetto

 

If you honestly want to try to help Israel you should convince them to pull out of the West Bank and back to the pre-1967 war that Israel started in order to steal the land in the first place.

If Israel had not attacked in 1967 they probably would be recognised by the whole world and the world would have forgiven the 1947 / 48 land theft and moced on.

By wanting more and more, building more settlements, attacking Syria, attacking Iraq, attacking Lebanon, attacking Gaza, killing people overseas, stealing passports, spying on the US and bribing government officials around the world Israel are pissing everyone off.

Can't you see from the posts on ATS the phone calls to C-SPAN and the general change in attitude that people are starting to turn on Israel?

If people like you don't stop defending Israelis crimes there will be a backlash against Israel that will not believe and it will come so suddenly you will not be able to even respond.

Israel is a tiny, weak country that can not survie without trade. Israel is not a Russia, China, US or India. If trade is cut off Israel will be strapped in a couple of weeks.

Israel acts tough but it is a tiny speck when it comes to the economy of the world and is one of the least significant countries on the planet.

No one, no country will miss if it is gone and at the rate it is going it will be gone soon.

I would help Israel IF I had a time machine. I'd go back to 1967 and convince King Hussein of Jordan not to enter the war. That way, the West Bank would still be under Jordanian rule. Problem Solved. But then again, that’s just wishful thinking…

So you don’t like settlements? You don’t like it when Israel responds to rocket attacks on its territory? That’s great. Israel doesn’t like terror organizations calling for its destruction. Israelis don’t like to look up at the sky at night and say, “Wait a minute… That’s not a shooting star!” Israelis also don’t like it when people walk into café and just blow themselves up… You want to make a compromise?

Can you name me ONE intelligence agency that DOESN’T kill people overseas, steal passports, spy on the US (LOL), and bribe government officials? Why the double standard?

Israel has the 24th largest economy in the world. It’s ranked 17th (1st in the Middle East) in the UN Human Development Index. Israel is a world leader in software and telecommunications development. Israel also exports many military equipment and technologies throughout the world. That includes Russia, China, and India. Israel and China are even working on military projects together. Who do you think trained Chinese security personnel for the 2008 Olympics in Beijing? Israel is also a member of the ICC, ISO, ITUC, OECD, WCO, WFTU, and WTO. Oh and let’s not forget the 30 trillion cubic feet of oil and gas discovered in Israel over the past decade. lol Is that “weak” enough for you? Are you sure they won’t be missed?

How would you like to cut trade? Even the Arab countries (like Qatar, UAE, even Bahrain) don’t really follow the “boycott” and have secret back-door deals with Israel. Turkey has even INCREASED their trade with Israel after the flotilla provocations.

It’s people like YOU who put the whole Muslim population of the Middle East in jeopardy. You can preach the bullsh*t and hatred of Israel all you want, you’re only going to make the situation worse. Trying to corner a nuclear-armed country has never been attempted, for good reason. And I can assure you that, once the sh*t hits the fan, this scenario won’t have a fairytale ending. Can you imagine Islam with no Mecca?

That’s the difference between you and I. You support “Palestine”, while I support a two-state solution. You’re inciting hatred and pushing for a nuclear war, while I’m trying to prevent it. Co-existence is the KEY and if you can’t understand that, then this region will be destroyed. You’re so caught up with these fantasies of “evil Jews/Zionists”, “death to America”, “death to Israel”, etc that you’re not seeing the bigger picture…

It is you who does not see the big picture.

You don't see that American public opinion is shifting away from supporting Israel because we now have the internet and can watch Russia Today, Press TV, Al Jazeera, read Haaretz and see the photos and the video that Palestinians put on the net by way of cameras given to them by Israeli Jews who are sick of the perverted fascist racism that has taken over all official Israeli policy.

You probably want me to "hate Israel" but I don't. I don't hate storm clouds either because they are part of life, part of the world and most importantly they are temporary as Israel is temporary as East Germany was temporary.

Israel can not last because it takes more money, time and energy to try to preserve something that is based on pure Talmudic hate than anyone or anything can get out of it.

