The Illuminati are the GOOD GUYS!

reply to post by NeoVain


So they tell you that they are the good guys and you believe them?

How do you know for certain that they are not the bad guys?

Who is pushing for a New World Order?

They claim those in power now don't want a New World Order, but who is it in fact who has been calling for a New World Order?...

IMO, this is nothing more than deception, if that website is truly an Illuminati website.

The Illuminati USED to be the good guys, but they have been infiltrated by those they claim they are fighting against.

If you look at every World political party they are ALL calling for a New World Order. That alone should tell you that what they claim in that website is false.

Wow... what a thread indeed... I have been awake throughout the night and most of what this thread claims seems highly plausible... my mind is indeed boggled... I have always been taught that the 'Illuminati' are implicitly 'evil' in nature and worship satan and protect their wealth with their own 'national' armies... it does seem reasonable that there are indeed two 'Illuminati' movements... like a Ying/Yang type scenario... my problem now is that I don't know whether I am Neo, or perhaps, WE are Neo (using the Matrix analogy)... hmmm

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by NeoVain

 

So they tell you that they are the good guys and you believe them?

How do you know for certain that they are not the bad guys?

Who is pushing for a New World Order?

They claim those in power now don't want a New World Order, but who is it in fact who has been calling for a New World Order?...

IMO, this is nothing more than deception, if that website is truly an Illuminati website.

The Illuminati USED to be the good guys, but they have been infiltrated by those they claim they are fighting against.

If you look at every World political party they are ALL calling for a New World Order. That alone should tell you that what they claim in that website is false.

edit on 12-1-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

You have to understand one thing. Eventually we as a species will have to form a new world order. Not in the way that you think of the term, but a one world borderless nation. The problem is, the people of the old order want the rules to remain the same as the old order while making everything global. But in reality, we need to make everything global while eliminating that which has enslaved us thus far. That includes the obvious like slavery, but moves more into monetary and religious issues. War needs to stop. It is primitive and a tool used to enslave. The same can be said about religion, but it seems that people simply aren't ready to let go of their bed time stories.

I'm sorry if I seem a bit harsh in this thread, it is not my intention. However, it is extremely frustrating to see people glance over something and immediately disregard it simply because it doesn't coincide with what their book tells them. To claim something is of Satan without even a hint of the subject being presented is the definition of ignorant.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Did you even check the website? Because it seems like what you are describing is the OWO, not the Illuminati.

Originally posted by BrianOrion
Wow... what a thread indeed... I have been awake throughout the night and most of what this thread claims seems highly plausible... my mind is indeed boggled... I have always been taught that the 'Illuminati' are implicitly 'evil' in nature and worship satan and protect their wealth with their own 'national' armies... it does seem reasonable that there are indeed two 'Illuminati' movements... like a Ying/Yang type scenario... my problem now is that I don't know whether I am Neo, or perhaps, WE are Neo (using the Matrix analogy)... hmmm

The Illuminti technically don't even exist anymore. The problem people are having is exactly as you state. Illuminati has been tied to the secret societies such as the masons, skull and bones, the knights templar, etc. etc. Think of the Illuminati more as like Anonymous. It's more of an idea than an actual group. The problem the OP made when creating this thread is including the term Illuminati. People should view the information without associating it with a group but more so an idea.

Originally posted by Tesclo

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by NeoVain

 

So they tell you that they are the good guys and you believe them?

How do you know for certain that they are not the bad guys?

Who is pushing for a New World Order?

They claim those in power now don't want a New World Order, but who is it in fact who has been calling for a New World Order?...

IMO, this is nothing more than deception, if that website is truly an Illuminati website.

The Illuminati USED to be the good guys, but they have been infiltrated by those they claim they are fighting against.

If you look at every World political party they are ALL calling for a New World Order. That alone should tell you that what they claim in that website is false.

edit on 12-1-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

You have to understand one thing. Eventually we as a species will have to form a new world order. Not in the way that you think of the term, but a one world borderless nation. The problem is, the people of the old order want the rules to remain the same as the old order while making everything global. But in reality, we need to make everything global while eliminating that which has enslaved us thus far. That includes the obvious like slavery, but moves more into monetary and religious issues. War needs to stop. It is primitive and a tool used to enslave. The same can be said about religion, but it seems that people simply aren't ready to let go of their bed time stories.

I'm sorry if I seem a bit harsh in this thread, it is not my intention. However, it is extremely frustrating to see people glance over something and immediately disregard it simply because it doesn't coincide with what their book tells them. To claim something is of Satan without even a hint of the subject being presented is the definition of ignorant.

