Is the GOP finally taking Ron Paul seriously ?

Originally posted by Diablos

Originally posted by WookiepYou're not doing so hot. I thought you were supposedly educated??

You never addressed this:

The words of one retired intelligence officer means 100% conclusively that RP is right on everything? How do you realistically expect me to address this?

For example, there are many more top retired military and intelligence officials that claim UFO's are indeed alien controlled space craft. Does that mean we take everything they say at face value? Are retired intelligence and military officials infallible?

And the words of you should mean even more? Do you think that by coming on here touting your un-educated, snarky and arrogant pro-war stance means anything? Afterall, you have no backing by any substantial source (other than perhaps say, some partisan political pundits) whatsoever and somehow that makes you smarter than a military intelligence official? Do you even think ever? Go back to school, seriously.

reply to post by Diablos

War is the province of greedy old men unable to cooperate with each other because they have to assert that their peen is bigger than the next guy. An enlightened humanity would find a way to resolve differences without the need to kill, maim,injure and destroy the lives of innocent people that have no voice in the matter. If you are advocating the continuation of war practices, you are effectively advocating for the continued retarding of our species' advancement towards a peaceful, non-destructive existence. War never goes away because people like you lack the intellectual and moral depth to resolve differences without stooping to the level of a feces flinging primate.

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Do you know who Hobbes is, Diablos? I feel like you would really enjoy his work. Although, with the way you ramble on like a little prat, asserting your opinions as if they were the divined great truths of god, I would assume you've never picked up a philosophy book in your entire life. War is ingrained in man's blood? Tell that to the painters, the authors, the musicians, the actors, the clergymen; hell, tell it to the landscapers. There are literally hundreds, if not thousands of professions and vocations a man can have, and for a species that "has been and always will be violent", very few of them actually seem to involve violence. For a species that has war, if not violence, "ingrained" in it, it would appear that our mannerisms are quite peaceful. There are a total of 2,937,899 United States troops. As of July, 2009 the population of the United States was 307,006,550. That would appear to be a lot of people denying their "human nature".
As to your "benefits" of war, I think you have made the absolute logical failure of applying Darwinism to warfare. Allow me to educate you, since you've CLEARLY never taken a biology class. Darwanism speaks of traits that allow for survival of the fittest in a natural environment. Such as the evolution of drought tolerant plants in the desert. As for social evolution, we might draw the parallel of the evolution of a stronger skull base in rams to allow them to compete for a female's attention through their headbutting competitions. War, contrary to your narrow-minded, uneducated view point DOES NOT ENFORCE THE PRINCIPLES OF NATURAL SELECTION. Anyone in war can die, regardless of their intellect, physical characteristics, or "fitness" as a mate. If a grenade explodes in your face, or you take a mortar round to the chest, you could have the best genes in the world, you still happen to be dead. This is what we call RANDOM selection. Which, because of the LOSS OF GENETIC DIVERSITY WHICH IS THE WHOLE ENTIRE POINT OF HUMAN EXISTENCE IN THE FIRST PLACE, is COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE TO HUMAN EXISTENCE.

To debate another point, population reduction, from a Darwinian standpoint, as that seems to be where you would like my rebuttal to come from... Population reduction. Population reduction is ONLY beneficial to a species when it has either A.) Exceeded it's natural carrying capacity, or B.) The genes lost are in fact detrimental to the survival of the species. All other losses, once again this time so maybe you'll hear me, constitute a LOSS OF GENETIC DIVERSITY WHICH IS THE WHOLE ENTIRE POINT OF HUMAN EXISTENCE IN THE FIRST PLACE, is COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE TO HUMAN EXISTENCE.

Next point, "it ensures the victors the chance to reproduce". What in god's name does that even mean? Let me fill you in on something you might not have been aware of.... wait for it... here it comes.... sit tight.... THEY ALWAYS HAD THE CHANCE TO REPRODUCE. Contrary to your beliefs, war REDUCES population, making it LESS LIKELY, that reproduction will occur to its fullest potential. There is no pre-war restriction on reproduction that is suddenly alleviated after a good fight.

Finally, "vast material and resource gains". This may actually be your strongest argument. However, I think you forget one of your lessons from preschool, SHARING. As I believe I've well proven to anyone with two functioning hemispheres, war is counter-productive to the survival and perfection of the human genome. So, if we decided to form a world government and distribute resources as needed, we wouldn't need to WASTE resources on the perfection and manufacturing of your beloved war devices.

