Who built the pyramids?

Originally posted by DarkSide
the answer is obvious:the Egyptians

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Wrong from A to Z regards chapo

*sheesh!!* WHY can't you guys give humans an ounce of credit WHERE IT'S DUE?? Ask any architect and he (she?) will tell you that building a Pyramid CAN be done even with primitive tools. NOBODY SAID IT WOULD BE EASY...BUT IT CAN BE DONE!

aliens showed man how to make them and man made them and thats how aliens found that race they showed.

Originally posted by chapo
Wrong from A to Z

konartis96
aliens showed man how to make them and man made them and thats how aliens found that race they showed.

Either of you two fellows care to elaborate?

Do you guys hold any credance to the theory that the pyramids were built using water, and that they are all just big water pumps? Have read a few web sites and it seems quite an interesting notion, although probably not very popular since it takes most of the intrigue away ;>

www.thepump.org... is a good place to start if you want to read more about this theory

[edit on 10/11/04 by slick]

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by chapo
Wrong from A to Z

konartis96
aliens showed man how to make them and man made them and thats how aliens found that race they showed.

Either of you two fellows care to elaborate?

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Hey Nygdan Isay before in an other topic -- the Pyramides was builded

not from Egyptians -- other people -- Atlantis meybe chapo

Originally posted by chapo
Hey Nygdan Isay before in an other topic -- the Pyramides was builded
not from Egyptians -- other people -- Atlantis meybe chapo

Oh, i forgot, i was talking to someone who's pretty much totally incomprehensible. I'd really like it if you tried to make some sense, but almost all of your posts are pretty well gibberish. This one kind of gets its meaning across tho. However, it doesn't really say, well, anything. If your posts in the 'other topic' were sufficient to demonstrate that 'other people' built the pyramids, then why'd you mention it at all in this thread?

Originally posted by chapo

Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by livenlearn
( atto say something to you ? )
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Whoa that totally proves the aliens built the pyramid!

Or something.

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Hey byrd.
Without wanting to argue the point I have to confess up front that I am one of the 'others' who believes the pyramids were not built by the Egyptians alone. I do believe they participated in the builds however.

But whilst I accept everyone is entitled to there opinion/belief etc. One point in particular always leaves me curious ... and that is the total trust that people have in the translation of heiroglyphs.

For example (and this is a genuine question);

How did the people who translated the heiroglyphs originally, 'KNOW' that (1) they had deciphered them accuratley (what did they use as their yardstick)? (2) if the translations are correct, how do they know the context they were meant to be read in (in the same way that say, a text message can be read by the recipitent, in a different context to the one that was meant by the sender)?

I hope this doesn't sound like too stupid a question, it is just the way that the 'experts' set so much store in the accuracy of these translations has always puzzled me.

Hope you can help. woodwytch

en.wikipedia.org...

The Rosetta Stone is an Ancient Egyptian artifact which was instrumental in advancing modern understanding of hieroglyphic writing. The stone is a Ptolemaic era stele with carved text. The text is made up of 3 translations of a single passage, written in two Egyptian language scripts (hieroglyphic and demotic), and in classical Greek. It was created in 196 BC, discovered by the French in 1799 at Rosetta, a harbor on the Mediterranean coast in Egypt, and contributed greatly to the decipherment of the principles of hieroglyphic writing in 1822 by the French scholar Jean-François Champollion.

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Hello Byrd,

Looks like you know a lot about this so i would really appreciate your opinion on my next questions.

From what i understand they mad the perfectly cut stone from rock, which they mad by chisel and splitting the rock by drilling holes in it adding wood to the holes then adding water to the wood causing the wood to expand and split the rock.

Then they would channel the cut stone up the river on ships.

After the ground lvl layer of the pyramid they would build a ramp that would grow in length and height according to the lvl of the pyramide which by the last lvl this ramp would have to be very very long as to have a very slight incline.

With the ramp they would roll the cut stone on logs up with the help of anything strong enough like animals and man power.

then with out hydraulics of any kind they would place the stone in its corresponding place.

That's all I know about it.

Am I missing anything?

How many lifetimes would you say this process of building one pyramide take?

From your experience in reading hieroglyphs of ancient egypt what do you think the purpose of the pyramids was?

Why do you think we don't take them apart in a way that we could put them back together for research i mean?

