9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon

From some reason the post is not accepting paragraphs so forgive me. What i want to know is how does all this fluff and nonsense talk take away the blame from the perps? The question is. who pulled off 911 during of thelive fly terrorist hijacking exercises? Why was the only wedge hit was the only wedge that was retrofitted to be 'blast resistant' with reinforced windows and walls? Is it not odd that the Pentagon fire crew were already staged in the area of the crash because they were there early morning for a scheduled crash exercise? I think trying to determine what kind of plane is just ment to keep you distracted and arguing about the spilt milk or what kind of glass rather then finding out who spilt the millk. [edit on 29-7-2008 by IvanZana]

reply to post by IvanZana Ivan, as always, your post is barely coherent. If you look at the Pentagon, as I can do nearly every day, you can see one side (is that what you meant by 'wedge'?) has a huge ediface, lots of barriers, stairs....etc. The next wall section, looking clockwise, is the side struck by AAL77. He was coming from the West, he got close and chose a side to hit. Not difficult to understand. As to your claims about the Penatagon Fire brigade staging drills....again, you make claims, no supporting evidence to back them up. You throw around wild speculation, and hope it sticks to the wall as 'facts', since it's on the internet.....you hope it will get legs. MOST of the first responders were Arlington County, VA fire and rescue personnel. Seriously, dude....you keep picking at an old wound, and if any of them (the people involved, the victims' families) see this, I would assume they will come at you with both fists. Have you no shame? At long last, sir....have you no shame?

Originally posted by weedwhacker reply to post by IvanZana

 

Ivan, as always, your post is barely coherent. As to your claims about the Penatagon Fire brigade staging drills....again, you make claims, no supporting evidence to back them up. You throw around wild speculation, and hope it sticks to the wall as 'facts', since it's on the internet.....you hope it will get legs.

Pentagon Medics Thought 9/11 Attack Was Part of a Drill An examination of the accounts of these workers and other evidence raises the possibility that their confusion was because a drill was scheduled to take place there that day.

www.mathaba.net... here is even more links 911review.org...

Sep11th, 2001 Fire Truck 101, Arlington County Fire Department ("Exercise") Fort Belvoir County (Virginia) Fire Dep (Training "exercise"), together with Fort Myer Fire Department, Heliport Station at the Pentagon (Mirror) Timely Alert II": "By sheer coincidence we were scheduled to conduct a force protection exercise on Sept. 11 and because of that, some of the concrete barriers were already in place..." (Source: Lt. Col. Stephen N. Wood, Garrison commander)

Weewhacker, before you get schooled in these threads, try researching here www.google.com.... Caught in another lie again.

reply to post by IvanZana No, Ivan....I never lie. I asked, you responded with evidence to back your claim. Thanks for doing that, since it does help to bolster your point, and it makes the playing field more level. Now, others can look into the activities of that day, and determine whether or not it was a 'co-incidence' as claimed. Again, IvanZana, I do not lie about the events of that day. I have no agenda, except the truth, as perceived through my eyes. I do not spend hours and hours on less-than-reputable websites trying very, very hard to further MY agenda....because I have NO agenda. Except, to occasionally call out untruths when they are 'presented' as truths.....

reply to post by IvanZana Well, also, if you would Google Map Forts Belvoir and Myer you would understand the geography of the area. I lived just about a mile away from Ft. Myer, that morning. Google Map, look for Pershing, where it dead-ends at Rte 50, then head west to Washington Blvd, and see the park that is at Fillmore and Pershing. That's the 'Lyon Park' neighborhood, where I lived. I attended a memorial at the Washington-Lee High School, to remember the victims, and the responders. The Arlington Co Fire department was honored, along with many, many others. These are the CIVILIAN responders who deserved praise. THESE are the people to ask, if you have respectful questions.

Originally posted by weedwhacker ULTIMA, you have sometimes cleverly, sometimes not so cleverly, continued to obfuscate with the repeated double-talk, about 'lack-of-proof', when you actually provide no 'proof' at all, just innuendo and supposition.

Well thats where you are wrong. I have even posted quotes from the FAA and other professional and governemt sources to back up what i post. Its not my fault if you and others do not want to accept the facts and evidence posted.

reply to post by CatHerder Okay, I've read this person's perception of what is considered "fact" or "evidence" and cleary this information is solid enough truth for this person to dismiss any other scenarios or theories about the 911 attack on the Pentagon. Clearly this evidence is enough "evidence" for the majority of Americans to justify the War in Iraq, which is another historical account of imperial mobilization. The U.S. Gov't has to have an enemy to sway public opinion to fit the REAL agenda..... Consider other facts surrounding 911! What about the 100K dollars that was sent to the so called "lead hijacker" on September 10? Which the 911 commission deems "has no real significance" regarding the attacks, REALLY? What about the many NORAD exercises that were taking place the same day as 911, keeping the 8 F-16 fighter jets responsible for shooting down unauthorized aircrafts busy while the attacks were happening. Also, in 1997 and 2000 NORAD excercises included highjacked aircrafts flying into the world trade center. How does one explain this? Also, how is it that Dick Cheney was in the underground bunker in the white house giving the NORAD commands. Usually it would take 10 minutes for the NORAD defense team to respond to an emergency call, on 911 it took 80 minutes, just enough time to get the INSIDE job done! Philip Zeilikow, is the main chairperson for the 911 Commission, he also co-wrote the pre-emptive war strategy with Condolezza Rice. And served as advisor to Pres. Geoge W. Bush. Nothing that the Bush administration didn't approve of went into the what we think of as "Official 911 Commission". For more information check out Zeitgeistmovie.com AMAZING!!! Hope people wake up and be critical of the people in power who control us and the whole world to create more power and take away our rights slowly but surely. Ex. Patriot Act, check it out.

