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Originally posted by smarterthanyou
reply to post by boncho
their website has been around for a while now. i'm not taking sides, but if you are TPTB and are happily taking orders instead of trying to wake up your fellow men and spread truth and goodness, and liberty, then we don't want you here. anyone who is for oppression and tyranny, rule by the few, competition is a sin, fake war on drugs, forced inoculation, open borders, NAFTA GAT managed trade agreements, carbon taxes etc. can fall off a cliff. Please elaborate your position for us.
Originally posted by smarterthanyou
reply to post by boncho
You said you were the closest thing to TPTB that the OP will ever get near. I want to know how close?
edit: I didn't say the site was legit, I just said its been around for 7-8 maybe 10 years. Doesn't mean its legit.edit on 1/12/2012 by smarterthanyou because: (no reason given)
Sigh, you're just another one of those pot head, new agey, coffee shop college atheists, aren't you? Of course, you harbor the inherent desire to rebel for no real reason other than for the sake of opposing. Aligning yourself with the Illuminati just because they seem to strike some sort of desire to disparage religion for whatever angst you harbor is fairly concerning and it seems like the Illuminati are doing a fine job in their recruitment drive. There's nothing enlightening about hating the government or religion, it really just comes down to another young person thinking the world is against them and will run to someone who promises change.
Originally posted by Taz2122
reply to post by FugitiveSoul
Nice to see there are some posters here who seem to "get" what the site is about. But the majority just sees the word Illuminati and/or NWO and just dismiss it out of hand.
Listen, forget the word Illuminati, just read the articles. Doesn't matter it they are the real deal or not. The message is a good one, if perhaps a tad harsh occasionally.
Originally posted by AlienGrey
To accept the Masons, Illuminati et al is to accept Lucifer as well.
So is Lucifer one of the good guys?
Originally posted by Tesclo
The Illuminti technically don't even exist anymore. The problem people are having is exactly as you state. Illuminati has been tied to the secret societies such as the masons, skull and bones, the knights templar, etc. etc. Think of the Illuminati more as like Anonymous. It's more of an idea than an actual group. The problem the OP made when creating this thread is including the term Illuminati. People should view the information without associating it with a group but more so an idea.
Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
Misinformation and secret societys don't make websites, that wouldn't really be "secret" now would it. :edit on 12-1-2012 by RevelationGeneration because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Cythraul
Whoever the Illuminati actually are, they're powerful. So why don't they use that power to come right out into the open for all people to see and fight alongside?! Secrecy is the reserve of malevolent entities. A benevolent one would not covet their knowledge and their ideological war.
For this reason alone, I don't buy it one bit!
Originally posted by Tesclo
reply to post by ElectricUniverse
So it's better to bomb ourselves back the stoneage (again?) or atleast attempt to give the idea a try? That's my only question. Because the way we're going now, we wont make it 10 years without a 3rd world war. This one will be nucular.
Originally posted by WhoKnows100
Lol, your comments alone in support of the "good guys" gives away the deception. And by calling people who believe in the Word and Glory of God as "ignorant" is just the most common form of propaganda that is out there.
But it's not true. That was pure fiction. The Illuminati began in 1776 and ended in 1785. Period.
Originally posted by racasan
I think it was in a Dan Brown book I read that the Illuminati where created by such people as Leonardo da Vinci and others like him as a reaction to the catholic church’s methods/tactics/crimes against humanity – this seems plausible to me
Not at all. You guys are all new to the Secret Societies forum. If you'd take a look around, you'd see that 90% of the threads in this forum are populated on a daily basis by a dozen or so Freemasons. Every once in awhile an anti-Mason will come in here and stir things up, and then complain to the admins that Masons are ganging up on them. That's why the notice is here. (Of course, by now I believe there are at least 4, if not 6 or more mods on ATS who are Masons too...) So far, though, I think I'm one of the few Masons who's fallen into the trap of posting in this thread. When it dies down, the rest of us will still be posting in SS with regularity, like we have for years.
