9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon

Okay i think we are geting cary away. it's okay if some think like that and some think diffrent. We dont have to get on personal level here and start caling each other idiots. This is a open opinion forum and any one can say anithing we dont have to out rule some one, i dont agree with him but i dont want to start any personal vendeta.

------------------------------ ONI again : www.viewzone.com... : Viewzone: 9-11 The FACTS : A list of 51 not widely known facts about the period before, during and after 9/11. 19. August 11 or 12, 2001 - US Navy Lt. Delmart "Mike" Vreeland, jailed in Toronto on U.S. fraud charges and claiming to be an officer in U.S. Naval intelligence, writes details of the pending WTC attacks and seals them in an envelope which he gives to Canadian authorities. [Source: The Toronto Star, Oct. 23, 2001; Toronto Superior Court Records] 36. September 14, 2001 - Canadian jailers open the sealed envelope from Mike Vreeland in Toronto and see that is describes attacks against the WTC and Pentagon. The U.S. Navy subsequently states that Vreeland was discharged as a seaman in 1986 for unsatisfactory performance and has never worked in intelligence. [Source: The Toronto Star, Oct. 23, 2001; Toronto Superior Court records] 48. January 10, 2002 - In a call from a speaker phone in open court, attorneys for "Mike" Vreeland call the Pentagon's switchboard operator who confirms that Vreeland is indeed a Naval Lieutenant on active duty. She provides an office number and a direct dial phone extension to his office in the Pentagon. [Source: Attorney Rocco Galati; court records Toronto Superior Court.] Who do you believe? Why knows a supposed Naval spook of the imminent attacks, and still the Navy Intel room takes the hit. Did the planners know he was the only one of them with that info, and therefor they pinned him in Canadian jail, or was the sole target the data storage at ONI of the 9/11 intel events, and were those operators calculated collateral damage? The Navy Command and Operations Center is responsible for tracking, analyzing and interpreting world events from a national security and maritime perspective. It is this small, elite team of Naval Intelligence officers, enlisted, and civilians, charged with providing insights and analysis of these events directly to the senior flag officers and civilians in the Department of the Navy. It is also the president's eyes and ears for the United States first response to ANY threat against the USA. The plane directly hit the ONI Emergency Response Command ( Navy Command and Operations Center NCOC ). Why did the last plane hit the Pentagon instead of the first? Then the US president would have been blindfolded to any further blackops events unrolling, because his Presidential Management Interns in a civilian post for the Chief of Naval Operations were killed by the impact. They were in the CNO (Chief of Naval Operations) Intelligence Plot, located within the Navy Command and Operations Center. www.thetruthseeker.co.uk... : How Cheney set up his own Command Center the day before 9/11 and was controlling hijacking drills that morning. www.prisonplanet.com... : Wargames Were Cover For the Operational Execution of 9/11. For sure the Navy must have been their only weak spot, expected not to comply with their scenario afterwards, and perhaps also the Secret Service, since heaps of their files were destroyed by the demolition of WTC-7, where btw the CIA also had filestorage. How convenient. www.nwc.navy.mil... : Lt.Col. Kip Taylor graduated from the College of Naval Command and Staff in 1998. The son of a career Army officer, he was a member of the Army Adjutant General Corps with extensive experience in administrative and personnel matters. On 11 September 2001 he was serving as Military Assistant to the Deputy Chief of Staff for Personnel, Lt. Gen. Timothy Maude, who also died in the attack. Kip was posthumously promoted to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. ( Note LT: the Staff for Personnel also handpicks the military spooks. All the underlined red italic text indicates Naval intelligence or ties to them.) ( More Navy victims in 23 alphabetical links, Nr.6 : www.usmchq.com... ) There were a lot of Accounting officers killed also; and their equipment destroyed ofcourse, to keep track of military spending. And officers who were involved in personnel matters, they had a lot of knowledge about who was a spook, and where. Remember the 7.3 TRILLION dollars the Pentagon lost track of, announced by Rumsfelt the DAY BEFORE.... What if the 9/11 Pentagon attack was in reality a cleverly camouflaged attack on the Navy Command Center by who ever was behind 9/11 ? As threat elimination it probably worked as expected, however, what immens threat was the Naval Command Center for the real 9/11 planners, be it Muslim fundamentalists, Israeli intel, US government branches, US military-industrial complex black ops, China, Russia or whoever. I still remember the very strange deployment of a total of SIX aircraftcarrier battle groups on one date to the Pacific-Philippines-China region recently. This was the first combined deployment of such an immens force to one area, even in all historical US naval wars, this was unprecedented. For a neutral bystander, it seems highly suspicious that an act of terrorism, clearly planned for years by whoever, makes such a 'mistake' of missing all top-brass military and Rumsfeld cum suis that day. And opted for an incredibly difficult ground level approach at a few feet high, for the wing with the Naval Command Center in it. The exact wing front which was just reinforced. Who took the decision to start the reinforcing exactly at that wing front, instead of the much more logical move of reinforcing first the main entrance wing front, with all the "real important" people behind that facade ? Or was the Navy Command and Operations Center really the most important part of the Pentagon, and the attack planners knew this very well. Could it be that we not only must "follow the money" but also "follow the aftermath threats to the 9/11 planners" to find out why exactly 9/11 happened the way it unfolded ? ------------------------------ How to "steal" a Night Prowler : Cmdr. Dan Frederic Shanower had completed two of the required three core courses through the college's evening study program. A Naval Intelligence Officer, he served in a number of assignments both afloat and overseas, including deployments aboard USS CORONADO and USS MIDWAY. He was serving as Officer-in-Charge of the Chief of Naval Operations Intelligence Plot at the time of the attack. In May 1997, his article "Freedom Isn't Free" was published by the U.S. Naval Institute. In it he recalled the death of 4 shipmates a decade earlier aboard aircraft carrier USS MIDWAY. An excerpt from this article has been incorporated into this memorial : www.usni.org... , the full article. Excerpt : ( NoteLT: The EA-6B Prowler is the US Navy's tactical jamming aircraft and provides an umbrella of protection over strike aircraft and ships by jamming enemy radar, electronic data links and communications, see this link for details and more photos : www.military.cz... ) ""Late on the evening of 22 November 1987, the last cycle recovered on board the Midway but without our EA-6B Prowler. I remember walking into the ready room that night. Shock written on every face, the remaining air crewmen busied themselves computing the aircraft's possible maximum time aloft, in the hope that the Prowler had just lost use of its radios and soon would be "in the groove." It had been an emissions-control launch and recovery, so no radar operator could have seen a blip disappear from his screen. No emergency call had been heard, and no other aircraft reported seeing an explosion. We assumed the worst and broke out the gouge for dealing with an aircraft accident. The Navy lost four fine officers that evening. Despite an extensive search, no wreckage was ever located."" Lieutenant Commander Shanower was a Naval Intelligence Officer assigned to the Joint Intelligence Center Pacific Detachment at Yokota AB, Japan in May 1997. ....................Grumman EA-6B Prowler..................... That plane could have been the white jet this woman near the flight 93 crash site saw circling low, then leave. ------------------------------ more SAIC info : Remember, SAIC Inc. is ret. admiral Bobby Ray Inman personal toy.. Look this guy and that firm up, and start wondering. This (forced in retirement, yeah, sure) admiral can only be described as a very dangerous and influential man. SAIC's Epicenter Expedition. www.saic.com...