The main point of the post, as I can gather, is to suggest a solution to our current problems that have this world on the brink of Revolution... the whole 1% / 99% situation HAS to change... people are waking up to the fact that the 'Old World Order' has indeed sold us all LIE after LIE while amassing great wealth... meanwhile 'allowing' 30,000 people PER DAY to die of starvation while there is an obesity epidemic in certain countries... this, for me, is satanic... the rich laughing 'all the way to the bank'...

Originally posted by Tesclo

Originally posted by BrianOrion
Wow... what a thread indeed... I have been awake throughout the night and most of what this thread claims seems highly plausible... my mind is indeed boggled... I have always been taught that the 'Illuminati' are implicitly 'evil' in nature and worship satan and protect their wealth with their own 'national' armies... it does seem reasonable that there are indeed two 'Illuminati' movements... like a Ying/Yang type scenario... my problem now is that I don't know whether I am Neo, or perhaps, WE are Neo (using the Matrix analogy)... hmmm

The Illuminti technically don't even exist anymore. The problem people are having is exactly as you state. Illuminati has been tied to the secret societies such as the masons, skull and bones, the knights templar, etc. etc. Think of the Illuminati more as like Anonymous. It's more of an idea than an actual group. The problem the OP made when creating this thread is including the term Illuminati. People should view the information without associating it with a group but more so an idea.

Without seeming like I am being argumentative... how do you know, for certain, that there is no 'GOOD' Illuminati network working towards a solution to the crisis this world currently faces... maybe not the original Adam Weishaupt group, but one motivated by his principles?

Originally posted by Tesclo
You have to understand one thing. Eventually we as a species will have to form a new world order. Not in the way that you think of the term, but a one world borderless nation. The problem is, the people of the old order want the rules to remain the same as the old order while making everything global. But in reality, we need to make everything global while eliminating that which has enslaved us thus far. That includes the obvious like slavery, but moves more into monetary and religious issues. War needs to stop. It is primitive and a tool used to enslave. The same can be said about religion, but it seems that people simply aren't ready to let go of their bed time stories.
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We don't need to do such a thing, and that which you want to happen will only cause more wars, and more death.

Do tell me please, whose version of politics would exist in that One World Order? Which religion would exist? and there will be one, even Atheism is a religion.

You see, humanity is full of very different and very complex people, and because of all those differences we will never have a One World Order as you want.

We might be able to reach relative peace, there will always be some sort of conflicts however. We might be able to reach SOME agreements, but there will always be differences, and as such there will NEVER be a One World Order, unless it is ENFORCED by FORCE...

BTW, did you not know that every tyrant, and dictator the world over had similar ideas to your own which is what caused dictatorships to happen in the first place?...

reply to post by Tesclo


Good post, just wanted to add to that, that people are usually lazy by "nature". When they have worked to get something, they want to reap it´s rewards, and just sit back for as long as they can, before they have to work again.This is actually not a natural thing at all, but it becomes natural under the current system. It is designed as such, and it works.

This is important to understand, because the people pushing for the OWO to remain as it always have been, are the people that already are in power: they have done their work, and now want to sit back and reap it´s rewards with their high salaries and multiple luxury cars/yachts/private planes whatever.

If this new world order where to happen, they want it to happen in a way so they can remain in that "lazy place" and relax. Add this to the fact that those guys are usually over 60 years old, and it becomes pretty apparent why. So in fact, they do not even have to be "Evil" per-say, just "natural" under the current system. And i do not think they see themselves as Evil either. That is why them, themselves can shrug this whole thing off as a "conspiracy theory" and laugh in the face of someone actually trying to confront them. They do not do this to seem innocent, but because they actually believe they are.

Understanding this, we can also understand that if we want true change, if we want the Illuminati version(Meritocracy) for example, or even something better, we need to remove this power from them first. For this to happen, we need to get a "critical mass" of people to understand this message, so it gets further propagation until the point where change is inevitable.

The Internet is a great tool here, in fact i think it is necessary even. This can never happen without the internet, and sites such as this. But everyone still need to be open to the message, absorb it, agree on it and understand it´s merits. The older generations of today barely use the internet. Maybe they need to die off first. So perhaps it may take several years. But perhaps they are not even necessary, perhaps a critical mass can be achieve even without them.

