NO more Obama!! He's done more harm than good! Last 3 years a nightmare.

NO MORE OBAMA!


We won't get in to the issues of his birth certificate or his relationship with reverend Wright. Some would see those topics as low blows and not substantiated enough to even bring up, while others find them both disturbing and important. However, this thread is to discuss the real issues that have come from the Obama administration over the last 3 years. Everyone is welcome to the discussion, pro and against.

Personally, I don't consider social issues like abortion, religion, what are we allowed to wear etc etc issues that the Federal Government should be in charge of. So far, none of those issues have ever been handled well, and most definitely not solved by the federal government. It's not #1 on my list of issues because again, I don't feel that those things belong in this arena in the first place. Some people do though, and they are entitled to think that way. Feel free to bring up those issues, but I don't plan to spend much time on them.. There is one social issue that has been abused and hashed/re-hashed by this administration however, and I will bring it up at the end.

Let's get started. These are just a few things on the long list of reasons why I think this president is not presidential material, and has done way more harm that good. (what good?) These are things he has done/allowed under his presidency so far in the past 3 years.

#1 NDAA

Luckily, ATS is pretty informed on this one. A brief summary would say that this bill (signed by Obama) is a bill that will allow the U.S. government to detain any U.S. citizen without trial, without due process to any place of their choosing and for an indefinite amount of time. They can do this if they have *any* reason at all that leads them to believe you are a "terrorist". They can, and probably will end up abusing this. This is the single worst bill I think I've ever seen signed by a U.S. president.

Of course president Obama tries to downplay this bill stating that he won't use it to detain U.S. citizens under his administration.

The AP has more from the signing statement: “My administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens. Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a nation.

thinkprogress.org...

That doesn't bring a whole lot of comfort does it? What about the next president? Or the next? Horrible move by Obama. There is never a situation where we should strip ourselves of civil liberties in the name of "safety". If bills like this keep getting passed, then I really fear for the direction this nation is taking.

I should not really be surprised that Obama signed this bill, in fact I'm pretty sure he's the one who proposed it. Establishment politicians often like to act like they don't like their own bills to distract from those parts of it that are bad, making it seem like they changed something when they didn't. It's really ridiculous. This is further proof to me that Obama has been nothing more than a status quo establishment president who does nothing but same old same old.

Oh, I should also mention that Obama approved of the Patriot act extension last year.

President Barrack Obama signed legislation Thursday evening extending several key provisions of the Patriot Act shortly before they were set to expire at midnight.

articles.cnn.com...OLITICS



#2 Obamacare

This one is obvious to many. Some people really like the idea of Obamacare because it supposedly will get rid of all our health-care problems and put it to bed, but I have a big problem with it. The main reason I oppose this is because it strips us even more of our civil liberties. The government should have no right to force us into buying anything. This has happened already with some things, like car insurance for example. I didn't agree with it then (when it came into law), and I don't now. If I get in a car wreck without insurance, my punishment is already brought on by myself for choosing to opt out. Those penalties would include medical payments and car that is totaled. My fault, my choice. Now we *could* spend time in jail if we are caught without car insurance.

I once knew a nice lady who had one of those ankle locks and was restricted to house arrest because she didn't have car insurance. Is this really the route America wants to take? If we stay on this course, what's next? What else will the government tell us we need to spend money on or else face jail time, or at very least court fees and forced community service?

Another thing I don't like about Obama care, is that it's not clear WHO I'm forced to go see when I get sick. Does anyone like HMO's? I don't. I rarely go to the doc these days because I hate the way they conduct their service. I mean nothing to them, they could care less if I live or die. When I go to the doc, I want that Dr./patient relationship. I want to feel like someone is taking their time to help me and understand me. I don't want to feel like just another number.

These are only 2 reasons Obamacare is bad, there are tons more. So far, it looks like we aren't going to have a choice in the matter.

#3 Libya.

I won't spend too much time on this, but this one is obvious. I'm not sure any more which party is supposedly anti-war anymore, the dems or is it only the libertarians with their non-interventionist policy?

Here is the first paragraph from Predident Obama's statement on Libya:

Tonight, the momentum against the Qadhafi regime has reached a tipping point. Tripoli is slipping from the grasp of a tyrant. The Qaddafi regime is showing signs of collapsing. The people of Libya are showing that the universal pursuit of dignity and freedom is far stronger than the iron fist of a dictator.

www.whitehouse.gov...

Wow, that's the kind of wording I remember Bush using when we went to Iraq. This is same old same old rhetoric we have been hearing for years and years. These operations are costing billions and billions, and people just keep buying the nonsense over and over. Even I, as someone who didn't vote for Obama thought his foreign policy would be a little less...interventionist. I was proven wrong.

