9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon

people believe 9/11 was a conspirecy simply because the government refuses to release ALL information surrounding it. why is this so hard to understand? again...when selected evidence is held back from the public, someone is lying. therefore, until the government releases all evidence of the 9/11 debacle, they will not be trusted. because this goes against all the ideals of american values, the government is seen as corrupt as any other banana republic out in the rest of the world. credibility is alot harder to gain then it is to lose.

Originally posted by jimmyx people believe 9/11 was a conspirecy simply because the government refuses to release ALL information surrounding it.

Actaully there is a bigger reason to believe in a conspiracy. The fact that the government had lots of prior warnings of the attacks and did nothing to stop it.

I'll agree with the above...

So if a 757 did hit the pentagon... How did it fly thru restricted air space where standing shoot down orders apply 1 hour after the twin towers were hit and the country was known to be under attack? If the answer is that America's 500 billion dollar defence and intellegence system was incompetant on 9/11 why has nobody been demoted or sacked for such a massive failure? In fact why were so many defence officials actually promoted? The Pentagon falls into an area called p56, restricted airspace, any aircraft without a military transponder can be shot down by surface to air missiles or intercepted by fighters at near by airbases. Whether it was a 757 or not, the fact that plane was allowed to fly untouched into the most protected building in the world shows that there are more questions than this disinformation site cares to address. Wake up people, 9.11 was an inside job.

You americans are so credulous!!!!! Your politic beliefs avoid you to question the reality and to see the truth.... and you are happy with that....so, come on that way....

I really wish you would actually do some reading before you make such posts Anony. The Pentagon complex lies right in the approach to Reagan National Airport. In other words, hundreds of planes without military transponders fly over it on a weekly basis. Then there is the surface to air missile issue again....THERE WERENT ANY NEAR the Pentagon that day...nor did we have ANY bases set up for that. At best, you might have had the Stingers that the Secret Service is believed to have on top the White House..which would be using a spitball on a truck. In our peace dividend, no more Cold War arrogance, our nation reduced its defenses and never seriously considered what happened on 9/11, and it cost dearly. SO, if you want to start firing people how about we start with John Kerry, Ted Kennedy et al.....

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS If the answer is that America's 500 billion dollar defence and intellegence system was incompetant on 9/11 why has nobody been demoted or sacked for such a massive failure? In fact why were so many defence officials actually promoted?

I have been asking the question for years, none of the believers want to answer it.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999 In our peace dividend, no more Cold War arrogance, our nation reduced its defenses and never seriously considered what happened on 9/11, and it cost dearly.

So maybe you can telle me how many planes has NORAD failed to intercept in its history. How did it fail to intercept 3 in one day?

I think that the current meth epidemic had a substantial effect on 911. The coordination and efficiency required for such a task could stem from amphetamine abusers. I remember in Vietnam alot of those guys were abusing meth and overdosed with drastic consequences.

reply to post by ULTIMA1 So, how many times did NORAD intercept a hostile aircraft within our own borders prior to 9/11??? Oh wait...NONE.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999So, how many times did NORAD intercept a hostile aircraft within our own borders prior to 9/11??? Oh wait...NONE.

They have done it several times. In excercises and for real. Any aircraft off cource or out of communication is considered a threat and intercepted. I suggest you read up on FAA and NORAD protocols. [edit on 19-8-2008 by ULTIMA1]

loads of technical information, and not a word about the only question that really begs to be answered, and that is not WHAT hit pentagon but why and HOW. How could it possibly get past the pentagon defence system?

Brilliant! But it completely fails to answer THIS Google video: The PentaCon: Eyewitnesses Speak, Conspiracy Revealed ...

Google Video Link

Pentagon cops testimony trumps anti-conspiracy theories.

I would have to say based on all the evidence not only presented on ATS forums but also that which I have independently researched that: A. It seems HIGHLY unlikely that one of the most technologically advanced countries on the face of the planet would let something like this happen to one of the most important sites for the military side of our government due to lack of preparation. B. If it was indeed prepretrated by terrorists as is alleged then the security camera which was confiscated from a nearby hotel overlooking pretty much the whole of the scenario would lend documented evidence that would support that claim.....unless it wasnt and it provides evidence of something altogether opposite.So why hasnt it been released? And Lastly, how do TWO engines made of some of the strongest alloys known to man disentegrate so severely BEFORE impacting the building that they dont punch two entry holes where they would have been if mounted on the plane, OR left not just visible remnence on the lawn but large and utterly UNMISTAKEABLE as part of the engine casing....Compare other crashes of similar nature and you ALWAYS see MASSIVE chunks of the engine/casing thereof scattered or in some cases intact. Anon has quite a valid point to me, this particular situation seems completely outside the abilities of terrorists alone. Theres just so much that stacks against the idea that we just got caught with our pants down. This is my opinion,there are many out there,varying in all sorts of ways, some agreeable similar to mine and some utterly the polar opposite. ATS is the meeting ground and I like to think we all do well at mixing it all in such a fashion that we benefit from the "hodge-podge"

I posted the video above: "The PentaCon: Eyewitnesses Speak, Conspiracy Revealed ..." but have logged in to add more comment if required. I challenge the conspiracy deniers to refute the video above. Tell me all those people are lying and the footage of them on CCTV is all faked. Or just fess up and admit the whole thing was a brilliant "David Copperfield" moment...