Originally posted by NeoVain
Originally posted by thepeoplesmilitia
Why does the secret societies notice look so freaky compared to all the other tabs? I wanted to post about the illuminati thing but this notice scarred me away.
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It basically means you could be banned or otherwise punished for trying to derail or intentionally destroy a thread here. This message is needed since naturally people tend to not believe in this kind of stuff, and therefore they tend to lash out and nitpick at every little thing before even doing any research on the topic themselves. Just because it is easier i guess.
Threads has been derailed many times before, and people banned. Therefore they had to put that message up, as a warning.
Basically if you have nothing constructive to add to the thread, think twice before posting.
Well, you said, I read it in a Dan Brown novel, is it true? And I answered no. Not sure how you get that I was confused...
Originally posted by racasan
reply to post by JoshNorton
My fault – it was the Dan Brown thing that confused you
Depends on how you define "back in the day". There may have been some individuals who were against the church, and yes, they would have had to act in secret, but their numbers were small and their influence minimal. It really wasn't until the enlightenment era that you had, well, enlightened thinkers who made it their purpose to question the church. And guess when the Age of Enlightenment was? The same time the Bavarian Illuminati got their start.
My point is that there very probably was a reaction to the Catholic Church back in the day, maybe even in the time of Leonardo da Vinci – if so then they would have had to keep themselves secret for fear of what the Catholic Church would do
But doesn't it? I mean, you're not the first here to say, so what if the Easter Bunny said it, it's still good advice. But if you frame your argument based on something shaky, it's bound to fall apart eventually. If it's such a good idea, then move forward on the idea and distance yourself from the loons as soon as you can!
If that is true then there may well be good Illuminati the op is talking about - now is the op’s website made by the good Illuminati – I have my doubts, but if the ideas on the website are worth considering then I don’t think it matters who thought them up it only matters that they are good ideas
Clearly they're not, but they're banking on the name association to try to gain credibility.
Do the good Illuminati exist – I find it plausible. also I don’t think the Bavarian illuminati are the same guys as these proposed white-hat Illuminati
Originally posted by JoshNorton
But it's not true. That was pure fiction. The Illuminati began in 1776 and ended in 1785. Period.
Originally posted by racasan
I think it was in a Dan Brown book I read that the Illuminati where created by such people as Leonardo da Vinci and others like him as a reaction to the catholic church’s methods/tactics/crimes against humanity – this seems plausible to me
Sure, I won't disagree with that. But as I said, it really came to a head in the 18th century, as both churches and kings were losing power.
Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
When people think "Illuminati" they immediately think of the Bavarian Illuminati (beginning 1776), which is not the sole or original source of the Illuminati movement. That was merely the "idea" being put into a social movement to break apart the iron grip that Christianity had on society and mankind's ability to progress; an anti-slave movement, if you will. This open movement quickly fell apart as Christianity proved a formidable opponent to truth and reason. The Idea is far far older, dating back half a millennium when "paganism" was boosting man into the age of medicine and technology. Judaism frowned upon paganism, but they didn't openly try to abolish it, they merely avoided it. The war against Abraham began with the witch and lycan trials in Europe during the burning times (14th c.)
Originally posted by JoshNorton
Likewise, while the ideas that inspired the Bavarian Illuminati of 1776 existed before them, and still exist today, any group calling itself Illuminati to cash in on that is doing a disservice to history.
Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
Originally posted by JoshNorton
Likewise, while the ideas that inspired the Bavarian Illuminati of 1776 existed before them, and still exist today, any group calling itself Illuminati to cash in on that is doing a disservice to history.
I cannot disagree with that statement at all. As a mason, I'm sure you find no good fortune in those trying to cash in on Masonic teachings or conspiracies. We all have our dark horses, do we not?
Books and movies like 'The Da Vinci Code' and 'National Treasure' do nothing for the truth either. Makes one wonder if the damage done was intentional or purely for the sake of profit?
Originally posted by boncho
Those books and stories are fiction, meant to entertain. In the end, they entertain, and they are fiction. If someone is mistaking them for fact than that person is an idiot.
Much like anyone who mistook the website in the OP as fact...