Deputy Leader of UK calls Scots Extremists

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Now, I am not disbelieving you, but I have read the Scottish Government website, the SAAS website and the website for Edinburgh University and they all say tuition fees are paid for by the Scottish Government. Now, eligibility varies, but largely covers whether your studying outside of Scotland.

I have yet to see any evidence that the Scottish Government claws back the fees at a later date. I still believe you're confusing all the other bills associated with Uni with Tuition fees.

Originally posted by stumason
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Now, I am not disbelieving you, but I have read the Scottish Government website, the SAAS website and the website for Edinburgh University and they all say tuition fees are paid for by the Scottish Government. Now, eligibility varies, but largely covers whether your studying outside of Scotland.

I have yet to see any evidence that the Scottish Government claws back the fees at a later date. I still believe you're confusing all the other bills associated with Uni with Tuition fees.

When I was at Uni (in Edinburgh) SAAS gave me £4250 towards my studies and living.... at that time £1050 was deducted for tuition fees and I received the rest split over 4 years (3 terms each)... This was in 1999 however. It has changed now so you don't need to pay it back unless you are studying at Uni outside Scotland.

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We can't sort out the issues with the tram line (yes, one of them) in Edinburgh, how are we supposed to run our own country? Is it worth the risk attempting it?

What would the benefits be for independence? I have a nice house, free healthcare, a good job which pays (relatively) well... I have worked hard to get where I am today, but it's our Government which has helped get me here by giving me the tools to do so...

I'm proud to be Scottish, but proud to be British too... There is room to be both and we really don't require independence.....

Originally posted by alldaylong

Originally posted by trustnothing
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I completely agree they are getting desperate, cant wait for an independent Scotland, we dont need Westminster or the City of London any more

edit on 9-1-2012 by trustnothing because: (no reason given)

As an Englishman i will be glad when Scotland becomes independent. The English can then stop subsidising Scotland. Then you can see how much Scotland needs Westminster:-

www.moneywise.co.uk...

Oh but they have the North Sea oil reserves and a very good army dont you know?!?!?!?

I would be delighted to split from Scotland and Wales, give Northern Ireland back to the Irish and see what happens. My bet is that within 10 years they'd all be back with their begging bowls asking Westminster to help them out.

All these tirades I hear from the Scots about independence, crack on chaps, lets see what happens.

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by all means, we dont need scotland as part of the UK, stand on your own two feet we know you can do it!

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As a Burns I am all for an independent Scotland, Nick Clegg is a TIT!!!

FREEDOM!!!!

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Maybe it's changed now. I did graduate over 6 years ago. I certainly continue to pay fees, they appear on my Student Loans statement as tuition fees. My folks actually paid my 1st year in cash as when when i matriculated. Can't even find info on when they became free.

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You will have to forgive me but I am clueless about the state of affairs over this myself. I saw in the news only recently that Scotland wants to declare independence. Does that mean from the UK? I thought Scotland was already a free and independent Nation. Am I wrong? Is it a commonwealth perhaps?

I know that Jamaica is moving forward with changing or updating there constitution to separate from the Monarchy. Is this the same scenario?

let me shed some light on the fee situation , both scotland and england students pay fees !

in scotland its slightly different , in England the fees are a loan and are paid back after education when earning over the threshold of income ! This year going forward its £21,000.

Behind the scenes the government pays a portion of the fees to the Universities which the students dont see or is published in the press!

In scotland students are given a grant for fees as long as they meet the criteria !

My mum works for edinburgh Uni as the finance manager and scottish students are subsidised by the government, with a grant , however she mentioned there are other fees which the government pay that the student doesnt even know about ! I have to ask her for clarification on that one !

Hang on a minute I just realised Nick clegg is trying to get us scots classified as extremists so that they can then build a fence around scotland and ground all air traffic and declare us enemies of the state.

Cage us all up like the romans did !

independence he'll ge his comeuppance ! , I'll independently kick him in the nuts that will show
him some scottish extremism !

he's got a #e hair do!

Fees shmees!

The OP asked if he is an extremist for wanting an independent Scotland.

Answer:


Hell no! Of course not!

Well, if i'm an extremeist for wanting to be a nation, then an extremeist i shall be.

Watch this, they'll start calling us 'terrorists' pretty soon.

This is what i say to Clegg the smegg;

Well, the things we all agree on, I think.

Nick Clegg is a complete and utter twat.
David Cameron is also a complete and utter twat.
Everybody dislikes the Londoncentricism(?) that exists at present.
We do have much in common.
Not many people listened during history lessons at school.
What they taught us in history lessons at school was largely irrelevant or innacurate.
No-one's quite sure who pays for what in Scottish universities.
Swearing at people on ATS isn't nice.

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Regionalisation is playing into the EU's hands Freeborn, you should know that!

Not necessarily mate.
It hasn't in Switzerland.

We renounce EU membership.
We introduce radical reform of local, regional and national electoral and parliamentary procedures delivering real power and influence to the people through direct democracy within a federal framework.

Alas....it's not going to happen though.

