Gay marriage is a threat to humanity, claims Pope

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
Just a business decision in the name of 'marriage'.

edit on 14-7-2012 by Shadow Herder because: (no reason given)

Shadow Herder, meet marriage. Marriage, meet Shadow Herder. Marriage has been an institution of politics and arrangement since its inception. Why do we suddenly think that has changed in the last 100 years and that the majority of marriages are suddenly based on love and reproduction?

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

When you think hard about it you will notice that there is way too much emphasis on peoples sexual desires.

I'm not going to comment on internet pornography which I think it a whole other issue and, in my mind, is more of a 'male' issue than a sexuality based one. One just has to take a quick glance at the piles of irrelevant lesbian pornography to note that.

However, human hyper sexuality has got us through thousands of years where we could have easiy just become the panda or the dodo. The fact that humans think about sex so much has been a boon to the species. There was no golden age where persons paired up out of love and all held hands disney style instead of mating like rabbits. We've always mated like rabbits. In fact, it's only in the last many thousand years we've had enough 'other' things to do that didn't involve touching genitals together to state that most people have 'something better to do'.

We've been around for over 200, 000 years. Even if we say fixed civilization started around 30, 000 BCE ... that's still a lot of history that needs to be rewritten to claim that humans have never not been obsessed with sex. After a person has rewritten all that history they can begin linking homosexuality with it and then try to somehow claim that paedophilia will be somehow accepted because of this.

For that to become a reality ... many decades of research demonstrating the negative effects it has on children will need to be deleted or over come along with our theories regarding 'consent' which have taken a firm root in most of society at large.

The one thing i find amazing about all this is that our race has evolved to a point we're trying to turn ourselves off and become something else for better or worse. Turn off sex, turn off violence, turn off all the things we were born from and rewrite history to make our species out to be some kind of perfection that stepped on a wayward track for a few decades.

Originally posted by EricD

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Yeah, let's listen to the guy who looks like liberace's stunt double on what's wrong with the world.

Ok everyone, pack it in. This discussion is over. Tothetenthpower has noted that he thinks the Pope looks funny. Clearly that argument is pertinent, salient and inarguable. Truly the height of ATS argumentation.

Well done sir!

Eric

Ah, you quote only the first sentence, the "joke" in my post as a means to state that I had provided no argument for why the Pope is an old windbag that nobody should listen to?

There was more text at the bottom there. Perhaps it was TLDR for you, but next time you should probably take the time to do so and address the actual argument, as opposed to the very obvious joke made.



~Tenth

Sigh....
Jesus (the Messiah of us Christian believers,) was neither/is neither catholic nor protestant.
He was/is a Jew. He is the fulfillment of the Mosaic law handed down by GOD to Moses.
The Mosaic law is a covenant law/relationship.
Like it or not, GOD deems specific things unholy.
The good news is, His yes and no/right and wrong/good and bad are bound up in a covenant.
What I mean to say here is, the 'Law' that everyone speaks about here (i.e homosexuality a sin, etc) is bound up in a covenant relationship, ie a 2 way contract.
You are not oblided to follow this law if you do not wish to do so! You are completely free to live and pursue your life however you choose!
IF however, you choose and desire to follow the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, Jacon and Jesus, you are expected to abide by certain rules and regulations that reflect the HOLINESS of GOD.
NOONE is making you follow these rules. These 'RULES' apply only to those who choose to bind themselves to this covenant of GOD ('You will be My people and I will be your GOD').
If you don't like it, don't pursue it!
If you choose to follow and pursue GOD in a covenant relationship with Him, do what He commands. Otherwise, you are outside of the Law. GOD's requirements are laid on those that choose to follow Him.

All behaviours will be judged by the righteous requirements of GOD either within or outside of His law anyway.
If you choose to pursue Him, act in such a way. If you don't...He doesn't expect you to, but you will still reap what you sow by the nature of natural law as opposed to covenant law.
CHOICE is a bitterly wonderful thing before and after hindsight.

reply to post by Lucius Driftwood


I love how you say this as if it's the absolute truth. Dude, it's just a belief system. Just because it's written in a book, it doesn't mean that's proof the belief system is real. I happen to believe that God doesn't give a hoot if we eat a ham sandwich, get a tattoo, have sex during menstruation, or enter into a loving, monogamous, gay relationship. I think God simply wants us to be nice to each other and get along. I can't prove that, but you can't prove what you say either. But my belief system is a lot less judgmental, which to me - makes more sense, and is much more pleasant than to believe that a really nice guy who eats pork is going to burn in hell for eternity (or be subjected to "natural law", whatever that means).

reply to post by kaylaluv


How do you define what a nice guy is? How are you sure your conditions and requirements are the correct definition of nice? And how come everyone around the world seems to be so incapable of being so nice?
Don't say 'it's because of religion'. There are plenty of people with no faith who can be nasty.
To what degree can we choose to be nice?
If you don't like the restrictions on your lifestyle choices, don't pursue that religion/faith/path.
No-one is making you.
To put it another way, every 'club' has its rules and restrictions.