Obama was big talk when it came to ending the wars. To me, this is proof that Obama is a sell-out that bowed to the special interests of the same people behind the Federal Reserve and big banks. That is another topic that I probably won't go into, however.

Some argue that Libya wasn't a "war". We'll it was an offensive front started by a "no fly zone" that escalated into bombings that caused many deaths led by NATO. Millions of dollars (probably billions?) were spent, and it was approved and stamped by Obama.

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#4 Fraud - Acorn

"Community organizers for a living wage" and "Voter registration fraud". There really isn't much more to say about this, but this is pretty common in the establishment elite regardless if it's coming from the right or left.

Acorn uses various affiliated groups to agitate for "a living wage," for "affordable housing," for "tax justice" and union and environmental goals, as well as against school choice and welfare reform. It was a major contributor to the subprime meltdown by pushing lenders to make home loans on easy terms, conducting "strikes" against banks so they'd lower credit standards.

online.wsj.com...

Democrats are split on how to deal with Acorn, the liberal "community organizing" group that deployed thousands of get-out-the-vote workers last election. State and city Democratic officials -- who've been contending with its many scandals -- are moving against it. Washington Democrats are still sweeping Acorn abuses under a rug.

online.wsj.com...

Even democrats split on Acorn.

Pretty much speaks for itself IMO. How many more years do we need presidents involved in voter fraud and community organizers advocating "living wages" etc. Wow, I know a portion of OWS was all for that. I don't think anyone is entitled to any sort of money unless they play ball like the rest of us. Of course Obama very much supports "redistribution of weath".


#5 Bailouts of corperations, now Europe and our defecit.

We all know about Obama's big bailouts. We all know that he bailed out the car companies who simply weren't making products appealing to Americans and were going bankrupt. Sounds great since American corperations are "too big to fail" right?? Well, Obama thought so, and he left it up to you and I to pay for it.

Here are some reasons from wikipedia on why bailouts like this are bad bad bad.

* Signals lower business standards for giant companies by incentivizing risk
* Creates moral hazard through the assurance of safety nets
* Promotes centralized bureaucracy by allowing government powers to choose the terms of the bailout
* Instills a corporatist style of government in which businesses use the state's power to forcibly extract money from taxpayers.

en.wikipedia.org...

That's not all, now Obama wants to bailout Europe too. We're sitting at 15 trillion in debt and Obama wants to help Europe get out of debt. It seems we have entered some strange realm of insanity.

The European debt crisis, says the president, is of “huge importance” to the United States, and the Obama administration is “ready to do our part” in keeping the economy overseas afloat.

rt.com...

Really Obama? We're going to do our part to keep the economy overseas afloat? What about OUR economy? So far, all he's done is pay off the major failing corporations this nation apparently didn't even want. The market decided that (the people), tough luck! When are we going to admit we are broke??

Obama has been the most reckless spender EVER! Now, some say that it's not his fault because Bush left him with a full plate and the economy was spiraling because of that well before Obama came in to office. There is some truth in that. Bush did leave us in a mess. With that said, Obama came in to office with an already failing economy and decided to spend more, even more than Bush!!

When Obama came in to office our deficit was 10.626 trillion. Now we are at or above 15 trillion!

To put that into perspective, when President George W. Bush took office, our national debt was $5.768 trillion. By the time Bush left office, it had nearly doubled, to $10.626 trillion. So Bush’s record on deficit spending was not good at all: During his presidency, the national debt rose by an average of $607 billion a year. How does that compare to Obama? During Obama’s presidency to date, the national debt has risen by an average of $1.723 trillion a year — or by a jaw-dropping $1.116 trillion more, per year, than it rose even under Bush.

startthinkingright.wordpress.com... onsible-ever/

(now he wants to increase the deficit by 1.2 trillion more!)

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#6 Racism card/Fueling racism

Finally, the most controversial subject (which is why this is last). I almost didn't add this, but I think it's really been a problem in our society that we continue to have to deal with.

I will try to keep this as short as possible, but this needs to be addressed. This is among one of the most common things that always comes up with this administration and I think it's pathetic and wrong. One thing that has always got me frustrated about this president from the beginning was the issue of race constantly being brought in to the debate. The accusations of being racist because someone does not support this administration and it's policies. Personally, I think racism continues because we as a society have let it continue. We should be WELL beyond race issues by now but it just keeps rearing it's ugly head over and over. To be perfectly honest, I don't think the Obama administration has helped quell it at all, rather I think it may have made the issue worse. It was as though someone threw a log in the fire and made it grow much bigger than it was before!

For example, when Obama said his grandmother was a "typical white person"

www.huffingtonpost.com..."

Did that help rid our nation of racism? Personally, as a white man, I'm not offended. However, I think this is a childish thing for a president to say either way. I know for a fact, we would not see a white president say this about any other race and get away with it. Obama has done nothing to stop himself from beating this dead horse (race card), and that tells me his administration thinks he needs it in order to keep his presidency. That kind of political strategy is not only damaging to society, but it says a lot about his character.

