I cried watching this. Americans and NATO bombing babies, Every human much watch. Spread It!

Originally posted by Sablicious
Nope. It means those who cannot analyse a situation objectively for being blinded by their innate emotive response. The video in question is patently designed to play on peoples' emotions. In your case, and others', it worked.

I realize the term is subjective, but it's another word that gets used as a pejorative, like the word "liberal." It's simply a way to insult those who show empathy.

Originally posted by Sablicious
No matter how valid a point the footage may have had going for it, the very fact it was obviously more concerned with being a mawkish montage that garners sympathy by coaxing viewers to snub their logical processes, renders it null propaganda.

It's a dose of reality designed to wake everyone up from their desensitized slumber.

Originally posted by Sablicious
Dunno. But anyone infected with fundamentalist ideology, who comes under that banner of 'uneducated', 'disenfranchised' and / or 'vulnerable' has a better than average chance of becoming thus.

You don't know if a 4 year old is a terrorist? Also, how do you know what their ideaology is? Do you even know what country this is in?

Originally posted by Sablicious
You see the "evil"

Evil are the war profiteers who profit off of death and encourage war to do so.

Originally posted by Sablicious
the West has afforded you and I allows us to, for example, have open discussions on the Internet without fear of the secret police knocking down our doors any second and carting us off for an all expenses paid weekend (or life) at the luxurious Torture Tavern. It also allows us to freely demonstrate if we do not agree with the status quo without the risk of being squashed by tanks or head shot by snipers. Indeed, it lets our females strut around, displaying more skin than a pig carcass in a butcher shop window, without fear of being whipped, raped or even worse.

I see what you're getting at. But let me reiterate: not quite.

Really, without fear? Then what's up with SOPA, NDAA, and The Patriot Act? If they want you gone, you're gone, and it's legal for them to do so. So I wouldn't be so quick to take these things for granted anymore...

Furthermore, you mentioned the term "Torture Tavern." Then what is Guantamo exactly? And why do we assasinate people without trying them first?

Originally posted by Zmboop
reply to post by TupacShakur

 

Ron Paul is a lunatic if he thinks he can shut down every military base overseas, we'd lose allies, money and power.

We'd lose allies because we left our bases overseas? Do you think these countries really want us stationed in their backyard??


You're correct about the "power" and "money." We would lose power, but we'd gain respect....

reply to post by Propulsion


Sadder still, any American President that would implement so many extreme (though good) idea's would never survive a term. Way too much money to be lost.

WOW... just WOW.... its discusting how everybody turns a blind eye to these things and shouts USA, USA ... there dropping bombs on cities, so you cant say we didnt know their were civilians their.... im not following the U.S elections but I did see one debate when Ron Paul turned and " what are we doing in these countries" and he was right, spreading peace is not killing people and the more this happens the more people and countries are going to dig their heels in and join forces against the big bully. I seen a video yesterday where the Iranian people were chanting death to USA, death to English, i mean wouldnt anybody do the same thing if someone was dropping bombs in your village, town.......

Originally posted by Praetorius
reply to post by seiva7

 

I will leave it primarily to the hypothetical I already gave, but I'm willing to give one highly-unpopular example, just for fun (

) - the Iraq insurgency.

Regardless, history is rife with plenty of examples of justified aggression against abusers and invaders. Sadly, we of late tend to be all too often on the wrong side of such judgements.

OK, i agree.

but defending your country/homeland hardly can be called aggression don't you think...

1. Target a non- western country

2. Bomb it. Kill lots of people, destroy cities, spread chaos, steal their resources. Make the next generation hate your guts because of it.

3. Bomb it again, after all they hate you (they're insane fundamentalists) and they're so dangerous because they have WMD's (also known as AK-47's).

4. Repeat the process until there are no more resources to steal and no more people to kill.

5. Go to 1

The 5 fundamental steps of modern democracy

Originally posted by Prokofiev
1. Target a non- western country

2. Bomb it. Kill lots of people, destroy cities, spread chaos, steal their resources. Make the next generation hate your guts because of it.

3. Bomb it again, after all they hate you (they're insane fundamentalists) and they're so dangerous because they have WMD's (also known as AK-47's).

4. Repeat the process until there are no more resources to steal and no more people to kill.

5. Go to 1

edit on 10-1-2012 by Prokofiev because: (no reason given)

1. Make alot of money from it.
2. Have the MSM ignore it, and cover something else to divert everyones attention away from it.
3. Wait a little while and claim it was a positive decision that liberated an oppressed group of people.
4. Chill on your yacht....or something

reply to post by SupersonicSerpent

now the Taliban is almost defeated you see men with shaved beards women wearing make up.

Shaved beards and women wearing make up... christ man, who gives a crap about that BS. Some of the kindest men I know have beards and the most beautiful women don't need to wear make up. You're basically saying "look at the American way overtake their normal way of doing things". As long as they aren't partaking in terrorism it shouldn't matter how they want to live their lives. They don't need to be 'liberated', they don't need the all mighty USA to come in and help free them, or help change their ways, they need to be left alone and the war needs to stop.

