Warmonger Thread

Originally posted by seabag

I stand by what I said. Most people who support Iran do so because they have great distain for America. There are many Americans who would LOVE to see America no longer be a superpower and would love to see another country teach America a lesson. That’s a fact…

We danced earlier in this thread , but this quote prompted a response.
You couldn,t be more wrong.
And puh-lease , playing the victim card, that's being taken by a ally of yours.

If you can't see why people are against this possible aggression with Iran, using the previous 10 years and 2 imperialistic invasions of helpless countries, then your Boot Camp Sarge did his job well.

Why did we attack Iraq again, so many excuses, so little truth.

Afgan , seemed like a good idea, by the way , who is ruling there nowadays ?

What pisses me off is America could have been the greatest Empire in history, had so much potential, but it is doing what ALL dying Empires do, using its military to rape ,pillage and plunder, One last Hurrah so to speak.

reply to post by boredsilly

GI Joe baying for war because he has nothing to lose and must direct his hate somewhere.

Never bayed!! Try again!!

Look at your avatar for christs sake, did you never develop further then the toy soldier stage, you know the stage most of us lads grow out of when reaching our teens!

So you love my avatar? Thanks buddy. I love it too! Once A Marine Always A Marine (can’t grow out of it). It’s called commitment…dedication to duty…teamwork…camaraderie…things you have yet to learn apparently.

Have you never loved?
Do you not have a wife and kids?
Wouldn’t you rather be with them then playing soldiers in some poor country that wants only to defend itself from bullies such as yourself?

Mitigating risks to their security is my highest priority, which is why I believe Iran should not be allowed to possess nuclear weapons. Iran's leaders are fanatical nutjobs.

What part of you is missing that makes you want to fight? Why do you worship death and destruction like others do their God?

I don’t want to fight. I don’t worship death.

Iran is not the problem my friend; lemmings such as yourself, only to willing to march off to war because their government tells them to, are.

Iran is not a problem. A NUCLEAR Iran is a BIG problem.

Originally posted by grantbeed
What about the danger of Pakistans Nukes? Do we go in and wipe those out too, because like it or not, they are an exponential threat to the World.

Agreed...

US/China and Pakistan. No False Flag needed!

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
Afgan , seemed like a good idea, by the way , who is ruling there nowadays ?

Not the Taliban.

What pisses me off is America could have been the greatest Empire in history, had so much potential, but it is doing what ALL dying Empires do, using its military to rape ,pillage and plunder, One last Hurrah so to speak

Meanwhile people just love their lifeline of oil.
Just don't ask how it got there.

reply to post by Bicent76

Ok, you need to SERIOUSLY study some history.

1: US already IS the first country to have nuked a city.
2: US is the ONLY country in the entire world who has nuked a city.

Ignorance at its best.

And before you claim that " you hate the US.", know this,
i hate every single person on the planet EQUALLY.

Originally posted by LionOfGOD


i hate every single person on the planet EQUALLY.

I don't know why I almost fell out of my chair laughing at this statement!

God, please forgive me if it's because I can identify with this statement! Amen!

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by dadgad

 

You know you are pretty wrong. They are very much under threat of invasion, nuclear weapon or not. The oil industry wants back what they deem theirs.

Evidence please?? Unless you can back up what you say it’s just speculation.

Has America ever invaded Iran? We supposedly went to war with Iraq for oil…WHERE IS IT? I’m tired of paying $3.25 for a gallon of gasoline. Where is all this oil??

Are you even aware of Iranian history?

And just because they captured the oil reserves in Iraq (which they did) that doesn't guarantee lower prices. Why would it?

The situation in my opinion is not so complicated. US Middle-East policies is driving Iran into defensive mode and they have all right to do so. If I where the leader of Iran I would want a nuke too, just to scare these invaders off.
The US wants the Middle-East under total control. Doing that will guarantee their position as absolute masters of this planet.

What makes you think they (Iran) would use such a weapon if they obtained it? It would be suicide. They are no match for the US nuclear weapons arsenal.

In any case. I oppose all nuclear weapons programs. And I think it should be the US and Russia to start dismantling theirs first. But this will not happen because they want to maintain their positions as guaranteed superpowers.

I'ts easy OP saying your pov when you have the bigger stick to wave, just wondering how your post would change if everything Iran has now the USA had and nothing more, and then the USA announced it wanted to build nuclear reactors......how would it feel when other countries turned round and said no way you are after building nuclear weapons, we don't believe what you say etc

About time the "world's police" stepped back a little and looked after matters back home.

Wolfie

reply to post by dadgad


Still no evidence, huh?

When you make claims you should back them up with a reference if you expect it to be considered legit, otherwise it’s just your opinion. You claimed that Iran is being threatened and needs a nuke to defend itself and you claim US oil companies think Iran’s oil belongs to them. Back it up!!

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Not the Taliban.

edit on 17-1-2012 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)

Incorrect.

The US and Afghani governments are currently negotiating with the remnants of the Taliban. They will most definitely have representation inside Afghanistan after all coalition troops withdraw.

