9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon

reply to post by ULTIMA1 I specifically said "Wrong." under that portion. Perhaps I should bold it? Why would you think I'm agreeing to that. You're not deliberately misquoting my post and lying about me are you? I'll call a mod and my dad if you are. It makes me question your ability to do more than gloss over everything that you don't agree with in search of the one sentence you might twist for your gain. You would agree that Paris is the capital of France, however, correct? Now that we're back in agreement, how about that song?

Originally posted by _Del_ You're not deliberately misquoting my post and lying about me are you?

No, you have been the only one proven to have done that, so far.

Originally posted by weedwhacker AND....you continually ask for the impossible.....you think every part in a B757 has a S/N stamped on it?!?

I only ask for people to prove what they claim. If they claim Flight 77 hit the Pentagon they should be adult enough to be able to post actual evidence when asked. But the question is why is the FAA refusing to release any S/Ns ? As for the FDR, the FDR form Flight 77 has raised more questions then answers. [edit on 15-5-2008 by ULTIMA1]

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Well let me try to explain this as simple as possible. The FBI might have been there longer, BUT THEY DID NOT TAKE OVER THE CRIME SCENE UNTILL SEP. 21 AND THEN TURNED IT BACK OVER ON SEP. 26. What is so difficult to understand what is stated in the post?

What is your point then? Does it really matter if they were in charge of the crime scene for only five days? It's not like they walked in there and investigated for five days and then quit. Your own source confirms that they were at the Pentagon after they relinquished control. The FBI arrived within 30 minutes of the impact.

The FBI had many responsibilities in the wake of the September 11 terrorist attack on the Pentagon. Because of the nature of the event, the FBI had to establish control of the crime scene and begin collecting him evidence. However, although the FBI was responsible for the crime scene, it was not responsible for the fire and rescue incident that took precedent on that day. That role belonged to the ACFD. Assistant Chief Schwartz was the designated Incident Commander and would remain so until fire and rescue operations were completed and the site turned over to the FBI on September 21. Throughout the fire and rescue phase, the FBI supported the ACFD and worked in conjunction with search and rescue units while collecting evidence and recovering the remains of victims.

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Originally posted by Boone 870 Does it really matter if they were in charge of the crime scene for only five days?

Yes, i would hope that being one of the biggest crime scenes in thier history that they would have taken more then 5 days to work it. I mean look at other avaition crims scenes and how long they took to work it.

Did you even read his post? www.arlingtonva.us...

The FBI had many responsibilities in the wake of the September 11 terrorist attack on the Pentagon. Because of the nature of the event, the FBI had to establish control of the crime scene and begin collecting him evidence. However, although the FBI was responsible for the crime scene, it was not responsible for the fire and rescue incident that took precedent on that day. That role belonged to the ACFD. Assistant Chief Schwartz was the designated Incident Commander and would remain so until fire and rescue operations were completed and the site turned over to the FBI on September 21. Throughout the fire and rescue phase, the FBI supported the ACFD and worked in conjunction with search and rescue units while collecting evidence and recovering the remains of victims.

Innumerable witnesses saw the Boeing 757 travelling very low and at high speed overhead. Observers in aircrafts flying above the scene saw the aircraft speeding towards the Pentagon, as well. Fewer, but still many very reliable witnesses, actually saw, with their very own eyes, the same craft hit the Pentagon, resulting in a large hole in the side of the Pentagon, fire and debris inside the building and a large field of aircraft debris on the outside of the building. With unvarnished facts such as these, how can any logical person still believe that it was not a Boeing 757 that struck the Pentagon but was, instead, a planned event perpetuated by the government using missiles and/or previously placed explosives. A wise man once said: "Against logic, there is no armor like ignorance."

reply to post by ULTIMA1 Then what is the problem? Your own source states of the FBI was at the Pentagon after the 26th and my source says that they started the crime scene investigation within 30 minutes of the attack.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by weedwhacker AND....you continually ask for the impossible.....you think every part in a B757 has a S/N stamped on it?!?

I only ask for people to prove what they claim. If they claim Flight 77 hit the Pentagon they should be adult enough to be able to post actual evidence when asked. But the question is why is the FAA refusing to release any S/Ns ? As for the FDR, the FDR form Flight 77 has raised more questions then answers. [edit on 15-5-2008 by ULTIMA1]

ULTIMA.....Whaaa??? (shaking head) The N number of the airplane, the B757 is well known....the S/N of the airplane is public record....did you bother to look? Or are you just parroting other sites? I will be back in a moment with an reference to an actual NTSB report that examined the UAL93 and AAL77 FDRs, specifically the Auto-Flight and FMS engagement modes.....it includes the aircraft N numbers. BTW, ULTIMA....the Serial Number of the airplane is recorded on the Airworthiness Certificate....a piece of paper mounted along with the Registration, and the FCC license. The FCC license is a 'group' license to cover the entire fleet....the AW Cert and the Reg Cert are, of course, unique to each airframe. Hey!! Take a moment next time you fly, and ask to see the Certificates!! They are mounted just inside the cockpit door!!! Sheesh!! Either know what you are talking about, or stop talking....this grows tiresome.....