I would actually LOVE to take the bet that thousands of years from now there will still be wars. Because you don't seem to understand that the social evolution of man actually leans towards the development of altruism rather than war. It is the major failures of those in political leader positions that leads to war, not a natural state of man.

Next time, display some intelligence or, at the least, rational thought behind ANYTHING you say, or I will be forced to assume you are capable of neither.

If you are going to attempt to debate me, feel free, but after reading the entire thread and finding the sum of your "arguments" to be ad hominem, or complete fanciful opinion, I can assure you, you are outclassed.

And with that, I bid you,GOOD DAY, SIR!

reply to post by Diablos


If you are a second year college student then you have no idea what it means to be educated or a hippie.

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But he is SECOND YEAR college student, he knows everything.

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So you support the war enough to send other people to die in other countries but not to go fight yourself.

You are a Chicken Hawk, plain and simple. \

wow, Diablos, every time you post you just never cease to amaze. There really is no hope for you, i can't even believe that someone can be so stupid and blind yet still talk like they believe it 100%, it's really amazing.

Luckily for you, dumb people like you will be saved by the intelligent people, but i'm sure you still wont thank them then

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I knew right from your first post your a big supporter of the milllitary industrial complex and had desire to land a job in it after collage . Well kiddo there's a bright future for you . You'll be paid very well while others your generation are sent of to die and kill and come home broken in mind and body . You may even get to work on some of the latest tech for the coming police state .

Americans, you can all agree that Saturday Night Live has a lot of political sway, right? I mean, lots of hip people watch that show, and how politicians are portrayed makes a difference in elections, right? So, it is a moral obligation to show Ron Paul in a positive light. Therefore, shows like SNL need to know that the public wants to see Ron Paul. Leave comments on their board, and other places online:

www.nbc.com...

Originally posted by Diablos

Originally posted by xstealthDo you believe our troops are fighting terrorists overseas? Prove it please...

I actually have been overseas, and I see who we are fighting. They are Taliban and not terrorists, but I don't expect you to know the difference.

No genius, it's not a 'conspiracy theory'.

The fact that you believe a group who has physically supported the terrorist organization that were responsible for 9/11 are not terrorists is shocking and shows truly how unpatriotic you are.

Just goes to show how fringe and extreme the typical RP supporter is.

No, our own allie Saudi Arabia had more to do with supporting the 9/11 terrorists than Afghanistan or Iraq; do you see us attacking them? What about Egypt also? Instead of attacking them, the government supported al quida.

Truthful isn't fringe, however denying the truth is idiotic; a category you clearly fall in.

Originally posted by Diablos

Originally posted by xstealthWe don't generate money (towards debt) from taxes from the employed Americans!! It doesn't go towards the debt, it goes to the interest on the debt. ALL OF IT.

Prove it.

easy...

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Diablos

It sounds as if you're insinuating Dr. Paul's so-called craziness demonstrates the competence of your classmates, friends, engineering professors, physics professors, and TA's. I just can't think of any other reason you'd make such a claim.

At any rate, how can you be out of a job by the time you graduate if you're a full-time student? That is, laying claim to something you don't have before you don't have it is ... peculiar.

As for Dr. Paul's strong belief in "free trade" I suggest you fit in a macroeconomics course (no doubt taught by a die-hard Keynesian) and ask the prof. if he/she subscribes to free trade. Better yet here's a sampling of what PhD level economists think about free trade (econjwatch.org...).

The interesting thing to note is that Dr. Paul's pro free trade position (see % breakdown in tarrifs and import quotas) resonates strongly among economists. And as regards outsourcing jobs his plan to reduce the corporate tax to 15% is not a minor talking point, but a compelling incentive for companies to retain jobs in America.

Originally posted by Diablos

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Changed my mind, no comment.

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Ya'll need to lighten up a little on Diablos. A long time ago I had my advisor make me take a freshman English course by mistake as a 5th year senior. It was fascinating watching a bunch of freshmen listen to the professor's mindless prattle about the Viet Nam war in an English Lit class. It also interesting to see their astonishment when I pointed out that I was there to study poems by Browning not listen to her illinformed opinions about war and politics. Poor Diablos is just like those kids, first time away from home and thinks being grown up is swallowing what ever is espoused by some limited in scope professor, who if capable of competing in the real world wouldn't be teaching.

Diablos only points out the weakness of the current educational system. If he is in engineering he would have to be studying instead of jacking around posting mindless prattle on the internet. He should read Hayek's "Road to Serfdom" and Rands "Atlas Shrugged" and then come back. If he still thinks Ron Paul is irrelevent then there is no hope for the boy.

