Russia 'worried' over Iran's nuclear ambitions

Russia 'worried' over Iran's nuclear ambitions

The Kremlin, which generally opposes Western attempts to tighten United Nations sanctions, criticised Iran for starting to enrich uranium at up to 20 per cent purity inside a previously secret plant. This facility, located at Fordow near the city of Qom, is buried beneath a mountainside and could be invulnerable to military attack.

A statement from the Russian foreign ministry said that Moscow has "with regret and worry received the news of the start of work on enriching uranium at the Iranian plant". Iran only declared Fordow to the International Atomic Energy Agency after the facility was discovered by western intelligence agencies. Russia was also kept in the dark – a fact that damaged the Kremlin's relations with Iran.

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The thud sound would be the other shoe dropping. Russia is worried about the enrichment as well, which is telling since they will most likely know a bit more about Irans plans than the west since, as people point out, Russia will defend Iran to the end.

Not to worry though, Ahmadenijad still has a major ally - Chavez.

The latest developments with the oil embargo (leaked info of course) is how to implement it, which apparently is going to be in phases so Iran still has options to discuss the situation and find a peaceful resolution. It also gives time to convince Russia and China to support tougher UN sanctions.

For those beating the peace drums - Iran is being given any and all opprotunities. If hostilities break out, its due to them, not NATO or the West.

If iran wants peace why are they testing long range missles in the straight? Little fishy if you ask me.

ya sure, they're very worried. because they wouldn't want a third party to nuke the country that won the cold war and destroyed them.

i'm sure putin is tossing and turning at night because iran is enriching uranium.

they're only worried that the fake nuclear weapon program is drawing too much attention to the region, and in turn, Putin.

with Iran flawnting it's ability to do what it wants, it puts Russia in a tough position.
the more you push America, the more America pushes back. if the paper trail leads from Iran to Russia, well then you can see the problem.

so this is Russia saying publicly to Iran, just stop the agression with the Americans until we know we can do something about it.

Originally posted by randomname
ya sure, they're very worried. because they wouldn't want a third party to nuke the country that won the cold war and destroyed them.

i'm sure putin is tossing and turning at night because iran is enriching uranium.

Sarcasm aside its an important development. This is along the same lines of China telling Iran they are wanting cheaper oil to keep them as a customer, while china shops around to replace the lost oil imports. China has reduced their purchasing of Iranian oil by almost 50%.

Russia usually remains quiet aside from the occasional comment towards the West. For Russia to be "worried" is significant. It says Russia is becoming concerned about Irans nuclear ambition. In several other threads we have speculated Russia and China were acting as the big brothers to Iran, pushing Iran into a fight with the west.

I think Iran went a bit to far and Russia and China lost some of the control. If Iran goes off the deep end, the view point some have held is Russia and China would intervene on behalf of Iran. When China bolted it left Russia holding the strings. With Russia getting nervous, its entirely possible Iran might take that signal as "you're on your own", in which case Iran may feel they have no other options but to develop a nuke.

Evidence, imo, is in the article with the Russian public statement - Russia was kept in the dark.

Thats certainly a good way to piss a person off who has been standing by their side arguing their case. If Irans program gets a nuke, I guarantee the one area that will be closely looked at is how they were able to get to that point. Chances are some of those advances came from Russia / China.

The cheese stands alone.

Originally posted by Xcathdra


For those beating the peace drums - Iran is being given any and all opprotunities. If hostilities break out, its due to them, not NATO or the West.

Sanctions to destroy the economy.
5th fleet a stones throw away.
Aggressors on 3 sides on her borders threatening to bomb any day.
Proven history of attacking soverign nations for false reasons.

Ya ok, Iran is being aggressive.

Let me give you a example you can relate to sir.

Iran is handcuffed behind their back with 3 cops feeding it punches yelling `Dont resist`

Russia knows full well that if Iran gets nuclear weapons the whole ME will face an arms race. Russia doesn't want that any more than the West does.

Russia will make noise, for a purpose, usually to get something they want. They know how to play there UN veto vote They have been doing it for years

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I don't see how russia is concerned all of a sudden when god knows how many enrichment type equipment they sold them..not to mention weapons in general....

reply to post by chrismarco


Easy come, easy go.

Russia was more then willing to sell the arms, they are an arms exporter after all, the as is the US. And least we forget, the US sold arms to Iraq.

This is the third time Russia has publicly came out against what Iran is doing. The last time Russia sent a stern warning to them over the new nose cones that they had on their shat-3 missiles. Russia knew that design was for a nuclear warhead and even Russia does not want them to have a nuclear weapon because they are CRAZY.

Russia will not back Iran unless something completely different drags them into the fight. Like nuclear fallout from Iran drifting over Russia.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
Sanctions to destroy the economy.

Countries are free to decide who they will and will not do business with.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
5th fleet a stones throw away.

Based in a soveregn country by treaty. By extension the Iranian navy is also a stones throw away so that sword works both ways.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
Aggressors on 3 sides on her borders threatening to bomb any day.

Those aggressors you refer to have aggressors on their borders as well.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
Proven history of attacking soverign nations for false reasons.

WMD's were found in Iraq according to wikileaks. The UN resolutions dealing with Iraq do not say they can have a small quantity - It says no quantity so the "false" part is not actually false.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
Ya ok, Iran is being aggressive.

Threatening to wipe Israel off the map is whats considered to be aggressive these days - check.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
Let me give you a example you can relate to sir.