Even the most optimistic predictions see them as a long term member, if not leading member of future Afghani governments.

The question is not "are the Taliban gone"? It is more "are they more moderate now"?

For the most part, they are. Will they stay that way in the future? Sadly, a lot of that depends on Pakistan.

reply to post by Wolfie_UK

I'ts easy OP saying your pov when you have the bigger stick to wave, just wondering how your post would change if everything Iran has now the USA had and nothing more, and then the USA announced it wanted to build nuclear reactors......how would it feel when other countries turned round and said no way you are after building nuclear weapons, we don't believe what you say etc

I imagine the US would not exist today if the tables were turned. Iran has made it clear they want death to America. When has America ever attacked Iran??

About time the "world's police" stepped back a little and looked after matters back home.

As soon as the world’s tyrants and fanatical idiots stop trying to acquire the means to kill us we will gladly stop….and not a moment sooner.

Originally posted by Wolfie_UK
I'ts easy OP saying your pov when you have the bigger stick to wave, just wondering how your post would change if everything Iran has now the USA had and nothing more, and then the USA announced it wanted to build nuclear reactors......how would it feel when other countries turned round and said no way you are after building nuclear weapons, we don't believe what you say etc

About time the "world's police" stepped back a little and looked after matters back home.

Wolfie

If the tables were turned, to the exact opposite, with the exact circumstances, I personally would expect to have my country struck down.

Originally posted by seabag
When has America ever attacked Iran??

Overtly or covertly?

Neither have ever attacked each over overtly.

Both have attacked each other covertly.

Originally posted by peck420
Incorrect.

The US and Afghani governments are currently negotiating with the remnants of the Taliban. They will most definitely have representation inside Afghanistan after all coalition troops withdraw.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
Afgan , seemed like a good idea, by the way , who is ruling there nowadays ?

Even the most optimistic predictions see them as a long term member, if not leading member of future Afghani governments.

The question is not "are the Taliban gone"? It is more "are they more moderate now"?

For the most part, they are. Will they stay that way in the future? Sadly, a lot of that depends on Pakistan.

Moderate Taliban have been in negotiations for years. This is not new News to many here.

They are now mostly made up of Afghan and Pakistani Pashtun. The former Taliban Government was made up of a large percentage of Non-Afghans.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by dadgad

 

Still no evidence, huh?

When you make claims you should back them up with a reference if you expect it to be considered legit, otherwise it’s just your opinion. You claimed that Iran is being threatened and needs a nuke to defend itself and you claim US oil companies think Iran’s oil belongs to them. Back it up!!

Look. Iran has been under a 24 year regime controlled by US and British power. That is why they hate America so much by the way.

Certainly I can't give you documented evidence that they want it back, but it seems perfectly logical to me. And they are using Irans defensive behavior against themselves. The initial aggressors are and always have been the US. Now they are completely surrounding by US power. This tells you something doesn't it?

reply to post by dadgad


It tells me that Iran has had US presence in its back yard for decades and the US has never gone to war with Iran. So why the big hurry to get nukes?

Better question…..How can you possibly think Iran with nuclear weapons makes a safer world? Ignore all other countries for a minute and focus on Iran. How do you justify allowing lunatics who fund terrorism to acquire a nuclear weapon? I believe there is no logic in this. Prove me wrong.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by peck420
Incorrect.

The US and Afghani governments are currently negotiating with the remnants of the Taliban. They will most definitely have representation inside Afghanistan after all coalition troops withdraw.

You can roll your eyes all you want.

The Taliban now have an official office in Doha, with the consent of the US, and are planning for a liaison office/embassy in Qatar...also with US.

Of course, that wouldn't be negotiating at all would it?

reply to post by peck420


Admit it...

You got caught with your pants down.

He asked "Who is ruling there now" not who might be in power later.

How's the shoe leather taste?

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by dadgad

 

It tells me that Iran has had US presence in its back yard for decades and the US has never gone to war with Iran. So why the big hurry to get nukes?

Better question…..How can you possibly think Iran with nuclear weapons makes a safer world? Ignore all other countries for a minute and focus on Iran. How do you justify allowing lunatics who fund terrorism to acquire a nuclear weapon? I believe there is no logic in this. Prove me wrong.

I have never said it would make a safer world. But do US policies make this world safer? I don't think so.

Their behavior has a good reason for it, thats what I'm saying.

Only an idiot believes Iran wants nuclear tech for energy needs.

That said though, who are we to dictate defense policy for a sovereign nation? Nuclear tech is nearly 70 years old technology, kind of hard to keep it secret these days. If they want it, they likely already have it in some capacity.

Sure, they hate us, but does that give us the right to ignore international law? No.

Maybe with the reality of MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction), they'll be a bit less saber-rattling themselves....?

If nothing else, perhaps they and their neighbors will both blow each other up?

We're spending way too much money being the world's policemen. If they get nukes AND a delivery system capable of reaching America from Iranian soil, THEN we may want to reconsider, but otherwise, we need to reign back and let folks take care of their own problems.

After all, it's being the World Police that got us in this mess to begin with (Iran hating us)...that, and our reliance on foreign oil.