OK, ULTIMA....I found it. Sorry I don't know how to link these things, i have a printed copy in my hands. Header is NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD Office of research and Engineering Washington, D.C. 20595 February 13, 2002 "Study of Autopilot, Navigation equipment, and fuel Consumption Activity Based on United Airlines Flight 93 and American Airlines Flight 77 Digital Flight Data Recorder Information" It goes on to note the 'SUBJECT AIRCRAFT'...namely, AAL77, registration N644AA....impact at 09:38 EDT, in Arlington, VA And....UAL93, registration N591UA...impact at 10:03 EDT, in Shanksville, PA The two NTSB docket numbers are: DCA01MA064 and DCA01MA065 Ever seen these documents??? Care to go find them, read them, then come back and 'prove' how they are wrong???? BTW, if you don't know how to interpret them, just ask.....I will be glad to help you understand the finer points of the AutoFlight System in the B757. WW [editing to add....there seems to be a glitch in the ATS system tonight....I formatted my post differently than it appeared....] [edit on 5/15/0808 by weedwhacker]

reply to post by weedwhacker On a personal note, regarding AAL77....I knew the First Officer, David Charlebois. He was about to upgrade to Captain on the MD-80, in just a month's time. AAL77 impacted the Pentagon at 0938....it was still EDT....we didn't know it yet, the news were slow to report....they (falsely) reported an explosion in the Mall....I was on the second floor of my house, at a window that faced East toward the Mall, at about 1000....when the house shook. My house was about three statute miles from the Pentagon....maybe 3.5 miles....the shake I felt was the upper levels collapsing...not the initial impact. I had already told the two guys building my new deck to go home, after the WTC attacks.... So....I get tired of people in their Ivory Towers trying to play Monday Morning Quarterback on this 'incident'....I've offered this before, to all who doubt. Come to the areas involved, speak to those involved. But, no one bothers, they are content to listen to BS from others who have a paranoid bent....so very sad....

Oh my this is one long thread!

Originally posted by _Del_ Did you even read his post?

Originally posted by Boone 870 Your own source states of the FBI was at the Pentagon after the 26th and my source says that they started the crime scene investigation within 30 minutes of the attack.

Well let me try to explain this as simple as possible. The FBI might have been there longer, BUT THEY DID NOT TAKE OVER THE CRIME SCENE UNTILL SEP. 21 AND THEN TURNED IT BACK OVER ON SEP. 26. What is so difficult to understand what is stated in the post? [edit on 16-5-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by weedwhacker The N number of the airplane, the B757 is well known....the S/N of the airplane is public record....did you bother to look? Or are you just parroting other sites?

I guess you have not seen the refusal from the FAA for a FOIA request. "FAA refuses FOIA request for pre-9/11 ID confirming aircraft serial number data Of 9/11 planes. "

Originally posted by weedwhacker Sorry I don't know how to link these things, i have a printed copy in my hands.

And i have the FDR data from Flight 77 that i received from the NTSB as a result from a FOIA request. Ther are some questions it raises reguarding the flight path and altimeter settings. [edit on 16-5-2008 by ULTIMA1] [edit on 16-5-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by weedwhacker Come to the areas involved, speak to those involved. But, no one bothers, they are content to listen to BS from others who have a paranoid bent....so very sad....

Do you really think you are going to get any of the beleivers to do that. They only want to live in a save fantasy world and do not want to face that reallty that somethign else might have happened beside what they saw on TV abd what the media told them. The people like me who are looking for truth at one time were trying to get people to go to PA to talk to the witnesses, do you think the believers wanted to go? (good luck with that)

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Well let me try to explain this as simple as possible. The FBI might have been there longer, BUT THEY DID NOT TAKE OVER THE CRIME SCENE UNTILL SEP. 21 AND THEN TURNED IT BACK OVER ON SEP. 26. What is so difficult to understand what is stated in the post?

Thanks for the simple explanation. The FBI took control of the crime scene on September 21 and then turned it back over on September 26. What is your point?

reply to post by ULTIMA1 ULTIMA, when you get home from your job at the NSA feel free to ask me about the NTSB report that I currently have. Tell me, do you think it's faked in any way? Because if you do, then there's no point in continuing to discuss it. After reading it, the timeline and events sync up perfectly with my experience flying the B757. So, either they took another B757 on a different day, and flew the exact profile, then planted THAT DFDR at the pentagon, or it's the real thing from the real airplane that struck the Pentagon. Which scenario is most likely?

EDIT: the format is entirely jacked-up and I can't seem to fix it. Apologies. [edit on 16-5-2008 by SlightlyAbovePar] [edit on 16-5-2008 by SlightlyAbovePar]

Originally posted by Boone 870 Thanks for the simple explanation. The FBI took control of the crime scene on September 21 and then turned it back over on September 26. What is your point?

The POINT is, i would like to know why the FBI only worked one of the biggest crime scenes in history for only 5 days.

Originally posted by weedwhacker ULTIMA, when you get home from your job at the NSA feel free to ask me about the NTSB report that I currently have.

Please tell me and show me what this report supposidly states. Does it have part numbers of any of the parts found, and match them to the planes serial numbers ?