Originally posted by BrianOrion

Originally posted by Tesclo

Originally posted by BrianOrion
Wow... what a thread indeed... I have been awake throughout the night and most of what this thread claims seems highly plausible... my mind is indeed boggled... I have always been taught that the 'Illuminati' are implicitly 'evil' in nature and worship satan and protect their wealth with their own 'national' armies... it does seem reasonable that there are indeed two 'Illuminati' movements... like a Ying/Yang type scenario... my problem now is that I don't know whether I am Neo, or perhaps, WE are Neo (using the Matrix analogy)... hmmm

The Illuminti technically don't even exist anymore. The problem people are having is exactly as you state. Illuminati has been tied to the secret societies such as the masons, skull and bones, the knights templar, etc. etc. Think of the Illuminati more as like Anonymous. It's more of an idea than an actual group. The problem the OP made when creating this thread is including the term Illuminati. People should view the information without associating it with a group but more so an idea.

Without seeming like I am being argumentative... how do you know, for certain, that there is no 'GOOD' Illuminati network working towards a solution to the crisis this world currently faces... maybe not the original Adam Weishaupt group, but one motivated by his principles?

I don't. But I also don't like to rely on that which cannot be proven for a solution to our problems. It's like waiting for aliens to come by and save us from ourselves. We need to do things or they will never get done.

Originally posted by NeoVain

Good post, just wanted to add to that, that people are usually lazy by "nature". When they have worked to get something, they want to reap it´s rewards, and just sit back for as long as they can, before they have to work again.
This is actually not a natural thing at all, but it becomes natural under the current system. It is designed as such, and it works.
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Really? it is not natural at all?...

Is it not natural for a bear to eat as much as it can before winter so that it can lazyly hybernate and then start all over when spring comes up?....

Is it not natural for a snake to use all it's energy to trap a prey, eat it, and lazyly wait for it to be digested doing nothing much until it needs to eat again?...

Funny, but what you call unnatural i can demonstrate to you that it is VERY natural.

Most animals, with a few exceptions among some insects, work just as much as they need to and then they lazyly play, or just lay down under the sun doing nothing but enjoying their lazyness and enjoying what nature can offer.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Tesclo
You have to understand one thing. Eventually we as a species will have to form a new world order. Not in the way that you think of the term, but a one world borderless nation. The problem is, the people of the old order want the rules to remain the same as the old order while making everything global. But in reality, we need to make everything global while eliminating that which has enslaved us thus far. That includes the obvious like slavery, but moves more into monetary and religious issues. War needs to stop. It is primitive and a tool used to enslave. The same can be said about religion, but it seems that people simply aren't ready to let go of their bed time stories.
...

We don't need to do such a thing, and that which you want to happen will only cause more wars, and more death.

Do tell me please, whose version of politics would exist in that One World Order? Which religion would exist? and there will be one, even Atheism is a religion.

You see, humanity is full of very different and very complex people, and because of all those differences we will never have a One World Order as you want.

We might be able to reach relative peace, there will always be some sort of conflicts however. We might be able to reach SOME agreements, but there will always be differences, and as such there will NEVER be a One World Order, unless it is ENFORCED by FORCE...

BTW, did you not know that every tyrant, and dictator the world over had similar ideas to your own which is what caused dictatorships to happen in the first place?...

edit on 12-1-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

The site offers a very solid solution to which politics could be used, but you decided not to read into it. Those that have a different idea are welcome to share it. As to religion, I don't think we as a people need religion. I believe the entire concept to be as primitive as war. That's an opinion though.

I don't want a world order. All I want is to be left alone, but that's not going to happen. Not in the society we live in. People are very different, yes, but that's not to say that we can't come to agreements. Which are we given at birth? A sidearm or a tongue? There's a reason for it. War is primitive. People need to learn to stop resorting to violence everytime they don't get their way.

We're not ready for this yet. We're still too primitive. And that's the exact reason why every tyrant preacing this message has always gone the same way. When we stop thinking only about ourselves and understand that the only thing that matters is the future generation and the survival of this species, then we might make some progress. Until then, it's business as usual. Let's just hope we don't blow ourselves up before then.

reply to post by Tesclo


I wholeheartedly agree! We do indeed (think I've used the word 'indeed' in every post! :lol need to change things ourselves... I have read A LOT on how/why/when... believe me... but the first thing that needs to change is simple... people need to accept that things are not working... we need practical solutions... NOT war and pointless propaganda but REAL solutions... 'we the People' need to take back the power from 'THEM'... the solutions mentioned on this site are simple... with enough people discussing, in a calm, rational and non-emotional state, how we are going to 'change the world'... we can indeed (!) make it happen...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Is it not natural for a bear to eat as much as it can before winter so that it can lazyly hybernate and then start all over when spring comes up?....