If a 757 would have hit the building there would have been TWO impact holes from the engines, NOT A SINGLE HOLE FROM THE FUSELAGE!!! DUH??? When a fuselage impacts a solid wall it crumples like a hollow cigar tube. The ENGINES have the density to put holes into the wall, NOT THE FUSELAGE. I was the leader of an air-search and rescue team and I have personally seen what happens to airframes upon impact and this impact was NOT from a 757. It was from a Tomahawk Cruise missle with a conventional warhead. The security tapes were confiscated because they plainly show this. There was no black box to confiscate because cruise missles lack that particular feature. Of course if a cruise missile did hit the Pentagon this could never be admitted to. It's okay...it is all in the name of National Security. Terrorists did it! Yeah! That's the ticket, terrorists! They had to do this because we wouldn't attack our own country to make it look like terrorists did it. THEY DID IT! The terrorists I am referring to do not reside in the Middle East.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS When a fuselage impacts a solid wall it crumples like a hollow cigar tube.

I have been stating this and posting prove of this for years, but the beleivers are not going to accept anything that does not agree with what they were told happened. Photo of what happens when an aluminum airframe hits an obsticle. i114.photobucket.com... Also wings will normally shear off when hitting an obsticle and their is the the tail section that normally siurvives.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS It was from a Tomahawk Cruise missle with a conventional warhead. The security tapes were confiscated because they plainly show this.

You know this for a fact? Have you seen the thread on the 11 newly confirmed witnesses to the north of Citgo flight path? We now have 13 or more witnesses to the plane not flying on the official flight, so far there have been no witnesses who have confirmed they saw anything(even a missile) actually hit the Pentagon.

Originally posted by PplVSNWO We now have 13 or more witnesses to the plane not flying on the official flight,

So if the official story is wrong about the flight path, what else are they wrong about?

I think the better question would be, 'what did they get right?' Is there any part of the official story that is true?

Originally posted by PplVSNWO I think the better question would be, 'what did they get right?' Is there any part of the official story that is true?

Seems like the more information that comes out the more it questions the official story.

reply to post by CatHerder I was stationed at Ft. Myer, VA with the 3rd U.S. Infantry (TOG) during the 9/11 attacks. I was with my casket platoon from Delta company in Arlington National Cemetery when the attacks took place, and we spent several weeks assisting with rescue and recovery following the event. I personally knew members of my platoon who were in ANC near the highway with a clear view of the Pentagon who all would swear that what hit the Pentagon was in fact a large airliner, and in the aftermath many small plane parts were found among the wreckage (I myself found a semi-oval shaped blackened object that appeared to be a window from the airplane). I only wish to testify my knowledge of the experience because recently I have begun to realize how many people are willing to believe a completely unsubstantiated conspiracy theory rather than to look at the facts objectively and see this tragedy for what it really is. Many innocent people lost their lives that day, and for us to add to their tragic fate a host of angry political rhetoric and conspiracy theories with no real basis, with no honest regard for the truth, is a flagrant and grotesque display of ignorance and/or deceit. Too many people that I have spoken with on this are willing to shrug off evidence that contradicts what they have already decided to believe. This is what I see as our enemy within, and we can only be undone from within'. We must tread carefully. "It is a true saying that one falsehood leads easily to another" -Marcus Tullius Cicero

I'm just curious if anyone has seen this other thread. It's essentially the same exact topic for the threads, but I'm curious about the content. The North Side Flyover - Officially Documented, Independently Confirmed [edit on 6-8-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS I have begun to realize how many people are willing to believe a completely unsubstantiated conspiracy theory rather than to look at the facts objectively and see this tragedy for what it really is.

What facts? There are more facts and evidence that questionthe official story then support it. Why do the investigating agencies still refuse to release information that should be released, like the serial numbers so we can verify the parts found match the 9/11 planes? Why did the FBI only take 5 days to work the crime scene at the Pentagon after stating it would take 30 days?

Originally posted by Pilgrum reply to post by PplVSNWO

 

It wouldn't be a severe dive to drop 300' over a distance of 2000'+. A little trigonometry reveals a nose down pitch as shown in the final recording is all that would be required - about -6 degrees.

Just an update on this, the flight data recorder does not alow for only 6 degree drop, please see this thread for details on how the DoD video and FDR data are not possible: pilotsfor911truth.org... If you think they are wrong please, feel free to refute. Edit: I think that MirageofDeceit has also done the calculations on ATS that shows the impossibility of AA77 leveling out after the last FDR data point. So you are left with a few options: 1. The FDR is fradulent 2. The Pentagon video is fradulent 3. The math/physics calculations are wrong Which is it? [edit on 8-8-2008 by PplVSNWO]

reply to post by PplVSNWO Just my opinion: The DFDR data looks genuine. The Pentagon video (the gatecam) looks genuine. The maths/physics are only as good as the inputs you use. I encourage you to look deeper into how that DFDR actually worked which will reveal where the plane was approximately at the time of the last valid 4 second data frame that was written. Also consider the difference between true north and magnetic north in DC and even the location of the sun in the clear morning sky at 0930 on 9/11 is a significant factor in this case. [edit on 9/8/2008 by Pilgrum]

Somehow I don't think you really looked at the link. It had nothing to do with direction or visibility. It had to do with the descent rate at 4000fpm where the FDR data stops above the highway. Rob calculated the descent rate of the Pentalawn to be 300 fpm. How many g's would the plane have had to pulled to pull out of a 4000fpm dive to level out at the 300fpm to be level with the lawn in the video?

Originally posted by Pilgrum The Pentagon video (the gatecam) looks genuine.

The Pentagon video might be genuine, but what does it show. Do you see a 757 in the video?