What about an English Parliament not in London? Perhaps Winchester, or Birmingham? Don't forget though, seeing as you worry about marginalisation, that some 20% of the population live in London alone and even more in the surrounding counties, so there will always be an element of "London" first.

Exactly.
Which is why it's irrelevant where an English parliament is situated it will always be London biased and most probably always Tory dominated.
And the truth is that The Tories have never done anything for N.E. England and they never will.

It might even be worthwhile considering throwing in our lot with an independant Scotland!

I hate it to, mind, I work with Londoners and it is shocking the amount they don't know about life outside London or in fact that there is any life at all!

I know and have worked with many Londoners.
The odd one has been ok but as a general rule of thumb I find I have very little time for them and next to nothing in common.
And you are correct, they are incredibly insular in their outlook.

Maybe England should declare independence from London?

If that was a realistic option then I would agree with it 100%.

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Why do northerners have such a chip on their shoulder about southerners?

It's not so much Southerners per se but rather the arrogance and ignorance of the majority of Londoners and those pompous arses from the Home Counties etc....I'm sure you know the sorts we mean!

This thread sucks tbh.

You Englishmen this and typical English that.!!! its a joke come on guys what century do we live in. we cant even get along on the same damned island never mind our foreign relations.
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Iv not noticed any English on here spouting " Typical Scotsman or Coming from a Scotsman ".

Racists to our own blood we are, things have got that bad.

I am ashamed to be even human at times.

I'm half Scottish/half English(living in England) and as far as I can tell, Scotland have never had it better politically. You guys up there have the security of England supporting you with the independence of your own Parliament. I'm pretty sure themajority of Scots will feel this way too.

BTW, on topic, Nick Clegg is a tosser. Ignore him, he will go away eventually...

Originally posted by Flint2011
You will have to forgive me but I am clueless about the state of affairs over this myself. I saw in the news only recently that Scotland wants to declare independence. Does that mean from the UK? I thought Scotland was already a free and independent Nation. Am I wrong? Is it a commonwealth perhaps?

Scotland is, I suppose, akin to a State in the US. It is part of the greater Union but is largely self Governing with minimal input from Westminster. This is different to Wales, which is largely subserviant to English law and England, which ironically doesn't have it's own Parliament and it's laws are also voted on Scots and Welsh MP's... A wierd scenario and difficult to explain clearly to an "outsider", pardon the turn of phrase.

Originally posted by Flint2011
I know that Jamaica is moving forward with changing or updating there constitution to separate from the Monarchy. Is this the same scenario

Now, Jamaica is an independant country, but it still has the Queen as Head of State, so is technically a Contitutional Monarchy. There is some fluttering from the current PM to change to a Republic, but this isn't the first time it has been touted and isn't a sure fire thing. Many Jamaicans, according to polls that is, given the poor state of affairs there want the UK back in charge to sort it out.

They are, currently, the same as Oz and Canada. Independant countries, but they have a Queen who happens to also be our Queen.

Originally posted by Freeborn
Not necessarily mate.
It hasn't in Switzerland.

Indeed and you know well I tried to get some traction on starting a movement, but it died a death. I would be willing to get it going again, but recruiting is hard as ATS forbids it and most "normal" people are apathetic, at best and at worst, totally ignorant.

Originally posted by Freeborn
We renounce EU membership.
We introduce radical reform of local, regional and national electoral and parliamentary procedures delivering real power and influence to the people through direct democracy within a federal framework.

Alas....it's not going to happen though.

Dude, preaching to the choir! We can certainly try to force change, but it's hard work and people don't like hard work... Again, I would be willing to re-invigorate our "movement" however...

Originally posted by Freeborn
Exactly.
Which is why it's irrelevant where an English parliament is situated it will always be London biased and most probably always Tory dominated.
And the truth is that The Tories have never done anything for N.E. England and they never will.

It might even be worthwhile considering throwing in our lot with an independant Scotland!

Good lord man, don't think like that! What we should be concentrating on in the first instance is getting us the fudge out of the EU, or at least re-patriate powers. Once we have that nailed, we can then sort out our internal issues. After all, London has their Mayor and the GLA, so regional Government can work, but the reason it failed last time (it was quite well publicised down here btw and many wished the "experiment" of you guys would work as we fancied a bit ourselves) was it didn't address the many layers of Government and would have been a beaurocratic cluster fudge.

Originally posted by Freeborn
It's not so much Southerners per se but rather the arrogance and ignorance of the majority of Londoners and those pompous arses from the Home Counties etc....I'm sure you know the sorts we mean!

I think it's mainly Londoners. I live and work in Berkshire (a Home County and a Royal one no less) and we certainly don't look down on your Northern types. In fact, I work with two Yorkshireman, a Manc and a Scot, amongst others. The worse though for being insular is, as I have said, the Londoners, which makes for very interesting debates on a night shift!

Nick Clegg has a yellow streak runniung through him SO think its unreal.
I lost all respect for him when he sides with the Torries.

I am Scottish, and I would love an independant Scotland.