I cried watching this. Americans and NATO bombing babies, Every human much watch. Spread It!

This is a time where I wish the T&C allowed cursing because this is just a shame. I can't put to words the disgust and just angry emotion I'm feeling after watching that. And takes it even further that I'm going to sleep wake up work and repeat. I feel like the blood is on my hands as well as every citizen of the united states of Earth aka HUMANITY.

I mean really how cruel, how subhuman. I can't raise a kid here, are you ******** me??

This is why I can't be around people, this is why I feel alone, this is why I hate so many things that are popular. Because this system divides and conquers and yet use terms such as "melting pot" as if this system creates cohesion.

Honestly, I want to see RP win and do all the right things for humanity and this country. But, sometimes I can't see it. I see the system twisting every politician that ever, at least seemed, to have any potential and I just don't see what we need to get done.

At this point, I truly believe it is in the hands of the people. If we don't make the change we can't count on this system to do it for us anymore. The key to unlock the chains of this system is with us, for better or for worse.

S&F thank you OP you given me some deep insight to many things

We elect our government to govern our affairs, not rule us. I believe No Government should have the absolute power to attack and kill people of the world. That a decision to kill others should be determined by the people. What's a more important issue on any of our ballots that could possibly be more important than killing people? I want my vote counted.

I've watched this video and several like it, and I've come to realize that I am very much ASHAMED to be an American. As a citizen of this country, I publicly CONDEMN the actions of my government. Just look at every one of the explosions in this video. The amount of destruction is absolutely uncalled for. Do you realize how many people must have died in some of the bigger ones? I thought we were "liberating" the people of these countries.

Well I guess we are... if you consider DEATH a form of liberation... 1,500,000 people... DEAD!!! I'm sorry, did you not read that right... 1,500,000 (ONE MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND)... PEOPLE!!!!

I am ashamed because I was born and raised in a country where I am FREE. I have the right to CHOOSE my leaders... The leaders of my country represent ME... They represent YOU... They represent the people of AMERICA!!!!!!!! Our hard work pays for those bombs, it pays for those missiles, and it pays for those bullets. When our country decides to go to war, we are supposed to make that decision TOGETHER. We act as one. We are the "United" States Of America. That is how the rest of the world views us, and it's exactly how they're supposed to view us.

But we have lost control of our government. When was the last time any one of us got to vote on a real issue that was going to affect this country as a whole? Did you vote to pass Obama Care? Did anyone ask you if you wanted to arm and assist Al-Qaeda rebels in killing Gaddafi and taking over Libya? Did you get a vote? Did any of you decide that destroying and then rebuilding all these countries was worthy of a payroll deduction?

Of course not. Yet here we are, and it makes me sick to think that my leaders are supposedly acting on my behalf. How did we become so subdued?

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One person said it all....ignorance is bliss...!!! The thing here is this, some of these radical countries and anti-western civilization countries actually have their women and children become suicide bombers or carry ak47s or the men will use the women and children as human shields. I've seen all instances first hand. I understand compassion to a degree but sometimes there's no point in distinction. There has been war since humans started keeping records. It's never going to end and all the leaders of all the countries will never sit down and hash out their problems, therefore war is a necessity for survival or power or whatever cliche' statement you want to come up with.

The mainstream media in the US pick and choose what they want to show and who they are going to blame the problems on thus informing our citizens who they should point their anger and disgust at. It's ridiculous and it's a shame.....but it happens everyday. Therefore, seeing propaganda clips like this has done exactly what it was intended to do...stir up the liberals and socialists in search for pity. Maybe some 'home" tapes from our military showing 6 and 7 year old boys asking for MRE's in Afghanistan and then detonating their bombs, killing or badly injuring a US soldier would cause the media and all the people that feel sorry for "innocent victims" to have a change of heart? Those videos will never get airtime though, it's not on the agenda for the powers that be.