Here's one quick, and recent example of what I'm talking about:

Everything we fought for during the last election is at stake in this election. The very core of what this country stands for is on the line — the basic promise that no matter what you look like, no matter where you come from, this is a place where you could make it if you try.

www.whitehousedossier.com...

To an average person not paying attention it sounds nice and innocent enough, but pay attention. Yep, he knows the card needs to be played because people are going to buy it, because they always do. It's a pathetic tactic in my opinion.

I can't totally blame Obama on the race fire, however. His loyal followers have been known to use race as a card when all other cards don't work. I won't even post sources because I could be here all day talking about this..If anyone chooses inject some insight on this, all I ask is that you do it in a respectable manner, this is still a very sensitive and important issue.


So there's what I got for now folks. There is a lot more where that came from but I think we all get the point. Obama needs to go, now! Fell free to add to this and discuss!

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# 7

He tells alot of Untruths even for a Politician . I cannot Recall any of his Presidential Addresses to the Nation since he took Office where he Actually said something that was Truthful , can you ? To me Personally , People like that should be Confronted Directly for their Dishonesty and Suffer the Consequences.....

Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
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# 7

He tells alot of Untruths even for a Politician . I cannot Recall any of his Presidential Addresses to the Nation since he took Office where he Actually said something that was Truthful , can you ? To me Personally , People like that should be Confronted Directly for their Dishonesty and Suffer the Consequences.....

Agreed. People used to call Bush Jr. a liar all the time. He was a liar, but between him and Obama I can't really tell the difference.

Well said Wook. Well said...

I wish I could contribute as much as you did to this discussion, but I will only help out on the monitary part of this discussion if you don't mind, since everyone's priority seems to lie within money and economy blah blah blah...

4 Mil for Hawaii

10 Mil for other Vacations...

So much spending by wifey that he ran out of change for campaign costs. (1 Billion dollars for reelection)

And to top it off, a link to the steady decline to his approval rating (which is now just below his disapproval rating, somehow)

Well at least he isn't corrupt.
Ah crap... I was wrong...

The latest scandal involves the theft of over half a million dollars by the program director of Chicago’s Black Nurses Association. The woman in question, Margaret Davis, is charged with defrauding a variety of state agencies for her own personal benefit. The man who funneled taxpayer money to Ms. Davis is Dr. Eric Whitaker of the Illinois Department of Public Health. On Sept. 26, journalist Jim Kouri described Whitaker as “Barack Obama’s close personal friend, adviser and campaign contributor.” The two met in 1992 at Harvard Law School, becoming so close that Whitaker joined Obama during his 2008 Midwest presidential bus tour. But their history of cronyism extends much deeper. In 2003, while serving as a state senator, Obama had his political fixer Tony Rezko, now a convicted felon, suggest to Gov. Rod Blagojevich, himself impeached and a convicted felon, to appoint Whitaker as state health director. In this position, Whitaker directed funds to Ms. Davis that supposedly were earmarked for low-income inner city blacks. Further, according to an Oct. 28, 2008 article by Lynn Sweet of The Chicago Sun Times, Whitaker “approved medical construction projects [while] Rezko and his associates controlled that board, which they used to solicit kickbacks and payoffs.” Interestingly, Obama personally introduced Rezko to banker Alexi Giannoulias, who proceeded to lend Rezko’s mobsters $22 million. Connections to the president don’t end there. After leaving his government post, Whitaker signed on with Michelle Obama at the University of Chicago Medical Center, where he pulls $670,000 per year at what is called a “no-show job.”

Ok well good post, but before I close my reply, WookieP, I don't agree with the racist part.

Wth who put that link there? Guess I am wrong again because

When Obama addressed the Congressional Black Caucus on Sept. 25, one of the decade’s greatest Freudian slips went virtually unreported. While beating his class warfare mantra like a dead horse, the president suddenly experienced an inopportune teleprompter moment. “If asking a billionaire to pay the same rate as a Jew, uh, as a janitor, makes me a warrior for the working class. . . .” Now certain disgruntled loyalists are whispering that the president sounds more like Jesse Jackson when he called New York City “Hymie Town.” Or did Obama’s comment more closely resemble Louis Farrakhan’s remark about Judaism being a “gutter religion” and the rhetoric of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the president’s former spiritual adviser? Jews aren’t the only ones seething. Many of Obama’s strongest base supporters—blacks—were incensed that Obama found it necessary to slip into a stereotypical ghetto dialect during his speech. Worse, their great oratorical hope chided blacks by telling them to “take off their bedroom slippers, stop complainin’, stop grumblin’ and stop cryin’.” Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) was particularly annoyed, saying that Obama wouldn’t approach Hispanics or gays in the same fashion. Nor would he tell Jews to quit whining about Israel.