"To reduce future human suffering and losses due to earthquakes and tsunamis, SAIC scientists throughout the company are eager to learn more about these dynamic events and improve warning and response systems for natural cataclysms. The National Center for EROS plays an important role in reaching those goals. In addition to SAIC research and systems development support for the center, SAIC manages the center's data archive, which holds millions of satellite images and aerial photographs in the world's largest collection of remotely sensed non-military data. The SAIC team also manages and operates NASA's Land Processes Distributed Active Archive Center, which archives and distributes data from earth science satellites and provides the systems and staff to fill thousands of orders for the center's data holdings."

They control an AWFULL lot of satellite photographs. And nobody had the photos of the 9/11 Pentagon hit? They gonna tell us that there is no stationairy satellite over the Washington metropolitan area? While they have them over Moscow, Beijing etc. www.american-reporter.com...

Vol. 11, No. 2,668 - The American Reporter - June 29, 2005 EX-D.I.A. OFFICER QUESTIONS 9/11 REPORT, FAULTS HUMAN INTELLIGENCE LACK Ted Pahle : Human intelligence is more complicated: "Satellites are fabulous. Human operations have the potential for embarrassment. [Former CIA director] Bobby Ray Inman was an idiot when it comes to humint, and there are a lot of others who are the same way."

This interview holds a lot of viable sounding opinions about 9/11 and it's aftermath, it's worth spending the time and subscription money reading it. This former intel officer doesn't seem to have a high opinion of admiral Bobby Ray Inman. However, the admiral is still moving things and plotting in very high and influential places, these days. Mark Felt (FBI agent, confessed as the famous Deep Throat in the Watergate case) Hinted at Exotic Antigravity Project?