I dont think those that are faithful disbelievers in the conspiracy theories would really ever admit such things but only because giving up the faith they have in their government and that it wouldnt betray so many people in such a grievous method may very well be one of those things far to impacting to accept,say its not that,sure, but at the heart of it all I think its fair to say such a concept is disturbing in the most conservative of terms especially if you consider that in the event that our government or some extension thereof is complicit in the attack on the pentagon then they are as well in the two towers and tower 7 as well as the downed plane headed for the white house,and to take that a step further who knows what else... realistically i think it was designed in such a way that I doubt many could ever know outside of some planned few what really happened and perhaps in time some insight might be revealed but I wouldnt bet much that anything useful will ever leak out enough to make an impact. Either path one takes much decieit and misdirection lies in the way of the truth.theres lots of disinformation (IMHO) and those who WANT to prove the other side wrong despite what shreds of factual evidence remain....clearly as you may have ascertained from the above I am to some degree a believer that our government has decieved us and its my opinion that it would DEFFINITELY not be for the first time or the last.....thanks for any replies in advance and I appreciate all the amazingly insightful contributions i have seen thus far in this and so many other threads about this topic...

Originally posted by Averysmallfoxx ...if you consider that in the event that our government or some extension thereof is complicit in the attack on the pentagon then they are as well in the two towers and tower 7 as well as the downed plane headed for the white house...

Well that's it in a nutshell really. There's no incumbency on the open-minded, questioning public to explain every single detail of a conspiracy we're not on the inside of, as is demanded by the anti-conspiracy theorists. If there's so much as one, single anomaly for one, single event that can be easily explained by an act of participant fakery but not explainable by any government spiel then that renders the whole thing a fraud. And there's DOZENS of these to pick from. But just picking one; two Pentagon cops swear to witnessing the plane with their own eyes in a totally different approach to the official flightpath. But there's all these poles knocked down in the official flightpath. Who knocked down those poles then? Who Cares? Conspiracy proved.

I would say I totally concur with the logic of so many holes in the official story being proof in and of itself.However for some of us the idea of the conspiracy being proved by these types of inconsistencies works but for the rest more is needed and fairly so.There are some who would be moved if just so much as a bit more light could be shed on the whole thing than the mear fact that there IS inconsistencies.I can say I see that as fair enough, I mean I see it for what I believe it to be which is a story that our government thought we were stupid enough to buy, like we wouldnt bother to research the facts. Contrast the differences and figure for ourselves that we had been had.But some are deffinitely to loyal to the concept of our government to be swayed by mere inconsistencies, I know because I remember showing alot of the most popular evidence about the controlled demolition theories,the firefighters and civilians whom said they heard explosions in the buildings before the collapse,even the wreckage analyzation of the pentagon impact and the lack of larger pieces of the engine casings or the twin holes where if the engines didnt break off they should have impacted the pentagon wall to my friends mom, the epitomy of a conservative older generation of fundamentalist just to put it out there and watch the results. I know its only one person but her reaction was so ridiculousy combative that she seemed in no way receptive to any of it despite the clear problems in the official story. Some people just dont want to believe, hence they wont until its there in their face where its impossible to ignore and such a circumstance may very well never come.

The proof that it wasn't a plane in RIGHT in the security cam footage that they released. They were and are simply basking in the ignorance of the general public on matters of a military nature. This is the impact frame, THIS image is the only real photo evidence that it was in fact an air burst JDAM. They made sure of this by predetermining the zone to be attacked then disabling all video cameras in the area. The image in my avatar is a directed air burst artillery shell, its designed to penetrate into buildings as deeply as possible often punching holes clean through buildings. The side opposite the penetration zone is relativity flattened (although in some very powerful air burst missiles the penetration side of the explosion tends to hyper extend backwards like a V) but for low yeild air bust munitions it always will have one flattened or rounded side. You will also note that the center of the explosion is darker than the rest. Do you see the obvious garring similarities between that one single frame and an air burst munition? While i believe it was a low yield air burst JDAM I think its within the realm of possibility that it may have been a Large HE air burst artillery shell. Dont poop on my paper plate and call it pancakes. [edit on 26-8-2008 by Retikx]