Iran is handcuffed behind their back with 3 cops feeding it punches yelling `Dont resist`

Let me give you an example you can relate to sir.

All Germany wanted was breathing room.

Appeasement does not work.

Originally posted by chrismarco
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

I don't see how russia is concerned all of a sudden when god knows how many enrichment type equipment they sold them..not to mention weapons in general....

edit on 10-1-2012 by chrismarco because: (no reason given)

The latest round of enrichment is why Russia is upset. They werent told about it, and enrichment is the main issue on the nuke program.

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Do you have the source though? Instead of one of Iran's enemies saying this? Or even a Russian view of this?

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Russia 'worried' over Iran's nuclear ambitions

The Kremlin, which generally opposes Western attempts to tighten United Nations sanctions, criticised Iran for starting to enrich uranium at up to 20 per cent purity inside a previously secret plant. This facility, located at Fordow near the city of Qom, is buried beneath a mountainside and could be invulnerable to military attack.

A statement from the Russian foreign ministry said that Moscow has "with regret and worry received the news of the start of work on enriching uranium at the Iranian plant". Iran only declared Fordow to the International Atomic Energy Agency after the facility was discovered by western intelligence agencies. Russia was also kept in the dark – a fact that damaged the Kremlin's relations with Iran.

Dang... people's memories are so short... and I'm sure that's what Russia's counting on in making this statement. They're just mad that Iran won't need to buy it from them anymore!

This is from 2010:

articles.cnn.com...:WORLD

A top Iranian lawmaker defended his nation's right to enrich uranium in the future after Iran and Russia confirmed that Russians will start loading a nuclear reactor in the Islamic republic with fuel next week, Iranian media reported Saturday.

The August 21 arrival of fuel at the Bushehr facility, which Iran says will create atomic energy but other nations fear could be used for nuclear weapons, marks a key step toward its completion, Russia said.

The progress prompted the White House to question Iran continuing to enrich uranium within its borders, even as the project with Russia moves closer to completion.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
Sanctions to destroy the economy.

Countries are free to decide who they will and will not do business with.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
5th fleet a stones throw away.

Based in a soveregn country by treaty. By extension the Iranian navy is also a stones throw away so that sword works both ways.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
Aggressors on 3 sides on her borders threatening to bomb any day.

Those aggressors you refer to have aggressors on their borders as well.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
Proven history of attacking soverign nations for false reasons.

WMD's were found in Iraq according to wikileaks. The UN resolutions dealing with Iraq do not say they can have a small quantity - It says no quantity so the "false" part is not actually false.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
Ya ok, Iran is being aggressive.

Threatening to wipe Israel off the map is whats considered to be aggressive these days - check.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
Let me give you a example you can relate to sir.

Iran is handcuffed behind their back with 3 cops feeding it punches yelling `Dont resist`

Let me give you an example you can relate to sir.

All Germany wanted was breathing room.

Appeasement does not work.

Sure, countries are free to do what they like, unless they are allies of the US, than they bow down and bend over.
Please source the WMD in Iraq, if they were there, they sure as hell didn't know about it and lied about it to get support for that illegal war.
When did Iran threaten to wipe Israel off the map?
Iran is doing nothing, and asking nothing...please explain the Germany comparison...unless it was to further demonize Iran.

Originally posted by superman2012
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Do you have the source though? Instead of one of Iran's enemies saying this? Or even a Russian view of this?

I added an AP source to the op. The story is about 4 hours old from what im seeing so I will dig around to see if I can find non western media sources.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Threatening to wipe Israel off the map is whats considered to be aggressive these days - check.

I understand that you are quite versed in currents events abroad. We differ in opinion on a few things. As you wrote the above quote , you and I both know that statement is falsely reported , too bad . Watching the results coming in , I was looking forward to a debate, but if you are going to use BS propaganda as a source , I would rather clip my toenails.

Have a good night sir.

Originally posted by superman2012
Sure, countries are free to do what they like, unless they are allies of the US, than they bow down and bend over.

Not even close

Originally posted by superman2012
Please source the WMD in Iraq, if they were there, they sure as hell didn't know about it and lied about it to get support for that illegal war.

Iraq did have WMD's - New York post / wikileaks

Originally posted by superman2012
When did Iran threaten to wipe Israel off the map?

Which time? There are many threads on this site discussing that incident. The counter argument people make is he was mistranslated. The problem with that answer is Iranian state media was the source for the comment.

Originally posted by superman2012
Iran is doing nothing, and asking nothing...please explain the Germany comparison...unless it was to further demonize Iran.

It was to demonstrate that appeasement does not work. Countries tried diplomatic solutions with germany in hopes of avoiding war. Germany would do this, and European countries who werent affected said not my problem.

Appeasement does not work.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
I understand that you are quite versed in currents events abroad. We differ in opinion on a few things. As you wrote the above quote , you and I both know that statement is falsely reported , too bad . Watching the results coming in , I was looking forward to a debate, but if you are going to use BS propaganda as a source , I would rather clip my toenails.

Have a good night sir.

BS propoganda source? My OP never said anything about wiping Israel off the map. It deals with russia and their concrns overIrans enrichment activity.

Here are some facts about his comments regarding Israel though. This info has been debated here and elsewhere, and you can find more than enough info to amke your own mind up. Do I get to call your viewpoint on illegal war / WMD's in Iraq propoganda BS?


Date - October 2005
Source that reported - "Wipe Israel off the map"? - IRIB news (Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting).

Quoted by the IRIB -

Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world.