Historians have documented Air America’s heroin shipments for defense and CIA purposes, plus countless CIA and defense intelligence interventions to stop prosecutions of narcotics traffickers. US intelligence agencies have thwarted local, state, and federal prosecution of narcotic traffickers for decades by saying that narcotics cases were part of their intelligence operations. National security has been invoked to keep FBI and other officials quiet. For example, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover opposed the formation of the CIA, fearing that it would become a hotbed of corruption where intelligence officers would live richly by taking bribes. During World War II, US intelligence used Meyer Lansky’s gangsters in “Operation Underworld” and after the war, Lansky’s mob reigned supreme in US narcotics trafficking. During the Vietnam War, heroin was stuffed into the cadavers of dead GI’s by CIA defense operatives, then shipped to America for sale. In 1979 a nightmarish case of narcotics, murders and theft was investigated by the FBI: Mexican Miguel Nazar Haro, head of Mexico’s spy agency, was indicted in San Diego, but the CIA intervened to stop the case. In the Iran Contra case, Oliver North noted that George Bush Sr. was present at a meeting in which cocaine shipments by the Contras were apparently condoned. Later, Danilo Blandon, the prime seller of cocaine to Los Angeles when the Crips and the Bloods were getting into the trade, was targeted for arrest. An FBI teletype of a conversation between Blandon and his lawyer about Blandon’s guns-for-drugs enterprise reads, “CIA winked at this sort of thing.” In other words, Mark Felt’s most honest FBI agents were forced to watch their anti-narcotics work be sabotaged by corrupt intelligence officers. A recent example of the sort is the case of Sibel Edmonds, the FBI translator who said that during the months before 9-11, she read FBI documents about possible terrorist plans to fly a civilian jet into the twin towers but when she tried to tell news media she was silenced by Bush’s Attorney General John Ashcroft. Sibel Edmonds says that in her FBI work, she read documents about massive narcotics trafficking abetted by US government agencies. She told reporter Amy Goodman she saw documents about “criminal investigation, and money laundering investigation, drug related investigations that actually have major information regarding 9-11 incidents.” Daniel Hopsicker’s recent book Welcome to Terrorland shows that Bush Jr.’s subordinates worked to prevent public awareness of narcotics trafficking surrounding the 911 hijackers’ flight training in the small coastal city of Venice, Florida. Apparently, numerous heroin flights preceded the arrest of two men caught with 43 pounds of heroin in the private jet of Wally Hilliard, a businessman with Bush family and CIA ties. The heroin was seized by DEA agents at Hilliard’s small Venice, FL airport/flight school where 9-11 ringleaders Mohammed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi were training, at the time. How does this relate to Deep Throat? For decades, FBI men like Mark Felt were pushed aside and told to shut up so that “intelligence”-related narcotics shipments could proceed into the United States unhampered, for national security reasons. But which “incredible” and “fantastic” covert project did such narcotics trafficking point to? The obvious answer, the only massive project that eclipsed Watergate on a major scale, is narcotics trafficking that secretly funds “reverse-engineered” black budget technologies, some of which are truly bizarre. Which covert project back in 1971-2 was more important than Watergate? Government whistle-blower and former head of Air Force Project Pounce, Col. Steve Wilson, told researcher Richard Boylan that "the first successful U.S. antigravity flight took place July 18, 1971 at S-4 (on Nellis Air Force base in Nevada), wherein light bending capabilities were also demonstrated to obtain total invisibilities. Present at this flight were notables such as Admiral (Bobbie Ray) Inman (former National Security Agency director), who is now head of SAIC (Science Applications International, Incorporated) in San Diego, CA, which makes the antigravity drives." Physician Steven Greer is the head of an organization called CSETI that has videotaped testimony by 570 current and former defense, intelligence, and aviation officials who report direct experiences with “aliens” and UFO’s while on duty. Says Greer, “I have interviewed other very well placed people who have connected these black projects to the drug trade. One, a senior SAIC (Science Applications International Corporation) executive directly told me of this and how there was an army of 8000 men who did nothing but import drugs under the cover of classified, need-to-know operations. He stated that of the 8000 men involved (as of 1997 when we spoke of this) that 2000 of them had been killed for sometimes minor infractions of security. He assured me that this was a major covert funding source and that it was destroying our country, but nobody is willing to take on such a lethal and powerful group to stop it.” (p. 268-9, Disclosure, by Steven Greer). Admiral Bobby Ray Inman appears to be Greer’s informant on the subject. Inman should know; he was Director of Naval Intelligence in 1974, Vice Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency in 1976, and Deputy director of the CIA from 1980-81 under Reagan before working for SAIC. Buttressing Inman’s story, is that of Former Army Col. Phillip Corso, who worked in Eisenhower’s White House and in the Pentagon. Corso wrote a memoir stating that a major high-level campaign to copy downed “alien technology” began as early as 1961, if not sooner. As the project developed, private industry began to gain control over the project. President Eisenhower told Brigadier General Stephen Lovekin and others that alien-related affairs and technology were being taken from his control. As Eisenhower said, “It is not going to be in the best hands.” (Lovekin’s testimony, p. 235, Disclosure, by Steven Greer) Eisenhower’s fears were echoed in his farewell statement that “we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.” Those who are new to the subject of alien technology may not know that for decades numerous top US officials have made public admissions on the subject. The list includes former presidents, astronauts, high-ranking Pentagon brass, and more. See CSETI’s publications on the subject. If Gen. Lovekin and others are correct, a power struggle within the US government centered on one simple question: who would control the most important technology that had ever been “discovered” by humankind? (scavenged might be a better word) Who would own and control what we now know as “electrogravity” technology (antigravity)? Other CSETI witnesses report that the Hughes Corporation did extensive research on downed alien antigravity technology. Witnesses to Hughes work on antigravity are: aerospace contractor James McCandlish, Air Force Lt. Col. John Williams, classified graphics worker Don Johnson, and a top secret scientist and engineer named “Dr. B.” (p. 265, Disclosure) In other words, Howard Hughes, who figured importantly in Watergate, was heavily involved in an “incredible” covert project.

---------------------------------------- Destruction of evidence on 9/11 : www.psychohistory.com... DID BUSH KNOW ABOUT 9/11 IN ADVANCE? Get the Special Issue of The Journal of Psychohistory on what Bush knew about 9/11 in advance, with explosive evidence from seven new books showing how the FAA was told to ignore all the appeals from air controllers to intercept the hijacked planes, how audio tapes and photos were destroyed that pointed to collusion by the Bush team, how Rumsfeld has said 9/11 was "a blessing in disguise", and much more. Storm King Press - Memo to 9/11 Commission : www.stormkingpress.com... Isn't that interesting? Jan.6, 2003 this article was published, and mentioned exactly what to expect to find in secret files. We now know that we at last DID find these files, about foreknowledge by the Bushists. Viewzone: 9-11 The FACTS : www.viewzone.com... 51 not widely known facts about the period before and after 9/11. --------------------------------------- Civilized debating : www.crisispapers.org... Excerpts of a long email debate as a demonstration of how, by both debaters treating the opponent with respect while not backing down from passionate advocacy, a civil conversation can transpire even in our culture's super-heated partisan atmosphere . I hereby give one of my votes for WAY ABOVE TOP SECRET to : Aris, for the way he debated his cause. This doesn't imply that I don't value the input of his opponents. As said before, without opponents, there is no debate, just a bunch of happy and firm believers in one side of a story.

You have voted Aris for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

[edit on 17/11/05 by LaBTop]

Now where did we see that same C-130 again? Yes, exactly above and near the Pentagon when it was hit. Jamming radar? And it was seen on more "terrorist" connected places that day. www.defensetech.org...