Huh. Yeah, you are right pretty much everywhere I suppose...

Come to think of it, I feel bad for pointing out that Obama is corrupt. I mean, 99.7%+ of all politicians are corrupt, right? So I guess everyone is on an equal playing field there. All his buddies are corrupt to I am sure.

I really wish there was at least one person who could actually be a good president, without corruption... Just one...

dp

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“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”


Joseph Goebbels



....." It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, ...."


NDAA

Looks like Obama got a Copy of Joseph's Diary , I hear he likes to Read alot.......

I'm glad I never fell for the Obama deception, I had that bitter taste in my mouth right from the beginning when Oprah Winfrey tried to shove him down America's throat, sparking his eventual presidential victory.


It seems like Obama is going by right under the radar as the GOP candidates duke it out. As they throw money at each other, Obama is raising more money than the entire GOP field combined, saving those funds to obliterate the nominee.


My top 3 gripes with Obama:

1) Promised in his campaign to NOT re-authorize the Patriot Act, then went against it.
2) Threatened to veto NDAA and ended up passing it with little to no hesitance
3) Thinks government can actually control the free market and spends accordingly (boy can he spend).


The birth certificate and rev. wright issues can be easily forgiven (by me at least). I'm not going to pretend to care about things I don't really care about just to spite the guy because I prefer Ron Paul as president.


Great Thread Wookie.

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Thanks for the sources Physics, good info! I don't know if Obama is actually racist or not, I don't really care. What I do know though, is that he certainly is fueling it by using it to prop up his campaign.

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Thanks Elpresidente. Hey, you actually reminded me of something.. I haven't even watched this yet and I am totally aware of this deception..But since I plan on adding things to this thread as they come in, I figured I might as well post "The Obama Deception" for ATS's viewing pleasure.

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I agree with you in that it shouldn't be something even brought up in an intelligent debate such as this, condemning political issues rather than social ones is the way to go BUT--

If people can throw around that Ron Paul is racist as nearly the only thing they have against him, then I guess I don't mind showing the other half of the spectrum.

Star & Flagged.

What about bogus claims of being against signing statements on the campaign trail, then doing more of the same once in office, (like recently with his NDAA statement )?

www.youtube.com...

“We are reviewing a list of presidential executive orders and directives to get the job done across a front of issues,” said Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff.

www.nytimes.com...

" But as the president now seeking reelection in 2012, on at least 20 occasions Obama has embraced the same tactic he criticized George W. Bush for using, raising allegations of double-dealing in Congress and questions of constitutionality from the American Bar Association."

"At a campaign stop in Grand Junction, Colo., in May 2008, Obama responded to a question from the audience by promising not use the signing statements. Drawing a contrast with President George W. Bush, whom Obama characterized as changing “what Congress passed by attaching a letter saying ‘I don’t agree with this part’ or ‘I don’t agree with that part,’” Obama asserted, “Congress’s job is to pass legislation. The president can veto it or he can sign it.”

"For the American Bar Association, the main lawyers’ lobby, Obama’s use of the tactic is as problematic as that of the presidents before him. “The Constitution gives the president the power of veto, and if the president is not going to abide by a part of any given legislation provided by Congress, then he needs to veto that legislation and let the Congress decide whether to override that veto,” said Bill Robinson III, the president of the American Bar Association."

www.thedailybeast.com...

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That $3.6M vacation to Hawaii on American's dime....

Job well done B.O. time to reward yourself with a million dollar vacay!


I wouldn't be as mad if Goldman Sachs paid for his vacations (since he does a great job for them) but I'd still post threads on it . I'd do the same for Romney too.



BOTH Goldman Sachs sellouts.

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I really would hope this country won't come down to picking Romney v. Obama. At that point all the Paul supporters should just put down all the support signs and fliers in the street and walk home. Imagine the statement that would make if a good 30-40 percent of the people who were going to vote just left and didn't vote. Whatta horrible way to get in the presidency... Man I really kinda hope that happens now if RP doesn't get in. Show the U.S. that we really are the majority and that fake votes shouldn't count!

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Transparency ........... yes , I can see Right through him.......





www.youtube.com...

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oh man...thats just Rick Perry embarrassing...


No wonder he became president, he promised some awesome things.




Now heres the billion dollar question. If this video were played on national television, would he get re-elected?

Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
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Transparency ........... yes , I can see Right through him.......





www.youtube.com...

edit on 13-1-2012 by Zanti Misfit because: (no reason given)

LOL, seems like the "transparency" lasted about 2 minutes doesn't it? Good link, thanks!

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" Now heres the billion dollar question. If this video were played on national television, would he get re-elected? "


Ah , I am guessing No . Youtube Is Almost as Dangerous as Ron Paul , eh ? ...........