This becomes natural for the bear, only in the current system he resides. All living organisms are the same; they adapt to the environment. If you cannot understand this, think about that same bear, if we put him in an environment where there was no winter. How many bears live around the equator as an example? Pandas are the closest thing, and they don´t even hibernate.

science.howstuffworks.com...

reply to post by NeoVain


This revolution needs to be done without war because war breeds war. If we cannot grasp this, then we are doomed to repeat the same mistakes of the past. Violence is out of the question. It needs to be resolved peacefully this time or we'll get thrown back into the same loop.

Originally posted by Tesclo
reply to post by NeoVain

 

This revolution needs to be done without war because war breeds war. If we cannot grasp this, then we are doomed to repeat the same mistakes of the past. Violence is out of the question. It needs to be resolved peacefully this time or we'll get thrown back into the same loop.

I agree. When i said perhaps the old people need to die off, i did not mean violently, but naturally. Hence why i said it may take several years. The younger generations are already used with the Internet, so when they get older they will still use it. The people that where already old when internet arrived, are not as eager to jump on the bandwagon i have found.

The bottom line is people need to understand the message, the flaws with the current system, and why we can never thrive under it. What we need to change and how.

Originally posted by Tesclo

The site offers a very solid solution to which politics could be used, but you decided not to read into it. Those that have a different idea are welcome to share it. As to religion, I don't think we as a people need religion. I believe the entire concept to be as primitive as war. That's an opinion though.

And I can assure you 100% that there will be BILLIONS of people who will dissagree with you, and with the options given by that website, or any other.

I can assure you 100% that there will be BILLIONS of people who will not abbandon their religious beliefs just because people like you want them to.

That's not an opinion, that is the truth btw.

Originally posted by Tesclo
I don't want a world order. All I want is to be left alone, but that's not going to happen. Not in the society we live in. People are very different, yes, but that's not to say that we can't come to agreements. Which are we given at birth? A sidearm or a tongue? There's a reason for it. War is primitive. People need to learn to stop resorting to violence everytime they don't get their way.

You can only be left alone for a while. Humans, and all animals are by nature social creatures, and even people like you will eventually look for social interaction.

After all, you joined freely this website right?

As for war, war is not primitive in the least, and in many instances war is necessary. you migth want to disagree all you want but it won't change the fact that at times war is necessary.

For example, most of the world MIGHT accept a One World Order for a time until they start seeing that what they thought the One World Order would be, it is not. Then people will start revolting against the One World Order, skirmishes will appear slowly in isolated places until it is a full scale war.

It is in our nature to be different, and because of that we will always have discussions, and discussions can turn into disagreements, and disagreements can turn into arguments, and wars can erupt over arguments.

Originally posted by Tesclo
We're not ready for this yet. We're still too primitive. And that's the exact reason why every tyrant preacing this message has always gone the same way. When we stop thinking only about ourselves and understand that the only thing that matters is the future generation and the survival of this species, then we might make some progress. Until then, it's business as usual. Let's just hope we don't blow ourselves up before then.

It has nothing to do with being primitive. It has everything to do with our nature. Since we are not born robots, and we grow up to be very different people, and we grow up in different cultures, and learning about different religions, we will always be different.

Because we will always be different we will always have arguments, and at times wars.

There is also the fact that we are wired to survive at all cost. Because of this we will fight over resources, just like animals do.

War is a natural thing whether you want to believe it or not. Even many animals and species of insects fight wars against other animals and even their own species.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


War is a natural thing. Just like animals.

Originally posted by Tesclo

War is a natural thing. Just like animals.

edit on 12-1-2012 by Tesclo because: (no reason given)

I don't like wars, they are not only violent but brutal, but unfortunately there will always be wars.

If you look at the depictions of even angels, or if you belive in them aliens, even they fight wars amongst themselves and others.

The only way to stop wars among humans, or animals is to convert every human or animal into a robot, but then we would have no conciousness at all, we will have no individuality, and no soul/spirit.

The only reason for a robot to exist is to be given commands, and be told at all times what to do. There are no personal goals in a robot, no identity, no emotions.

No human, or animal will ever accept such a thing.

If you keep captive a human, or animal trying to change them into something they are not, and if they have no way out, they will die, or they will kill themselves.

Misinformation and secret societys don't make websites, that wouldn't really be "secret" now would it. :