Every once in a while around Baghdad, American bomb squads stop what they're doing, and retire to their bunks. The reason why: "Compass Call," a modified C-130 turboprop plane which serves as the "only US wide-area offensive information warfare platform," according to GlobalSecurity.org. The Compass Call and the Navy's EA-6B Prowler can jam radio and cell phone traffic for miles around, disrupting insurgent communications. But the aircraft also can disrupt the jammers that bomb squads use to stop improvised explosives, Aviation Week notes. There's even a fear that all those crossed signals could accidentally detonate guerilla bombs. ...

They forget to tell that that C-130 can also jam radar tracking and a lot more. Remember, cell phone traffic, radio traffic round the WTC was also bad or impossible on 9/11. For the weaponry guys among us, I advise to read the whole long list of articles on that page.

I believe that this Navy Lieutenant did have prior knowledge of 9-11, and the guys who were going to perpertrate 9-11 wanted him silenced for a while. Hence the reason why he was charged with fraud and locked up in a Canadian jailhouse. As to why the Canadians did not release the info they recieved from Mr. Vreeland I don't know. It all comes down to who stands to gain from the lies, corruption, and the in-humanities of the administration. Cheney was the man who had control of everything that has to do with the black ops aka the 9-11 attacks, and he let the other perps in the group go ahead with the attacks. As to why the first plane did not hit the Pentagon, there are plenty of reasons why. First reason is that the CIA did occupy two of the World Trade Center Complex buildings, I believe both Towers 1 and 2. Second reason is that some people in the CIA that worked at the location knew about the plan and the real perps of 9-11 knew that if these people were given the chance, they would squeal to somebody. Third reason is that the Securities and Exchange Commision stored their records of both Cheney's and both Bushes' financial records. There is another reason as to why the Twin Towers were the first ones to be hit, and that is back in 1997 George W. Bush was involved in an insider trading scheme that involved the Texas Rangers baseball team which W. owned at the time. Here's the catch, Bush did not go to jail for it, the guy he sold the team to paid the price. My feeling about this is even if the Pentagon was hit first, Bush would not have been blindfolded to a covert black ops operation because Bush was also in on the action. As for the satellite photos of the Pentagon hit, the photos are still around but they are located were people would not be able to look. That is the expansive case file library at FBI Headquarters in Washington. What probably happened is that the SAIC did in fact capture pictures of the strike but they either sent them to the CIA or the FBI confiscated the photos for an "investigation" as to who actually did this and what actually happened at the Pentagon. As to why the FBI or the CIA confiscated the pictures of something that they were told was going to happen and who was supposedly going to perpetrate the attacks I cannot say because it is up for grabs as to why. It is just one of the pieces of the 9-11 puzzles that makes the attacks look more like an inside job, which it was. Bush knew more about 9-11 than what the people in D.C. that were behind the attacks want us to know. We know that both the FAA and NORAD were both told to stand down on the day of 9-11. As to who gave the order, most sources point to the fact that Bush gave the order directly to the FAA and NORAD. This in fact left every single air corridor open to an attack led by CIA or Military Black Ops. Something like this HAS NOT HAPPENED again since 9-11; which leads me to believe that they, whomever they may be, are getting an even more spectacular operation together that will take place in the near future. It would not surprise me if something like this, only on a larger scale, were to take place to invoke action against Iran or North Korea. As for whatever it was that did strike the side of the Pentagon on 9-11, I have come down to the very possible conclusion. First conclusion is that a dummy plane hit the side of the Pentagon. This would be the case due to the fact that there was not actual FAA tail number that would have matched the flight. Second conclusion is that it was a drone like a Predator drone or a Global Hawk that slammed into the Pentagon. This is due to some of the witness statements that what hit the Pentagon was not a 757 like the "official" story has it. Third conclusion is that it could have been a military aircrat, like the EA6-B Nighthawk, that could have been fitted with a remote control. Second is the C-130 Hercules that was spotted flying around the Pentagon and D.C. in the first few minutes after the attack. Third conclusion, which seems most unlikely but could be possible, is that a missile struck the side of the Pentagon. This is due to the white vapor trail that is seen in the "official" video that was released in the weeks following 9-11. Here are another few questions. How did Navy Commanders recieve advance warnings to cancel their flights on the morning of 9-11? Why were the fighters that were sent up late unarmed? What happened to Flight 93 that brought about it's crash into a Pennsylvania field? And................... Was this a modern-day version of Operation Northwoods?

LabTop, you've presented some amazingly researched information here. Much thanks for providing this here. A WATS from me as well.

www.pentagonresearch.com...

Analysis of Flight 77 Flight Path Author: Former Air Force Pilot Steve Koeppel, Palm Springs, CA KEY NOTES: You can see where the White House was passed and the direct swipe through the air space of Reagan International. During this maneuver they dropped 7000 feet and by all reports did it "smoothly".

That flightpath is plain wrong in my opinion. The plane's last 500 meter followed either the State Highway 244, or the long green road between Hwy 244 and 2nd St S, as a straight guideline into the Pentagon wall. For sure it passed the Navy Annex building, and clipped some lightpoles on its diagonal crossing of the Pentagon Access road. If you believe the given flightpath, the plane would have come in from the left into the wall, it however came from the right side under a 53 degrees angle. I expect the exact approach flightpath to be situated exactly over the smaller north section of the Potomac river, thus perfectly fitting in the REGULATED approach path of Reagan Airport, going round it in a (perhaps a much tighter) turn and hone in on the Pentagon wall following 244 or the other road. Why? Because I read all eyewitness accounts, and only one, a simple Arlington cemetry grave digger, said the plane came over that cemetry (as drawn in that map with that thick white circle and arrow). Anybody here can draw the right approach and circling manoeuvre ? Following the radar maps of flight 77 which are online to see (see the links from those radar/radar guys I gave up there). Because I get a tiny guttfeeling that that circle was MUCH tighter than the US administration wants us to believe. Someone at the stick of the remote controls made a grave mistake in the last 30 exciting seconds, and they want to cover that up. Because it will show that there was no living pilot steering that thing in the cockpit, but a whizzkid somewhere out there, probably in that C-130 circling above. Who wanted to show off. He's now probably dead, they don't like that behavior. Much obliged if anybody can post a drawing of the real manoeuvre, on the same map, asap please. In red, over the white line. Just shift the whole "d" formed white line in such a way, that the leg of the "d" crosses the bridges in the north part of the Potomac river, in front of Arlington cemetery. It would start by crossing over the red square of the Embassy of France..... We will see then that the manoeuvre was an acrobatic one for such a big plane, and went straight over "Exit to State Hwy 244" (black words on the map).