Thanks

ok so we have fully established that all the pyramids were built by Egyptians

there are a few people who for whatever reason have decided that the Giza pyramids pre date the Egyptians and that the Egyptians themselves would have been unable to make them because they are better than all the others

the Gizamids have been radio carbon dated by the organic materials used in the mortar which proves that the organic material (wood charcoal) was cut around 2700bce.

now wether or not you accept this teh fact remains that the exact same type of mortar was used all over egypt
see this article
www.archaeology.org...
which gives a list of other Egyptian sites that the mortar was dated at

now heres my question
if we just assume for a minute that the Giza pyramids were built by a more advanced race than the Egyptians and that they couldn't have replicated it

how do you explain the fact that it has Egyptian mortar in it

there are several possibilities that I can see for the claim that the Gizamids are alien to egypt for this to be possible

1) there is a global conspiracy to hide the truth about the entire Egyptian civilisation being older than it is attested
2) the Egyptians took the Gizamids apart and then rebuilt them from the ground up using their own mortar which they apparently were too stupid to do
3) Aliens did it
4) the advanced culture had time travel and went forwards and got the Egyptians to built their pyramids for them then moved them all back in time
5) the idea that the Egyptians didn't build the pyramid is nonsense and you just figured it out

so which is it ?
or do you have an alternative theory that explains how Egyptian mortar got inside the Gizamids after they were built ?

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Hello Kerkinana,

I beg to differ that we have established that about the pyramids.

I think it is possible that the Giza pyramids predate the Egyptians because I just don't know enough about how they built them if they did. Due to that fact it is just as possible that the Egyptians built the Giza pyramids as it is that they didn't.

If they didn't than who did and when? If they did pleas by all means help me understand how. That's what this threads about right?

Hey thanks For all the facts and bout the mortar and its very interesting how they found wood Charcoal all over the place. But this just proves the the Egyptians were inhabiting the Giza Pyramids around 2700BC.

From the info of the link you gave www.archaeology.org I can see that the archaeologists that worked and helped give the facts for that article were left with a few questions of there own.

But after reading that article i feel that the Egyptian did a lot of maintenance and patching up of the pyramids so there would be a lot of there mortar on the stone.

How deep did they go into the spaces in between the stone for the carbon samples?

If all the samples they took were off the Sufis part of the pyramids could it not still be possible that they were just involved in the pyramids upkeep and did not build them?

Here is my question.

If the Egyptian for some time traveling craziness woke up one day and found the Old London Bridge right next to there pyramid and they really liked it.

What would the Egyptian use to repair it over the years?

Thanks for all the info but it does not mean they dont predate. But mabe its just me.

ah but youre missing the point.
the Pyramids were held together with Mortar

if the Egyptians didn't know how to build them then how did they know how to make mortar ?

you have to admit at some point then that their construction knowledge was just as advanced as those who you are hypothesizing built them (the lost race) and if thats the case, why didn't the Egyptians do it if they knew how to

if London bridge was built at Giza the egyptians would have dismantled it. Everything built in Egypt serves a purpose. a bridge in the middle of a desert wouldn't serve any purpose. though I expect that if that was the case they would have written about a magical flying bridge and you would have some evidence at least that someone other than the egyptians was responsible. There is no such record from the Egyptians who claim that they themselves were the pyramid builders

Originally posted by Izarith
If the Egyptian for some time traveling craziness woke up one day and found the Old London Bridge right next to there pyramid and they really liked it.

Well I dont know how THEY would feel, but luckily we can spare Old London Bridge: Some rich American millionaire bought it in 1968 and moved it to the US. Nobody cares about their feelings if it was suddenly gone, haha.

I knew one of the "gathers" of carbon samples for the 1995 study and was able to go with them to see where in Menkaure's pyramid they actually did this. In general they went for areas that:

1. Were penetrations/damage to the pyramid structure
2. As 'modern' as possible
3. From inside the structure if possible

I do remember that one sample game from the junction of the remaining core-casing stones on the outside of main pyramid.

One other point, gypsum mortar, isn't really a mortar, it has little strength, it was used by the Egyptians more as a lubricant than a binding agent.

reply to post by kerkinana walsky


Hello Kerkinana,

I see your point.

But if we would dig just a little deeper instead of just skimming of the top with the samples we might find that their age.

If they took samples from the mortar three blocks deeper from the first lvl and did the same for each lvl til they got to the top we could actually find out how long it took who ever built them to build the pyramids.

And it is well known that the Egyptian builders leave a little stone tablet with the name of the builder on the four corners of the foundation of their project.

We could use electronics to see if there are little dents where those tablets should be at the pyramids foundation.

There is a lot we could do but why don't we do it why do historians and archaeologist lay of the pyramids when there is so much they could do with little damage?

We know so much about them except how Giza came to be.

Why?

Thanks for your reply

Originally posted by Izarith
But if we would dig just a little deeper instead of just skimming of the top with the samples we might find that their age.

the samples were taken from lots of different places and this has been done all over egypt. nothing falls outside the time period of the Egyptian civilisation

The pyramids were not built, they were poured into place, bucket by bucket. They used a superior alchemists mixture of mud from the Nile and ground Limestone and granite - modern cement.