Fluoride Linked to #1 Cause of Death in New Research

reply to post by Malcher

You are disseminating some seriously faulty information. The fact is you are getting excited for absolutely no reason.

Oh really?
How many times do i have to post the same links before you actually read them?
Let me dig out the actual research papers as well for you google-illiterate.

Flouride accumulation in pineal gland:
www.fluoridealert.org...
www.icnr.com...

Flouride Bone STRENGTH VS MASS

Although the dose-response curve indicates that sodium fluoride increases bone mass, this drug actually increases the fracture rate because it makes bone more brittle.

www.ccjm.org...

Flouride correlatin with hip fractures:
www.fluoridealert.org...

Flouride incurring detrimental bone stength
www.fluoridealert.org...

reply to post by NeoVain


I really dont want to download 40mb pdf from fluoridealert.com and the other link is trying to sell something. Which is fine but could it be a little biased?

Where is the proof that people in countries that add fluoride (btw, people in countries that do NOT add could be getting as much fluoride naturally) have more fractures or pineal gland problems. geesh, what do we even know about this gland?

reply to post by Malcher

I really dont want to download 40mb pdf from fluoridealert.com and the other link is trying to sell something.

LOL.

What you really are saying here, is "I really do not want to find out the truth, since that would destroy all my arguments and maybe force me to admit i an just a disinfo troll"

So, lets see. NeoVan has one of the top ranking EPA types on his side and the EPA fella has most of the Union following behind him, so excellent peer support.

NeoVan has lots of doctors telling fluoride in the water is bad, and even this one here tells the same fluoride dangers the NeoVan puts forth. One doesn't need an MD to put forth the obvious:

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www.mbschachter.com...

The Dangers of Fluoride and Fluoridation
by Michael Schachter M.D., F.A.C.A.M.

Approximately half of the United States' drinking water supply is fluoridated in an attempt to reduce dental cavities in children. Is this state of affairs justified? Is it safe?

Most Americans are unaware of the dangers of ingesting fluoride. Most dentists, physicians and scientists are unaware of the dangers of fluoride and water fluoridation. According to a 1988 article in the prestigious Chemical and Engineering News, scientific voices of opposition to fluoridation have been suppressed, since 1950 when the U.S. Public Health Service first endorsed fluoridation. Power tactics including threats, ridicule and frank censorship aimed at scientists and clinicians knowledgeable about fluoridation have prevented the truth about fluoride to be disseminated to the science world as well as to the public. Whenever a public agency is charged with objectively evaluating the safety of a procedure while at the same time endorsing and recommending it, a serious conflict of interest is set up. This is exactly the position of the U.S. Public Health Service for the past 44 years.

Facts About Fluoride

So, what are some of the facts about fluoride? According to the handbook, Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products, fluoride is more poisonous than lead and just slightly less poisonous than arsenic. It is a cumulative poison that accumulates in bone over the years. According to the Physicians Desk Reference, "in hypersensitive individuals, fluorides occasionally cause skin eruptions such as atopic dermatitis, eczema, or urticaria. Gastric distress, headache, and weakness have also been reported. These hypersensitive reactions usually disappear promptly after discontinuation of the fluoride."

From 1990 to 1992, the Journal of the American Medical Association published three separate articles linking increased hip fracture rates to fluoride in the water. In the March 22, 1990 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine, Mayo Clinic researchers reported that fluoride treatment of osteoporosis increased hip fracture rate and bone fragility.

A study by Procter and Gamble showed that as little as half the amount of fluoride used to fluoridate public water supplies resulted in a sizable and significant increase in genetic damage. Epidemiology research in the mid-1970's by the late Dr. Dean Burk, head of the cytochemistry division of the National Cancer Institute, indicated that 10,000 or more fluoridation-linked cancer deaths occur yearly in the United States. In 1989, the ability of fluoride to transform normal cells into cancer cells was confirmed by Argonne National Laboratories. Results released in 1989 of studies carried out at the prestigious Batelle Research Institute showed that fluoride was linked to a rare form of liver cancer in mice, oral tumors and cancers in rats, and bone cancer in male rats. Since 1991, the New Jersey Department of Health found that the incidence of osteosarcoma, a type of bone cancer, was far higher in young men exposed to fluoridated water as compared to those who were not.