sry for low quality, i'm not even sure it looks like what you mean:

The approach route is exactly right, just not the circle. If you would have taken the exact same white line drawn there, and just shifted it in such a way, that the same approach route as you draw now is laid out, you will see that your red arrow will now lay on the same end spot, only the circle will be bigger, and goes around Reagan Airport above the river. I hope you can still edit it. Thank you very much, you got the idea, what you have drawn is probably a physically impossible acrobatic turn with a 757. But I'm not sure, we should ask that our member with that "Pilot" in his name.

although i'd consider crossing the airport's flightlanes twice a bit risky due to traffic (especially if you're flying remote with probably just one camera, severely limiting view), here's my update:

perhaps the new version is more to your liking

Let's have a look at French researcher Eric Bart's Pentagon Attack Eyewitness Account Compilation, perhaps the most complete anywhere : 911research.wtc7.net...

Anderson, Steve : I witnessed the jet hit the Pentagon on September 11. From my office on the 19th floor of the USA TODAY building in Arlington, Va., I have a view of Arlington Cemetery, Crystal City, the Pentagon, National Airport and the Potomac River. ... Shortly after watching the second tragedy, I heard jet engines pass our building, which, being so close to the airport is very common. But I thought the airport was closed. I figured it was a plane coming in for landing. A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye. It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke. www.jmu.edu... Anlauf, Deb & Jeff : Mrs. Deb Anlauf, resident of Colfax, Wisconsin, was in her 14th floor of the Sheraton Hotel (located 1.6 mile from the explosion, immediately west of the Navy Annex) when she heard a "loud roar": Suddenly I saw this plane right outside my window. You felt like you could touch it; it was that close. It was just incredible. "Then it shot straight across from where we are and flew right into the Pentagon. It was just this huge fireball that crashed into the wall (of the Pentagon). When it hit, the whole hotel shook. www.leadertelegram.com... Battle : Battle, an office worker at the Pentagon, was standing outside the building and just about to enter when the aircraft struck. "It was coming down head first," he said. "And when the impact hit, the cars and everything were just shaking." www.abqtrib.com... Bauer, Gary : ... I had just passed the closest place the Pentagon is to the exit on 395 . . . when all of a sudden I heard the roar of a jet engine.""I looked at the woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of our windows to try to see the plane, and it wasn't until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon. www.massnews.com... Donald R. Bouchoux : ... was driving west from Tysons Corner to the Pentagon for a 10am meeting. He wrote: At 9:40 a.m. I was driving down Washington Boulevard (Route 27) along the side of the Pentagon when the aircraft crossed about 200 yards [should be more than 150 yards from the impact] in front of me and impacted the side of the building... web.lexis-nexis.com...... Bright, Mark : ... He had been manning the guard booth at the Mall Entrance to the building. "I saw the plane at the Navy Annex area," he said. "I knew it was going to strike the building because it was very, very low -- at the height of the street lights. It knocked a couple down." The plane would have been seconds from impact -- the annex is only a few hundred yards from the Pentagon. He said he heard the plane "power-up" just before it struck the Pentagon. www.dcmilitary.com... or mistakenly this link : www.smh.com.au... Cleveland, Allen : Soon after the crash (Within 30 seconds of the crash) I witnessed a military cargo plane (Possibly a C130) fly over the crash site and circle the mushroom cloud. My brother inlaw also witnessed the same plane following the jet while he was on the HOV lanes in Springfield. He said that he saw a jetliner flying low over the tree tops near Seminary RD in Springfield, VA. and soon afterwards a military plane was seen flying right behind it ... www.spooky8.com... Cook, Scott P. : [We didn't know what kind of plane had hit the Pentagon, or where it had hit. Later, we were told that] it was a 757 out of Dulles, which had come up the river in back of our building, turned sharply over the Capitol, ran past the White House and the Washington Monument, up the river to Rosslyn, then dropped to treetop level and ran down Washington Boulevard to the Pentagon (...) As we watched the black plume gather strength, less than a minute after the explosion, we saw an odd sight that no one else has yet commented on. Directly in back of the plume, which would place it almost due west from our office, a four-engine propeller plane, which Ray later said resembled a C-130, started a steep decent towards the Pentagon. It was coming from an odd direction (planes don't go east-west in the area), and it was descending at a much steeper angle than most aircraft. Trailing a thin, diffuse black trail from its engines, the plane reached the Pentagon at a low altitude and made a sharp left turn, passing just north of the plume, and headed straight for the White House. All the while, I was sort of talking at it: "Who the hell are you? Where are you going? You're not headed for downtown!" Ray and Verle watched it with me, and I was convinced it was another attack. But right over the tidal basin, at an altitude of less than 1000 feet, it made another sharp left turn to the north and climbed rapidly. Soon it was gone, leaving only the thin black trail. www.clothmonkey.com... Creed, Dan : He and two colleagues from Oracle software were stopped in a car near the Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they saw the plane dive down and level off. "It was no more than 30 feet off the ground, and it was screaming. It was just screaming. It was nothing more than a guided missile at that point," Creed said. "I can still see the plane. I can still see it right now. It's just the most frightening thing in the world, going full speed, going full throttle, its wheels up," Creed recalls. www.ahwatukee.com... DeChiaro, Steve : ... Civilians and soldiers joined emergency crews who were rushing inside to pull out anyone they could. But shortly after 10 a.m. police yelled at people to get back. "Just as we're about to open the door, they start screaming, 'There's another inbound plane', " DeChiaro said. "At that moment, your thoughts are: 'I go in the building, I get killed, then I'm no help to anybody.' In hindsight, I think we should have gone back in that building." For nearly 15 minutes, they stood watching the Pentagon burn and periodically checked the sky for another plane. That plane never reached Washington but fell, instead, in rural Pennsylvania. Teams of two and three eventually were sent back in to find more victims. But as the day grew longer, the flow of the injured stopped. www.gomemphis.com... Elgas, Penny Traffic was at a standstill. I heard a rumble, looked out my driver's side window and realized that I was looking at the nose of an airplane coming straight at us from over the road (Columbia Pike) that runs perpendicular to the road I was on. The plane just appeared there- very low in the air, to the side of (and not much above) the CITGO gas station that I never knew was there. My first thought was "Oh My God, this must be World War III!" In that split second, my brain flooded with adrenaline and I watched everything play out in ultra slow motion, I saw the plane coming in slow motion toward my car and then it banked in the slightest turn in front of me, toward the heliport. In the nano-second that the plane was directly over the cars in front of my car, the plane seemed to be not more than 80 feet off the ground and about 4-5 car lengths in front of me. It was far enough in front of me that I saw the end of the wing closest to me and the underside of the other wing as that other wing rocked slightly toward the ground. I remember recognizing it as an American Airlines plane -- I could see the windows and the color stripes. And I remember thinking that it was just like planes in which I had flown many times but at that point it never occurred to me that this might be a plane with passengers. In my adrenaline-filled state of mind, I was overcome by my visual senses. The day had started out beautiful and sunny and I had driven to work with my car's sunroof open. I believe that I may have also had one or more car windows open because the traffic wasn't moving anyway. At the second that I saw the plane, my visual senses took over completely and I did not hear or feel anything -- not the roar of the plane, or wind force, or impact sounds. The plane seemed to be floating as if it were a paper glider and I watched in horror as it gently rocked and slowly glided straight into the Pentagon. At the point where the fuselage hit the wall, it seemed to simply melt into the building. I saw a smoke ring surround the fuselage as it made contact with the wall. It appeared as a smoke ring that encircled the fuselage at the point of contact and it seemed to be several feet thick. I later realized that it was probably the rubble of churning bits of the plane and concrete. The churning smoke ring started at the top of the fuselage and simultaneously wrapped down both the right and left sides of the fuselage to the underside, where the coiling rings crossed over each other and then coiled back up to the top. Then it started over again -- only this next time, I also saw fire, glowing fire in the smoke ring. At that point, the wings disappeared into the Pentagon. And then I saw an explosion and watched the tail of the plane slip into the building. It was here that I closed my eyes for a moment and when I looked back, the entire area was awash in thick black smoke. americanhistory.si.edu... Evey, Walker Lee : The plane approached the Pentagon about six feet off the ground, clipping a light pole, a car antenna, a construction trailer and an emergency generator before slicing into the building, said Lee Evey, the manager of the Pentagon's ongoing billion-dollar renovation. The plane penetrated three of the Pentagon's five rings, but was probably stopped from going farther by hundreds of concrete columns. The plane peeled back as it entered, leaving pieces of the front of the plane near the outside of the building and pieces from the rear of the aircraft farther inside, Evey said. The floors just above the impact remained intact for about 35 minutes after the crash, allowing many people in those offices to escape, Evey said detnews.com... .... All-new office space was created with an open space plan aimed at enhancing flexibility (...) Amazingly, the plane pushed through the outermost "E Ring", and drove deep into the interior, its nose coming to rest just inside the "C Ring." www.designbuildmag.com... .... So it impacted the building in an area that had been renovated, but its path was at a -- it appears to be at a diagonal, so that it entered in wedge one but passed through into areas of wedge two, an unrenovated portion of the building. .... The nose of the plane just barely broke through the inside of the C ring, so it was extending into A-E Drive a little bit. ..... .... On its way in, the wing clipped. Our guess is an engine clipped a generator. We had an emergency temporary generator to provide life-safety emergency electrical power, should the power go off in the building. The wing actually clipped that generator, and portions of it broke off. There are other parts of the plane that are scattered about outside the building. None of those parts are very large, however. You don't see big pieces of the airplane sitting there extending up into the air. But there are many small pieces. And the few larger pieces there look like they are veins out of the aircraft engine. They're circular. .... www.patriotresource.com... Ford, Ken : Ken Ford : One eyewitness, State Department employee Ken Ford, said he watched from the 15th floor of the State Department Annex, just across the PotomacRiver from the Pentagon. We were watching the airport through binoculars, Ford said, referring to Reagan National Airport, a short distance away. The plane was a two-engine turbo prop that flew up the river from National. Then it turned back toward the Pentagon. We thought it had been waved off and then it hit the building. www.delawareonline.com... www.ireland.com...