If you want to cry over this video, read some history. Pick a war and you can find about as graphic and disgusting atrocities you can imagine that were "wartime acts." Look up some of the Vietnamese torture tactics and then I think a tear could be shed....until then... war is war and people die but you should present both sides when you present a video such as this....that way the readers and some of the less knowledgeable war ATS subscribers aren't left with only a one sided impression.....But hey, what do I know...as I'm now on this site in search for the truth...and I will say this site is quite impressive and informative in a lot of areas. Sorry I disagree with this particular video clip.

First off, its obvi propaganda by the muslims; just look it the writing. Second wat you dont know any many cuz 1 percent served over there.. is fathers use to push their daughters in front of us or nato convoys to get 10000 for benefits if we hit a person by accident and killed them, they are sick the whole country and laws. War brings casualities its sad, but for a larger cause.

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I'm ashamed that I had to read your remark as a fellow US citizen. I must ask before I rip into you and tell you that this country provides you this freedom as well....pack your things and exit...but I will ask...have you ever served in the military???? Have you ever seen first hand what takes place or do you watch video clips and condemn???

american's are mindles war mongering stupid people. 1/2 are too f#$% lazy to lift their asses to do anything and the other 1/2 act like animals. Mindless murderers. obama and his goons is worse than Hitler. He at least did what he did cause he had a vision for a better world. The monkey king and his baboons do it for bloodlust. his the Fu### antichrist himself.

Originally posted by funkymonky
american's are mindles war mongering stupid people. 1/2 are too f#$% lazy to lift their asses to do anything and the other 1/2 act like animals. Mindless murderers. obama and his goons is worse than Hitler. He at least did what he did cause he had a vision for a better world. The monkey king and his baboons do it for bloodlust. his the Fu### antichrist himself.

The true mark of ignorance is when all are lumped in together. It is like saying all blacks are bad. Also when you questions others intelligence it is a good idea to use spelling software at the very least

someones jealous they cant be an american, i learned in most countries they are envious of us , thats why some countries"hate" us,, they wish they could be like us..end of story

Originally posted by marsoc
someones jealous they cant be an american, i learned in most countries they are envious of us , thats why some countries"hate" us,, they wish they could be like us..end of story

I hate to tell you but the envy bit is getting a little old. I have argued with many other non Americans over many issues and envy is not the root cause.


We are not alone in this world and your views are 1980s at best.

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Dude are you kidding? They hate us because they envy us and want to be like us? That's like an even more absurd spin on the "they hate us for our freedoms" excuse. :shk:

I'm sure them hating us has to do with our government policing the world, recklessly bombing countries and killing countless civilians, and overthrowing elected governments and installing pro-US leaders. But maybe your right, it could be that, or the "they like us so they hate us" thing.

Originally posted by neo96
This thread is one of the biggest jokes i have ever read on here cry for Libya?

How many bleeding hearts shed a tear for those who died in the lockerbee bombing come on now where are those tears?

Oh never mind carry on with the Anti American Great satan thread.

EXACTLY!!!! Being from the USA also provides you disgruntled, anti-war, anti-government, anti-everything that doesn't go your way people the opportunity to pack your sh*t and get move to, let's say Libya, or Iran...I think that's where you should go!! I'm sure we'll be bombing a neighborhood near you there soon....

You anti-Americans should be ashamed of yourselves. You're not part of any solution...you are the problem. Watch what happens now that we are reducing our military to less than 500 thousand...as you socialists wanted...maybe you'll shed a tear when China drops a nuc on your city.... blahhhhhh ugh

Originally posted by funkymonky
american's are mindles war mongering stupid people. 1/2 are too f#$% lazy to lift their asses to do anything and the other 1/2 act like animals. Mindless murderers. obama and his goons is worse than Hitler. He at least did what he did cause he had a vision for a better world. The monkey king and his baboons do it for bloodlust. his the Fu### antichrist himself.

And what NATO country do you belong to?
Learn to communicate without vulgarity young man.

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Rip away buddy.
I can tell you that I tried several times to join every branch of the military, I would've been proud to "defend" my country. But thank God I was denied every time. I consider it a blessing in disguise. I hate to think what would have become of me had I been accepted.
And by the way, I don't consider what we have here "freedom" anymore.