In addition to the well documented toxic effects of fluoride, fluoride even at dosages of 1 part per million, found in artificially fluoridated water, can inhibit enzyme systems, damage the immune system, contribute to calcification of soft tissues, worsen arthritis and, of course, cause dental fluorosis in children. These are unsightly white, yellow or brown spots that are found in teeth exposed to fluoride during childhood. In 1993, the Subcommittee on Health Effects of Ingested Fluoride of the National Research Council admitted that 8% to 51% and sometimes up to 80% of the children living in fluoridated areas have dental fluorosis. Malnourished people, particularly children, usually targeted for fluoridation, are at greater risks to experience fluoride's harmful effects.

Surprisingly, the most recent studies do not even show that water fluoridation is effective in reducing tooth decay. In the largest U.S. study of fluoridation and tooth decay, United States Public Health Service dental records of over 39,000 school children, ages 5-17, from 84 areas around the United States showed that the number of decayed, missing, and filled teeth per child was virtually the same in fluoridated and non-fluoridated areas. Dr. John Colquhoun, former Chief Dental Officer of the Department of Health for Auckland, New Zealand, investigated tooth decay statistics from about 60,000 12 to 13 year old children and showed that fluoridation had no significant effect on tooth decay rate.

Given all of this scientific information, what is behind this push for universal fluoridation? Prior to 1945, fluoride was properly regarded as an environmental pollutant. It was responsible for many lawsuits against industries, such as the aluminum industry and the phosphate fertilizer industry, whose waste products contain large quantities of fluoride. This fluoride destroyed crops and animals, leading to the lawsuits. The limited public view was that fluoride was an environmental pollutant that needed to be reduced or eliminated from the environment.

As a result of clever public relations campaigns, fluoride was transformed from an environmental pollutant to an essential nutrient necessary for producing healthy teeth. The science was poor, but the P.R. campaign was great. Being against fluoride was like being against motherhood or apple pie. Industries not only made millions from selling this environmental pollutant to water companies and toothpaste companies, but more importantly, it saved billions of dollars that would be required to clean up this environmental pollutant.

So, what can you do to protect yourself from fluoride?

First, avoid fluoridated water. Much of the metropolitan area, including New York City water is artificially fluoridated. Boiling water removes chlorine, but concentrates fluoride. Water filters do not remove fluoride, unless there is a reverse osmosis component. Children should avoid fluoridated vitamins and fluoride treatments at the dentist. Everyone should avoid fluoridated toothpaste. The concentration of fluoride in water is 1 ppm, in toothpaste 1,000 ppm and in fluoride dental rinses 10,000 ppm. Work on your legislators to get fluoride out of the water supplies.

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reply to post by MagnumOpus


Croatia does not add fluoride to their water. Hong Kong adds it. Are you saying that in Croatia there is lower incidinces of

"in hypersensitive individuals, fluorides occasionally cause skin eruptions such as atopic dermatitis, eczema, or urticaria. Gastric distress, headache, and weakness have also been reported. These hypersensitive reactions usually disappear promptly after discontinuation of the fluoride."

Do they have less or no hip fractures in Croatia where fluoride is not added, no cancer?

How about France compared to Ireland where the do add it.

What about various parts of the U.K where some do add and some do not? Because to be honest i have never heard of or am aware of any differences.

So far it seems the incidence is of hip fractures in Croatia is on par with other countries or are you saying it is much lower? According to your research they must never happen there:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

reply to post by THEDUDE86


Thank you (and the two posters above you) for replying.
I may look into it. It would just be interesting to try for a while and see if there is a noticeable difference after a few months. Little things make big changes. My brother is in the process of giving up soda pop and after a few days he has been feeling groggy and said it is very noticeable change. I am sure after a few weeks he will normalize.

reply to post by Malcher

Because to be honest i have never heard of or am aware of any differences.