That last one completes the total picture we can now make of the last trajectory of the flightpath of flight 77. It seems to be reasonably sure that it was just as I predicted, according to all the bits and pieces out of the above statements. That white line drawn on the map of this picture : www.pentagonresearch.com... was drawn much too WIDE. That plane made a much tighter turn while -racing- down that circling slope in the air. It was an acrobatic turn. That plane was remote controlled, with the passengers locked up in it, together with the eventual hijackers, unable to do a thing to steer it by means of cockpit steering. And the remote controller sat in that C-130 which for sure was a radar jamming outfitted one just like they use in Iraq now. I'll have a further more scrutinizing look at that C-130, and their crew, than I did before. And especially at the few names I have, which were mentioned in the media, after they couldn't kept that C-130 out of the news anymore, long after 9/11. If someone themselves want to see with their own eyes how tight and steep that turn must have been, take one of the highres 9/12 satellite pictures, and place the above witnesses stand- and viewpoints on the map. And that's why the Dulles radar room personnel said on 9/11 that it seemed to be a military manoeuvre of a military plane. They were right, the "pilot" was a military trained one. ( Poindexter or Oliver North come to mind, they are, proven without doubt, crooked enough to fit the picture).

Sorry, couldn't find so fast a better map with the name Rosslyn on it, so this masonic aerial must do for the moment : www.theforbiddenknowledge.com... as you can see, Rosslyn is NORTH of the Pentagon. I thought already that the, redded out by me, statement of Cook, Scott P., was a bunch of balony feeded to him by some who didn't want us to see the real flightpath of flight 77. I have a few more interviews, from the same Bart link, with varying credibility in my opinion : This interview seems to me, genuine :

Hemphill, Albert : From the view of the Navy Annex : After a few moments, Lt Gen Ron Kadish, Director of the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization entered the Secure Conference Room to pursue the day's activities and do real work. This office, with two nice windows and a great view of the monuments, the Capitol and the Pentagon was "good digs" by any Pentagon standard. I walked in the office and stood peering out of the window looking at the Pentagon. As I stood there, I instinctively ducked at the extremely loud roar and whine of a jet engine spooling up. Immediately, the large silver cylinder of an aircraft appeared in my window, coming over my right shoulder as I faced the Westside of the Pentagon directly towards the heliport. The aircraft, looking to be either a 757 or Airbus, seemed to come directly over the annex, as if it had been following Columbia Pike - an Arlington road leading to Pentagon. The aircraft was moving fast, at what I could only estimate as between 250 to 300 knots. All in all, I probably only had the aircraft in my field of view for approximately 3 seconds. The aircraft was at a sharp downward angle of attack, on a direct course for the Pentagon. It was "clean", in as much as, there were no flaps applied and no apparent landing gear deployed. He was slightly left wing down as he appeared in my line of sight, as if he'd just "jinked" to avoid something. As he crossed Route 110 he appeared to level his wings, making a slight right wing slow adjustment as he impacted low on the Westside of the building to the right of the helo, tower and fire vehicle around corridor 5. What instantly followed was a large yellow fireball accompanied by an extremely bass sounding, deep thunderous boom. The yellow fireball rose quickly as black smoke engulfed the entire Westside of the Pentagon, obscuring the whole of the heliport. I could feel the concussion and felt the shockwave of the blast impact the window of the Annex, knocking me against the desk. lists.travellercentral.com... www.ournetfamily.com...

This one, is a bunch of hear-say and balony, there is no grass near the second ring, since, untill the third ring, C-ring, all rooms were one big office space. After the C-ring, between a-B and B-C, were roads. The only grass to be found is in the center courtyard. He clearly thinks that the plane came down the Washington part of I-395. And the plane did not fly over the White House and Capitol.(underlined text by me).

Hovis, Tom : Being a former transport type (60's era) I cannot understand how that plane hit where it did giving the direction the aircraft was taking at the time. As most know, the Pentagon lies at the bottom of two hills from the west with the east side being next to the river at 14th street bridge. One hill is at the Navy Annex and the other is Arlington Cemetery. The plane came up I-395 also known as Shirley Hwy. (most likely used as a reference point.) The plane had been seen making a lazy pattern in the no fly zone over the White House and US Capitol. Why the plane did not hit incoming traffic coming down the river from the north to Reagan Nat'l. is beyond me . Strangely, no one at the Reagan Tower noticed the aircraft. Andrews AFB radar should have also picked up the aircraft I would think. Nevertheless, the aircarft went southwest near Springfield and then veered left over Arlington and then put the nose down coming over Ft Myer picking off trees and light poles near the helicopter pad next to building. It was as if he leveled out at the last minute and put it square into the building. The wings came off as if it went through an arch way leaving a hole in the side of the building it seems a little larger than the wide body of the aircraft. The entry point was so clean that the roof (shown in news photo) fell in on the wreckage. They are just now getting to the passengers today. The nosewheel I understand is in the grass near the second ring. .... www.beanerbanner.com...

This is an interesting one, that will have been the firebomb going off at ONI, which caused that long soothed area at the back of C-ring wall, 50 and 70 meters away from the "exit hole". :

Krohn, Charles H. : One of the aircraft's engines somehow ricocheted out of the building and arched into the Pentagon's mall parking area between the main building and the new loading dock facility, said Charles H. Krohn, the Army's deputy chief of public affairs. Those fleeing the building heard a loud secondary explosion about 10 min. after the initial impact. www.aviationnow.com...