Israel is not only the most evil country in the world it is the only country that was founded on an ideology of hate.

Israel is an artificial concept incorporated by way of deception that has done nothing but evil from its inception.

No - there is no compromise.

There is no hope of a two state solution because Israel has lied, cheated and denied everything every day for the past 63 years.

Israel has lost its right to negotiate.

Remember, we don't negotiate with terrorists and Israel is now and always was a terrorist entity.

You are the one who does not get it.

Maybe you surround yourself with people who think like you do but more and more Americans are sick of the complaining little cheats and when we turn on Israel it will be gone before you can say "sorry."

If you could go back in time you should convince Herzl that Khazars stealing land from the Palestinians who are the descendants of the real Middle Eastern Jews was the stupidest idea of all time.

Its over for Israel.

CIA - Factbook

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www.cia.gov...

POP. GDP PerCapIncome
Hong Kong 7 million 326 Billion 45,900
Israel 7 million 219 Billion 29,800

Israel is a little bloodsucker entity that extorts money from the US and Germany and if it did not it would not exist. The US buys Israel government bonds then forgives them and if it did not Israel would not exist. The minute the US stopped feeding the screaming child Israel it would die. Israel would not last a week.

Originally posted by BRAVO949
It is you who does not see the big picture.

You don't see that American public opinion is shifting away from supporting Israel because we now have the internet and can watch Russia Today, Press TV, Al Jazeera, read Haaretz and see the photos and the video that Palestinians put on the net by way of cameras given to them by Israeli Jews who are sick of the perverted fascist racism that has taken over all official Israeli policy.

You probably want me to "hate Israel" but I don't. I don't hate storm clouds either because they are part of life, part of the world and most importantly they are temporary as Israel is temporary as East Germany was temporary.

I hope you know that propaganda is a two-edged sword. The sheeple can believe what they want. As you’ve said, people have the internet to conveniently support their own viewpoints. However, it’s the people in government that know the actual realities on the ground. That’s why Egypt and Jordan have signed peace treaties with Israel. That’s why Turkey has increased trade with Israel. It’s even why Israel is offering Syrian Alawite Muslims refuge in case Assad falls. Would Arab countries have secret economic deals with Israel if Israelis were THAT “evil”?

You see “the people” rallying for a cause that, in reality, has no basis. And as soon as the sheeple figure that out, it will all fall apart. What you DON’T see, is the actions that occur behind close doors. You also fail to acknowledge the military capabilities of each country in that region. And forget “economy” for a moment, because well… lol let’s face it; Israeli society is wildly more advanced than the Arab world. You should be focused on “civilization”, because that is what really matters. Like I said earlier, trying to corner a nuclear-armed country could potentially wipe out an entire civilization/culture. It’s either you clearly do not understand that or you actually want that to happen.

Israel can not last because it takes more money, time and energy to try to preserve something that is based on pure Talmudic hate than anyone or anything can get out of it.

Israel is not only the most evil country in the world it is the only country that was founded on an ideology of hate.

Israel is an artificial concept incorporated by way of deception that has done nothing but evil from its inception.

Talmudic hate? lol Are you completely ignorant of the fact that about 70% of Israel’s population is secular and about 15% is Muslim? While you’re at it, why don’t you claim that New York City and London don’t tolerate non-Catholics?

Israel may be the most evil country in the World, to a Muslim, because it is run mostly by Jews. Considering the teachings of the Quran, this is quite understandable. Historically, blind religious hate has been the worst disease on the planet and it continues to be. However, Israel technically meets the requirements of being part of “Dar al-Islam”. The only issue is that Israel is not controlled by Muslims. This is why Israel is considered to be “evil”.

Again… “Zionism” already happened. Its goal was to establish a Jewish homeland in the historical land of the Jews. This goal was accomplished in 1948. Since then, Israel has tried to achieve peace with its neighbors and has succeeded on two separate occasions.

No - there is no compromise.

There is no hope of a two state solution because Israel has lied, cheated and denied everything every day for the past 63 years.

Israel has lost its right to negotiate.