Well if you actually did take the time to do your research properly you would have. Re-reading the links in this thread could be a good start, since all such research have already been covered.

Originally posted by NeoVain
reply to post by Malcher

 

Because to be honest i have never heard of or am aware of any differences.

Well if you actually did take the time to do your research properly you would have. Re-reading the links in this thread could be a good start, since all such research have already been covered.

It is fine to post ACTUAL data that proves your case, you guys dont seem to have any problem posting theories. Since plenty of time has passed since it was first added where are the actual numbers because without those numbers we are not getting PROOF. From what i am reading the numbers dont pan out for you though. Maybe I am wrong, but where are the REAL numbers?

Just wanted to add, before you guys go stripping all the minerals from your water you should really read up on it. You drink only water that was stripped of minerals you may be doing more harm than good.

www.live-in-green.com...

reply to post by Malcher

From what i am reading the numbers dont pan out for you though. Maybe I am wrong, but where are the REAL numbers?

Wrong again. The numbers are all there, and they are real. This is getting tiresome? maybe click the links?

reply to post by Malcher


ntp.niehs.nih.gov...

Our govt wages mass genocide on americans with fluoride

Originally posted by TheComte
Oh, brother. You two guys are very humourous indeed.

Let me ask you this? The Nazis were notorious for keeping accurate records, even so far as they were used against them at Nuremburg. Why no mention of this fluoridation scheme in the millions of written records captured after the war?

I really feel that no amount of evidence, or lack of it in your cases, will be enough to dispel your ignorance. So, feel free to carry on with your fantasies.

Are you proposing that the large number of civilized countries across the globe, from 3rd world to 1st world havens in Europe are "ignorant" and "living in a fantasy" when they make it illegal to put fluoride in their water supplies? I would love for you to parade your supposed "logic" in front of them.

America. Land of the Free, unless it's concerning your health, because we don't care about your health.

Originally posted by Malcher
Just wanted to add, before you guys go stripping all the minerals from your water you should really read up on it. You drink only water that was stripped of minerals you may be doing more harm than good.

www.live-in-green.com...

That's exaggerated and I'd argue nearly completely false.

If you have a vitamin deficiency, it's not because of the water you drink, it's because your diet is very poor. If you're 'breaking even' on minerals and vitamins because you drink 'tap water', then your diet is irresponsible and unhealthy.

Normally people that take strides in getting clean water, they typically have the rest of their diet in-check, or on the road to do so. They usually lead very different lifestyles by the time they to get to the whole water thing. Water doesn't contain the majority of minerals your body needs. It's water. You get mostly what you need from produce and other proper foods.

Most people in America do not eat proper food. The vast majority of food in America is poor and quality, disgusting, tastes awful and is loaded with preservatives and "faux-ingredients". The animals raised for slaughter are some of the sickest creatures on the planet.

The livestock is typically not properly fed, does not graze, and loaded with antiobiotics, yet they still end up wallowing in their feces and urine, neck-to-neck with other animals. Veritable pits of disease and suffering, then they're slaughtered, sprayed with ammonia, turned into an unidentifiable paste, and then shipped off.

This is why we have so many health problems in America. Obesity, diabetes, everything. It's the food, it's the food, it's the food.

reply to post by SyphonX


No. The fantasies are saying that fluoridation is used to 'dumb down' a population, keep them docile, third eye pineal gland BS, and all those new age mumbo jumbo effects that people say it has. Also that the Nazis or Russians used it in some conspiracy against prisoners. That is all pure fantasy.

Not to mention all the ill effects people say fluoridation has where there are no studies to prove causal links.

Originally posted by TheComte
reply to post by SyphonX

 

No. The fantasies are saying that fluoridation is used to 'dumb down' a population, keep them docile, third eye pineal gland BS, and all those new age mumbo jumbo effects that people say it has. Also that the Nazis or Russians used it in some conspiracy against prisoners. That is all pure fantasy.