Here is a photo of the ORIGINAL exit hole in the third ring wall, C-ring, shortly after plane impact at the front E-ring wall. As you can see, it was substantially smaller than the photo's shown all over this board, with the sprayed texts left and right of that then WIDENED hole : Anyone with a sane mind sees a NOSECONE sticking out of there, as one of the interviewed in above post wants us to believe ? That cone must have disintegrated when it hit the E-ring outer wall ! [edit on 20/11/05 by LaBTop] [edit on 20/11/05 by LaBTop]

flying along the highway? no problem:

although the impact angle is now way off, imho. --- wrt to the 'exit hole' i find it very strange that it's an almost perfect circular shape! let's presume something in the aircraft caused it, doesn't that suggest zero obliquity ? ie. a directly frontal approach? all sources i know indicate an impact at around 50deg, though.

copy it, import it in Paint, and mirror it horizontally. Then it suddenly has the right exit angle, from left to right "something" exited through that wall. Now you see that the (new) -right- side has a deformation according to an outcoming object, exiting under an angle of about 53 degrees. First rules on the WWW : Do not trust one source Do not trust one picture Use your common sence, and always observe the path of the sun in pictures, and thus the resulting shadows. This will tell you a lot about the times pictures were taken. Lance, that looks more like it. However, we must find a DETAILED streetmap of that part of Washington, with all the road names on it, and especially the buildings mentioned in all the interviews from that Bart page above.

Would this be of any use Click for over sized picutre more detaled with street names

external image [edit on 20/11/2005 by Sauron]

ok, i used a higher res map (thnx map24.com)...

i made sure it went very close to the navy annex and followed hwy 395 for a mile or so, with some maneuvering during the final approach. disclaimer: they're all talking about the final phase of flight, i don't know if the circle is ok, if it's not, tell me, a few more iterations and we'll probably have what you want. PS: seems like the impact angle is spot on, contrary to my earlier comment

Originally posted by Long Lance i find it very strange that it's an almost perfect circular shape! let's presume something in the aircraft caused it, doesn't that suggest zero obliquity ? ie. a directly frontal approach? all sources i know indicate an impact at around 50deg, though.

No. Not really. For one thing, that was a relatively thin masonry wall. Secondly, no matter what the angle was, the hole would have been circular. Kind of like the principle behind the fact that all meteor impact craters are round, no matter what the angle of impact was.

Originally posted by HowardRoark

Originally posted by Long Lance i find it very strange that it's an almost perfect circular shape! let's presume something in the aircraft caused it, doesn't that suggest zero obliquity ? ie. a directly frontal approach? all sources i know indicate an impact at around 50deg, though.

No. Not really. For one thing, that was a relatively thin masonry wall. Secondly, no matter what the angle was, the hole would have been circular. Kind of like the principle behind the fact that all meteor impact craters are round, no matter what the angle of impact was.

d'uh, i am not willing to compare a meteor impact to a plane crash, sorry, i'll stick with the object-through-wall model, which requires an elongation' factor' of roughly 1.6 for ~50 degrees... of course, there are far too many assumptions, still, namely that the object itself was circular, perfectly rigid etc., so i'll try not to run off on a tangent here based on basically nothing. the most interesting aspect, imho, is the 'weapon' itself, which is apparently capable of punching through countless walls without leaving much in the way of residues. of course, that has little to do with the 757 and wether it hit the pentagon, does it?

Originally posted by LaBTop Let's have a look at French researcher Eric Bart's Pentagon Attack Eyewitness Account Compilation, perhaps the most complete anywhere : 911research.wtc7.net...

Anderson, Steve : I witnessed the jet hit the Pentagon on September 11. From my office on the 19th floor of the USA TODAY building in Arlington, Va., I have a view of Arlington Cemetery, Crystal City, the Pentagon, National Airport and the Potomac River. ... Shortly after watching the second tragedy, I heard jet engines pass our building, which, being so close to the airport is very common. But I thought the airport was closed. I figured it was a plane coming in for landing. A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye. It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke. www.jmu.edu...

While I commend your ability to corral all this info together for us I still fail to see any real evidence that a plane hit the Pentagon. If this account is anything close to true could someone please post a picture showing all the damage to the lawn a 757 "dragging it's wing" along the ground might cause? I'm sorry but that's been the lynch pin for me all this time. How could a pilot that had poor piloting skills at best fly a bird that big into a target that small without hitting the ground? Also, why would the wing not have begun to fall apart at contact with the ground? It makes no sense to cling to the story when the photo evidence we have been permitted to see says otherwise. I mean, if you think a photo journalist would miss the opportunity to document the removal of bodies or plane wreckage you would be dead wrong. I have only seen one engine part that was way too small to have been from a 757 and some “fuselage” that a guy picked up with one hand and carried off. I need proof and no one has given me proof so far least of all the people who have the answers in the form of confiscated surveillance tapes.

This argument is good but there are a few questions from a concerned british guy which has now become the newest state of the USA I havnt yet seen one photo of that plane flying low before impact considering that to hit the pentogon where it did and at the supposed angle it would have had to been flying in low for quiet a while and with todays camera phones ect i aint seen one photo of the plane yet . Help if ya can. Aparently 1000 s of people saw this aircraft how many people have you seen on record saying they saw this plane. Not playing the black box voice recordings is another copout you would think the goverment would like to silence the people saying the goverment did this.I know if i was in charge and my own people where accusing me of a plot to cause war and kill my own people i would do everything in my power to prove my innocence. It is my understanding that the supposed terrorist who flew the plane into the building had at best a few flying lessons. I dare say that even a pilot who had got a basic pilots licence could not jump into the cockpit of a passenger jet and fly at low level and crash into the side of the building. in ww11 kamakazi pilots experienced in combat flying with highly manouvrable planes more often than not missed there targets flying in at low level . I dont want this to be true but the war in iraq was based on a lie . we made saddam our enemy *Mod edit. All caps is YUCKY!* [edit on 22-11-2005 by dbates]

Originally posted by Long Lance the most interesting aspect, imho, is the 'weapon' itself, which is apparently capable of punching through countless walls without leaving much in the way of residues. of course, that has little to do with the 757 and wether it hit the pentagon, does it?

Well if you are counting drywall partitions, then “countless” walls is fairly accurate, but how much effort does it take to punch through a drywall partition?