Remember, we don't negotiate with terrorists and Israel is now and always was a terrorist entity.

You are the one who does not get it.

No compromise? Oh well… lol who’s loss is that really?

There might be no hope for a two-state solution because the Arab world never agreed to it. They voted against the 1947 Partition Plan and invaded Israel as soon as it declared independence. Co-existence was never an option for the Arabs. “Pushing the Jews into the sea” WAS, though. YOU fail to understand that.

“We don’t negotiate”? Please define “we”. Hamas and Hezbollah can kidnap soldiers, blow up civilians, and launch rockets indiscriminately at its neighbor’s civilians FROM populated areas, while fully knowing what the consequences will be. Is that not terrorism? Or is that just “freedom fighters” afflicting more damages to its own citizens to make the enemy look bad?

We don’t negotiate… LOL As if they’re in a position to even make demands! And on top of that, you still don’t get the fact that violence is not the answer.

Originally posted by BRAVO949
Maybe you surround yourself with people who think like you do but more and more Americans are sick of the complaining little cheats and when we turn on Israel it will be gone before you can say "sorry."

If you could go back in time you should convince Herzl that Khazars stealing land from the Palestinians who are the descendants of the real Middle Eastern Jews was the stupidest idea of all time.

Its over for Israel.

“Sorry” lol But the massive migration of Russian Jews to Israel began in the early 1990s after the fall of the Soviet Union. The Jews in Israel, in the early 20th century, were mostly of European and Middle Eastern descent.

It’s not over until the fat lady explodes…

CIA - Factbook

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www.cia.gov...

POP. GDP PerCapIncome
Hong Kong 7 million 326 Billion 45,900
Israel 7 million 219 Billion 29,800

Israel is a little bloodsucker entity that extorts money from the US and Germany and if it did not it would not exist. The US buys Israel government bonds then forgives them and if it did not Israel would not exist. The minute the US stopped feeding the screaming child Israel it would die. Israel would not last a week.

Seriously? You’re comparing Israel with Hong Kong? How does that help you?

US foreign aid to Israel is approximately $3 billion, while Israel’s current GDP is approximately $240 billion. You want to talk about peanuts? Israel wouldn’t last a week?

What about the other recipients of US aid?
Afghanistan – $8.8 billion
Iraq - $4.8 billion
Egypt - $1.7 billion
Pakistan - $1.7 billion
Sudan - $1.2 billion
Palestinian Authorities - $1 billion

The Arab/Muslim world gets more than FIVE TIMES what Israel gets and you’re bitching about Israel? Where’s your logic? Why the double standard?

Instead of blurting out anti-Jewish/Zionist bullsh*t every time, why don’t you do some actual independent research for once? Otherwise, you’re just going to continue sounding like an ignorant, screaming child… lol

I laugh at how anything critical of the Israeli Government somehow is racist or anti Jewish. As if the Israeli government has claim over all the good people of Judea. Jewish people are not the government. Allot of people in Israel are being labeled "traitors" for advocating peace. Like the USA calling people who advocate peace "anti-american".

They are a self obsessed government bent on expanding borders and serving US interests. They (Israeli government) pass a judgment that anything critical of their policy is (anti-Semitic) which is a cowards way of coping out from responsibility for heinous actions against another group of people.

Dont do the "they started it" song and dance, its BS and we know it.
Bombs and bullets are not a deterrent, they are motivation for an enemy with no choice but to fight out of the wall he is put against.

Use your heads not your muscle. God?!

ghetto,

You seem to have a difficult time facing the reality of White, Christian Americans wanting to flush Israel down the toilet.

You better get used to it because we are the new enemy of Israel and that in itself means - it is over for Israel.

As the saying goes, "No better friend. No worse enemy."

I don't know where you are from or who you are but siding with Israel is going to be considered the wrong side of history soon.

The Zionists in Congress are trying to shut down the internet because the truth about Israel, the truth about Israeli Apartheid is all over the internet and if you had not notices there are several dozen members on ATS who are helping spread the truth about the racist state of Israel.