Not to mention all the ill effects people say fluoridation has where there are no studies to prove causal links.

The way to spot a disinformation person is when they ignore the obvious, to the point their brains appear fried as this avitar suggests:

www.fluoridation.com...


www.fluoridation.com...


And if a train car load is delivered to the discussions they offer the same irrational comments of continual denials with the goal to derail the rational discussions of the issues.

Originally posted by Malcher
reply to post by NeoVain

 

I really dont want to download 40mb pdf from fluoridealert.com and the other link is trying to sell something. Which is fine but could it be a little biased?

Where is the proof that people in countries that add fluoride (btw, people in countries that do NOT add could be getting as much fluoride naturally) have more fractures or pineal gland problems. geesh, what do we even know about this gland?

edit on 20-1-2012 by Malcher because: (no reason given)

Sounds to me like you have already made up your mind about fluoride.. so go ahead.

Keep taking it in, infact take it all in, consume all the fluoride you can get.


I give up.

reply to post by TheComte


To an extent, I'd agree with you. I'm not totally sold on most conspiracy theories, or the "new age mumbo jumbo".. or anything like that. I'm at the point where, I wouldn't be surprised if such a theory were correct (docile, dumb-down, etc.), but good luck trying to get "proof". If a system like that was rooted in-place, then surely it would be difficult to find evidence of it, as that would be probably be 'covered', to say the least.

Thing is, even a logical person should be able to conclude that a hazardous substance given to them against their will, defies logic and individual liberty. Even if you don't think fluoride is hazardous (for some.. unexplained reason), how could you agree it should be dosed to everyone against their will? I'd argue that most Americans (and other fluoridated countries) don't even know anything about fluoride, but if you told them about it, and they learned what fluoride really was, they'd be against it.

So conspiracies aside...

Dosed against one's will, absent of their consent. Acceptable... yay or nay?

Cheap fluoridated toothpaste is easy to obtain (extremely cheap), if someone believes in the purported effects, and chooses to dose themselves of their own free will.

secretsouthafrica.wordpress.com...


In addition to these shocking facts it has been further discovered by fluoride researcher Ian E. Stephens that Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher tripled the water-fluoridation budget in Northern Ireland during the mid 80’s. Stephens speculated that this was not motivated by concern for dental health, but an attempt to pacify political activists in the area. It is no secret that Thatcher opposed sanctions on apartheid South Africa and publicly condemned ANC members as terrorists.

During the past 10 years South African water boards and Rand Water specifically have been making submissions to government ministries. These submissions center around acquiring indemnity from the Department of Health against any claims arising from the fluoridation of water giving rise to possible health implications on individuals or impact on the environment. The Department of Health has responded that any claims regarding possible health implications or impact on the environment on industrial water users must be made against the Minister of Health. In this way the water boards will not be found liable should any claims arise from the fluoridated water.

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During World War II hundreds of thousands of innocents were exterminated in concentration camps in Russia and Germany. Nazi scientists keen on controlling the behaviour of camp inmates experimented with fluoride. Repeated doses of very small amounts of fluoride were discovered to affect the brain, slowly poisoning and narcotizing people, making them submissive. Eager to exploit the effects of the drug, both German and Russian camp commanders added fluoride to water supplies. The German chemical manufacturing giant I.G. Farben became responsible for mass producing fluoride for the death camps and other possible future uses. Today over 60 tranquilizers on the market contain fluoride. Strong tranquilizers like Rohypnol and Stelazine are highly fluoridated and like the majority of brands in the market they are produced by I.G. Farben and its subsidiaries (Roche products being one of them).

American soldiers entering Germany at the end of the war made the liberating of prisoners of war at concentration camps a priority. At camp after camp, they found stockpiles of fluoride stored near the water supply. When they asked what the fluoride was used for, they were told that the Nazi Germans used the substance as an additive to the prisoner’s water, to make them docile. This is the first known incidence of intentionally fluoridating drinking water.

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