Oh btw i have not a seconds sympathy with a soldier. they deserve to die or be injured. you are there because you WANT TO BE THERE. You live in a free country and decide to go to war. go invade a other country. you could do something else you did not had to go to the force and still can choose. I did not had that luxury. Where i live military service was compulsory. it was army or military jail no trail, and punishment with a good change of dying or be maimed before the jail time is over. They forced me into situations but I still had no choice about shooting at others that did me no harm, I however had the choice to shoot to kill or shoot and miss or instead of killing someone shoot him in the leg or arm - wounding him/her. So all i can say to all you american soldiers out there die and go to hell where you belong.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by xavi1000
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Anti american propaganda ?

why there is not Anti - Swedish propaganda ? Ask yourself .Or Anti- Japan propaganda ?

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See my post where CONGRESS is filing a lawsuit against a nutty POTUS. Someone here just posted that Americans are evil. So all Americans must be evil because of an out of control guy in the WH and a bunch of leftist radicals running amok.

You'e kind of left leaning too aren't you? left leaners are always saying how horrible America is, all the evil war, and yet Democrat Presidents always seem to get us into bad situations. JFK and the Cuban missile crisis, FDR and WWII, Carter and the Iran hostage crisis, Clinton in Kosovo, Obama in Libya. Wanna explain this?


Then there's this little bit about Turkey joining NATO

Turkey says its demands have been met concerning international military intervention in Libya, meaning that NATO can now take charge of the operation. The Muslim government approved the move but only if certain conditions were met.
Turkey's parliament Thursday approved sending a naval force off Libya as the Islamist-rooted government moved reluctantly to join military action in the conflict-torn country despite anger at Western-led air raids.
Following harsh criticism of the strikes, the government asked parliament to approve the dispatch of military forces, pledging a submarine, four frigates and an auxiliary ship to a NATO patrol mission to enforce a UN arms embargo against Moamer Kadhafi's regime.

www.france24.com...


But the US is always still the evil Satan...yes that's a bunch of crappy propaganda. The radical Left use it every time.

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But can you not understand where we come from? You have painted yourself a picture that America is the ultimate free state with "real" democracy.... power to the people, all that kind of crap.
Still, if the people have the power, why the hell are you not opposing all the destruction commit on OTHER countries by YOUR government.

You're supposed to be the people who put the people in charge who are in charge, or... when you're not satisfied with those in charge, reponsible for replacing them.

And when you fail at that, we kinda start losing faith in you. You seem like you are as unhappy with killing people in other countries, but you're not doing anything about it. We get the impression that you just shrug your shoulders and go about your business... and only complain if you lose your house etc, when in fact you should start worrying about the ridiculous amount of money you put into killing the people of the world. Money that could be better spent at home.

In fact, when all comes down to it, we don't hate you because you kill people of the world, we know it's your government who's doing that BUT, we hate you because with all that so-called power you have, the general impression one gets of Americans is that you are pretty much all inconsiderate bastards.

Stop cleaning up the world, and start cleaning up your home instead. Start with all the god damn pocket politicians who are not doing what you the people wants and instead nods at every legislation making it easier for companies to build and sell weapons or making it easier for money people to make money of the average Joe.

THINGS IN YOUR COUNTRY WILL NOT BECOME BETTER BY CLEANING UP THE WORLD.... end of story.

For clarification:
I live in a NATO country, and I strongly oppose what they've been doing. I think it's awful... revolution or not.
I have also made both opinion clear to both my own government and the American embassy.
In fact I wrote the foreign minister and told him to distance himself from the ridiculous things going on in the Persian Sea and some days later he actually stood on national tv and said that Denmark will NOT contribute with soldiers or material in case American attacks Iran. I won't be so naive to think that it was my email that made the difference, but that doesn't matter, what matters is that he made that move and I respect him for that.

Wars are for those who can't balance a budget.