I don't even bother trying to discuss the morals of war with people anymore. It's completely useless. There are some people who have an endless blood lust. Humans wont stop fighting for a very long time, and it brings me great sadness to know that. I wish we had the maturity and wisdom to move past the petty conflicts and avoid the mass suffering, but we continue to be puppeteered by our Governments and led to MURDER men and women from other nations because of money and oil and other completely ridiculous reasons. I just watch the terror from the sideline hoping one day I don't get hit with some stray shrapnel.

reply to post by DestroyDestroyDestroy


Wow, I could not have envisioned a more eloquent post. This absolutely summarized my thoughts and feelings on the whole "Western World" vs. "Middle East" in very concise and intelligent way!

Nothing else to add to the thread now, except Thanx!

reply to post by predator0187


HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE COMPLETELY MAD???

THIS IS MADNESS!

This thread seems to be a good place to go and get a good hate-on.!.


We should put ALL of the "Warmongerers" on an island somewhere and let THEM duke it out to the death.



Oh right, they (All of them!) don't like to get their hands dirty.

Pure madness!

Originally posted by SupersonicSerpent
Libya is a prime example it asked for our help to defeat gadafi then started crying when a few people near the targets was killed.

What a load of BS. It was NOT Libya that asked for NATO to come and bomb it; NATO members invoked "responsibility to protect" an extremist minority willing to take out Ghaddafi.

But I guess in your twisted mind, the Libyan's are to blame for NATO bombing them because you somehow believe that they are such a backwards people that they would beg for war upon them. People like you make me sick.

Ignorance is bliss indeed

Originally posted by Jace26
reply to post by predator0187

 

Yes it is in human nature to fight, but America is not human, America is evil. How can they do this?
Over 1.5 million Iraqis killed by Americans in the past decade, a bit of an overreaction to 9/11 if you ask me.
Then you see American soldiers with tatoos of "Never Forget 9/11" etc, well to be honest Americans brought 9/11 onto themselves from repeatedly bombing these countries.
Torture of innocents in Abu Ghraib, millions of Iraqi women and children raped, team kill squadrons, murdering families then placing weapons on their bodies.
Oh yes, America makes me proud!

Jesus Christ, man! If you're going off on emotional rants, at least make an attempt to get you time lines straight for the cause and effect you're attempting to rant and rave about!

You'll be glad you did!

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by intrptr

 

Another great choice! I thought of that one as well and think about this,the mainstream quite often demonizes black sabbath and iron maiden and calls them devil worshippers,well,after reading their profound anti-war lyrics,we know why and I know who the real devil worshippers are...

Yah, your choice from Iron maiden was cool too. Thats what made me think Sabbath.

WIKI WAR PIGS

War Pigs" is a song by British heavy metal band Black Sabbath from their 1970 album Paranoid. It is generally understood that the song is a protest against the Vietnam War; however, when the band played "War Pigs" live in the mid-1970s, scenes from World War II were projected for audiences.

I remember when that album came out. My parents freaked when I bought it and began blasting it in my room. I never really understood it back then, but surely am glad to have it now. It was released 42 years ago and is as timeless true today.

So you got to wonder, what really goes on in those private rooms where the generals meet to lay their plans? I have seen Generals in news reels, testify before senate hearings and stand background in speeches. Never have I seen footage with sound that shows us what they say to each other about planning for war.

Do they worship the devil like they show in stuff like Bohemian Grove or are they just really dupes themselves? Cold hearted mindless Dogs Of War. Dunno...

reply to post by ChaoticOrder

but we continue to be puppeteered by our Governments and led to MURDER men and women from other nations because of money and oil and other completely ridiculous reasons.

Most Iranians and Americans are not interested in conflict, our governments certainly do not have our best interests at heart. Also, profits at the expense of life is not something good guys get involved in.

America was always loved by the world because of its freedom and good morals, now these attributes must be restored for the love of all that's good.

please stop the wars, please



please

reply to post by predator0187


I want to watch the clip you posted, but I just cant bring myself to watch it... I acknowlege that my country does horrific things on a pretty consistent basis and it makes me sick... If this is a clip of babies dying, I honestly dont need to see this, the title alone says it all... Some will call it collateral damage, I call it shameful murder....

Originally posted by cornucopia
please stop the wars, please



please

The wars will only stop when those who scream for war get off their asses and kill themselves all off so the rest of us get on with our lives.

Honestly, sometimes I wish I was back in medieval times when there was such a thing as chivalry. The warmongers back then at least lead the charge into battle and actually tasted the blood that they spilt. I think some warmonger politicians would probably cringe if they saw a real blood spillage in front of them.

there are other forces at work here......... www.groundzeromedia.org...

USA the great devil? Yes.

This video really makes me hate my country.