Israel is not a democracy. Never was and never will be because it is based on a racist ideology.

By the way the $3 billion the whiny little bloodsuckers in Israel get from us is just the the tip of the iceberg. The US buys Israeli government bonds and if we did no one else would and the sick perverted government of Israel would fail in a week.

The US forgives that debt every year that is what allows the filty entity you call Israel survive to kill another Palestinian child.

You are not going to win this argument on this thread so you might as well give up like so many other Zionists have on other threads.

You dare to talk about "civilization" in Israel? Really? Talmud - worst insult I can think of.

It is over for Israel.


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sounds like you are saying. 'if Israel could pick their leaders, like they do in America. then they wouldnt have a problem with palestine. but since they didnt elect who the israelies wanted. then there can be no peace."
well hell, americans better let israel keep putting their puppets in place, or there might be another attack on americans by israel.

Just to remind you. This thread is about the violence that Israel rains down on Gaza.

Israel is the bad guy!

And you dare mention the money that the US has spent destroying Afghanistan and Iraq at the behest of our Zionist overlords and claim that it is aid.

This is the perversion of Zionism.

Shoot a person and charge their family for the bullet.

Zionism is the problem

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I come back from a weekend vacation and that is your response?

You basically ignored everything I wrote and continued to preach about how “evil” Israel is with no actual evidence. Your “evidence” is “people in other governments (mainly U.S.) are Zionists”.

YOU don’t know what a Zionist is. Almost everyone on this site make accusations about Zionists which don’t make sense, indicating that they don’t know what a “Zionist” actually is. So you’re not the only one…

Also the event or act of “Zionism”, the establishment of a Jewish state in its ancestral homeland, has already occurred in 1948. It has been DEAD for over 60 years… Fearing “Zionism” is equivalent to fearing the Pharaohs. It’s simply laughable.

The claims of “expansion” are ridiculous to say the least. Since 1967, there has been no sign of Israel actually gaining ground towards the Euphrates. Then again, expansion is not Israel’s goal. If it was, Israel would’ve annexed the West Bank a long time ago.

And think about this: If Israel were to expand its borders to the Euphrates, what would it do with the millions of Arabs that would come under its authority? Israel wants to maintain a Jewish majority, right? So what would it do with its new Arab citizens?

1- Just kill them off, like the Armenian Genocide? Can you imagine the PR uproar in this scenario?
2- How about just forcing them to leave to another country? Israel didn’t do this in 1948, so why they do that now? They didn’t even force the Druze to leave the Golan Heights.
3- Or they could grant them citizenship. This is clearly the best solution, but Israel does not want a Muslim majority.

It simply does not make sense for Israel to even think about expansion, because they wouldn’t benefit from it at all.

Expansion is a joke.


Can you even define what a democracy is? Can you name me a few countries that don’t have different social classes? Can you explain to me why Israel has two official languages, Hebrew and Arabic? Can you explain to me why there are Arab political parties and members in the Israeli Knesset? Why are there Arab players on Israel’s national team? Better yet, why is there more than a million Arab Israeli citizens living in Israel?

Aside from “Israel is EVIL!”, what does Apartheid mean to you? And finally, other than “the Quran is the Solution”, what is Democracy in your eyes?




You think I’m trying to win an argument on this thread? lol Do you really think I give a sh*t or that it would matter? Unfortunately, this kind of argument will only be won on the battlefield. Israel objects to disappearing and the Arab/Muslim world object to co-existence. There’s not much room left for compromise…

You could win this argument if you want. You just need to say things that make sense and are logical. Say things that are TRUE. Labeling everyone, who disagrees with you, as a “Zionist” is pathetic. And whining all the time about how Israel is evil this and evil that, is not really productive. Why don’t you actually do something about it, other than spreading hatred and inciting violence against Israel? I hear the Hamas and Hezbollah are always recruiting new cattle. Or you can perhaps go solo; go to a nice, sweet restaurant in Jerusalem and just blow yourself up. Whatever works for you obviously… I’m not one to judge!

You seem to forget history too easily and I’m actually not worried about it being repeated…