Ron Paul is not a bad guy its just his ideas aren't mainsteam in anway. Sorry he won't get elected.

Originally posted by WookiepAnd the words of you should mean even more? Do you think that by coming on here touting your un-educated, snarky and arrogant pro-war stance means anything? Afterall, you have no backing by any substantial source (other than perhaps say, some partisan political pundits) whatsoever and somehow that makes you smarter than a military intelligence official? Do you even think ever? Go back to school, seriously.

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The words of current military officials, DoD and intelligent officers mean much more than 1 or 2 retired intelligence officers who have joined the fringe elements of society (Ron Paul). There are millions of educated people in the DoD who support my stance (engineers, scientists, programmers, technicians, etc.). If my stance is so uneducated, why do so many educated professionals willingly work for the DoD and active in designing the most technologically advanced weapons in the world?

You can continue to insult me, but it won't change a darn thing. The majority of conservative Americans are pro-war and pro-DoD, and would never back a guy like Ron Paul. Just look at the polling. Mitt Romney is slaughtering your Ron Paul.

Originally posted by GigatronixWar is the province of greedy old men unable to cooperate with each other because they have to assert that their peen is bigger than the next guy. An enlightened humanity would find a way to resolve differences without the need to kill, maim,injure and destroy the lives of innocent people that have no voice in the matter. If you are advocating the continuation of war practices, you are effectively advocating for the continued retarding of our species' advancement towards a peaceful, non-destructive existence. War never goes away because people like you lack the intellectual and moral depth to resolve differences without stooping to the level of a feces flinging primate.

edit on 15-1-2012 by Gigatronix because: (no reason given)

Yup, just like I'm sure the millions of physicists, engineers, chemists, programmers, etc. lack the intellectual capacity to hate war. You would think if they were "intelligent" by your standards they would work in some other area, but they rather choose to work in an industry that is pro-war. Anti-war hippies must be much smarter than they are, huh?

Originally posted by Equ1nox
wow, Diablos, every time you post you just never cease to amaze. There really is no hope for you, i can't even believe that someone can be so stupid and blind yet still talk like they believe it 100%, it's really amazing.

Just the typical nonsense from the conspiracy theorist. I'm curious to know, how do people like you deal with close friends and family in real life? Surely, they all can't be as nutty.

Originally posted by Equ1noxLuckily for you, dumb people like you will be saved by the intelligent people, but i'm sure you still wont thank them then

The same intelligent people who like to wear tin-foil hats and spend their days recording UFO videos and posting in on youtube? No thanks, I'd rather not be "saved".

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every time you post you just prove to every person reading this thread just how stupid you are, please carry on

Originally posted by KovenovIt sounds as if you're insinuating Dr. Paul's so-called craziness demonstrates the competence of your classmates, friends, engineering professors, physics professors, and TA's. I just can't think of any other reason you'd make such a claim.

I was responding to an ignorant poster who believes on "uneducated kids" he says are the only voters who dislike Ron Paul. There are millions of people, across all professions, who find him and his policies to be an extremist.

Originally posted by KovenovAt any rate, how can you be out of a job by the time you graduate if you're a full-time student? That is, laying claim to something you don't have before you don't have it is ... peculiar.

It is very simple: Ron Paul has no interest at all in keeping manufacturing jobs here. He has even said himself that one of the only thing the government has done correctly thus far are the free-trade agreements. My other only avenue would then be defense, but Ron Paul said he would love to slash funding for it. There's just nothing positive about this guy when it comes to jobs.

Originally posted by KovenovAs for Dr. Paul's strong belief in "free trade" I suggest you fit in a macroeconomics course (no doubt taught by a die-hard Keynesian) and ask the prof. if he/she subscribes to free trade. Better yet here's a sampling of what PhD level economists think about free trade (econjwatch.org...).

You can talk all you want about Keynesian economics, but tell me this: Would you truly feel comfortable if all of our weapons and defense were designed and manufactured by the Chinese and Indians? With Ron Paul's policies, our best and top weapon designers that give us the technological edge on the world will leave the country and most likely go to these other countries that are looking to become superpowers. Such a scenario would leave the country open to any attack and it isn't a leap in logic that we will be utterly destroyed in a war, and worse comes to worse if its a communist country. If Russia has all of our top scientists and engineers during the cold war, do you really think we would win the war on the principle that we have the most sound economics in place alone? If you do, then I have nothing more to add.

Like Rick Santorum told Ron Paul blunt in a debate "I'm not a libertarian. I believe in some form of government".