Originally posted by funkymonky
Oh btw i have not a seconds sympathy with a soldier. they deserve to die or be injured. you are there because you WANT TO BE THERE. You live in a free country and decide to go to war. go invade a other country. you could do something else you did not had to go to the force and still can choose. I did not had that luxury. Where i live military service was compulsory. it was army or military jail no trail, and punishment with a good change of dying or be maimed before the jail time is over. They forced me into situations but I still had no choice about shooting at others that did me no harm, I however had the choice to shoot to kill or shoot and miss or instead of killing someone shoot him in the leg or arm - wounding him/her. So all i can say to all you american soldiers out there die and go to hell where you belong.

You cannot be real. I cannot even wrap my mind around this disgusting and asinine rhetoric.

Originally posted by mrgregbusybee

Originally posted by neo96
This thread is one of the biggest jokes i have ever read on here cry for Libya?

How many bleeding hearts shed a tear for those who died in the lockerbee bombing come on now where are those tears?

Oh never mind carry on with the Anti American Great satan thread.

EXACTLY!!!! Being from the USA also provides you disgruntled, anti-war, anti-government, anti-everything that doesn't go your way people the opportunity to pack your sh*t and get move to, let's say Libya, or Iran...I think that's where you should go!! I'm sure we'll be bombing a neighborhood near you there soon....

You anti-Americans should be ashamed of yourselves. You're not part of any solution...you are the problem. Watch what happens now that we are reducing our military to less than 500 thousand...as you socialists wanted...maybe you'll shed a tear when China drops a nuc on your city.... blahhhhhh ugh

I hate to tell you but by your standards Thomas Jefferson would have been part of your so called problem. I bet you think you are a patriot for your views I hate to to you that you are no patriot.




We need all sides and all sides have the right to freely express themselves.

Originally posted by funkymonky
american's are mindles war mongering stupid people. 1/2 are too f#$% lazy to lift their asses to do anything and the other 1/2 act like animals. Mindless murderers. obama and his goons is worse than Hitler. He at least did what he did cause he had a vision for a better world. The monkey king and his baboons do it for bloodlust. his the Fu### antichrist himself.

You must be from Pakistan or some third world country. 3/4 of Americans disagree with Obama and what he has done or better yet, what he hasn't done. As far as calling us mindless (2 s' for future spelling) stupid people, maybe you should sit back and determine why it is you feel that way. Was it daddy issues or mommy issues or possibly because you come from an area where your government promotes dictatorship or maybe even no government so you live day-to-day. I actually feel sorry for you that you have no idea what "most" Americans believe and hope for.

Or it could be your just a racist. If you believe Hitler had a vision for a better world, you are definitely ignorant. I suggest you read some history on Hitler, Stalin...hell pick any Nazi leader from that time. But I've wasted my time with this response because you're obviously a person that can not be talked to in a manner that is enlightening...oh well.....

Originally posted by insaan

Originally posted by SupersonicSerpent
It is the cowardly Taliban fault hiding in between their women and children.they go about planting IEDS then think they can run to safety blending in with women and children.does a terrorist take time to check there is no women and children about before he detonates him self.this is a war and people die.Libya is a prime example it asked for our help to defeat gadafi then started crying when a few people near the targets was killed.

1. "Cowardly Taliban" is not right, "courageous Taliban" is more like it. I disagree with the Taliban in different issues, but that doesn't give me the right to call them cowards. They are fighting the world's most powerful forces using home made bombs, outdated AK47s and outdated RPGs. I don't see how they are cowards, running away from a drone is not cowardly, it is smart.

2. "This is a war, people die". People die, or people get killed? Who started the war by the way? I'm sure Afghanistan didn't wage a war against America? Am I right? Or am I reading history incorrectly.

3. Libya never asked for your help, US agents did, the same agents who tried to topple the Libyan Government in 1990s but failed. Do some research please, you've a lot of catching up to do.

The Taliban aren't those the guys that behead or shoot women in public for wanting an education!!!

It's very easy to make a video of bombs being drop then show a hospital with injured children that doesn't mean the 2 are connected thats what lame about this.

Also for anyone from the middle east that lives in the west ie USA , UK , FRANCE , GERMANY etc etc if you are not happy go back and live in the middle east it's that simple!