Living off the grid in a hurry.

i would put decorative spikes on my door so no one knocks and a door bell that's just for show like the crosswalk buttons at intersections that don't actually work.

if they take you so what. take a book, relax on your cot and wait for the zombies to come.

beats working.

reply to post by Mach5


They'll lock up subscribers to ATS first. We better run.

Originally posted by biggmoneyme
the whole system is about to collapse. how are they going to afford to put people in fema camps. You gotta pay those gaurds. You can't pay them if there is no money.

People with no hope will work for promise of pay if it involves authority and power. Some people will work for just that.

Originally posted by BlastedCaddy

Originally posted by biggmoneyme
the whole system is about to collapse. how are they going to afford to put people in fema camps. You gotta pay those gaurds. You can't pay them if there is no money.

People with no hope will work for promise of pay if it involves authority and power. Some people will work for just that.

some people will turn in their mothers,,, just to STAY - OUT of the Camps themselves.... no PAY needed...

Millions would die if they attempted something foolish like this. I for one expect good cops and good military personal to put up a hell of a fight for us, it would be enough to spark a violent revolution, which is possibly what they want. So what to do?

But i think this scenario is very unlikely to happen, If i recall correctly i believe a poll recently came out where the military service men largely said they wouldn't attack American civilians if ordered too So worse case scenario you would have the the cops and the military and such along with the civilians possibly fighting with the percentage of those groups who would have no problem rounding up people and or killing them.

Originally posted by paganini
But i think this scenario is very unlikely to happen, If i recall correctly i believe a poll recently came out where the military service men largely said they wouldn't attack American civilians if ordered too So worse case scenario you would have the the cops and the military and such along with the civilians possibly fighting with the percentage of those groups who would have no problem rounding up people and or killing them.

Yes, I believe you're right but I also remember the counter to this,

They'd hire foreigners who would love to put a cap in our arse.

What foreigners? Idk!

reply to post by Mach5


I agree with most posters, to each their own, but always have a plan. Never write down your intentions, or how to contact you, because there will be no contact. Second of all, be sure to learn a second language & learn it well, then retreat to said speaking locations. Thirdly, I think we would be aware if we were on the list. So you would conceivably have a head start. If there was a mass persons of interest sweep, there are ways to exploit those measures.

-29INFDIV

Originally posted by darrman
reply to post by Mach5

 

"they" know where the people are hiding,,, Infra-red, from the Air,, Helicopters !!

but to answer your question.. YOU, and All of "US",, Should already have a "jump-bag" right by the front door, or Outside of our home,,or in a shed--or buried in the yard-- or in the trunk of our cars..!!!

any thinking that you need to pack up and get out of the house really quick,,, makes it TOO LATE,, you should have it all ready to go.. Grab it and Go!!!

get it all ready tonight....

and keep it stocked,, and rotate your items,, to keep them fresh..


WATER,,, Water,, and Food,, and whatever "protection" you might feel needed.. and Water!!

and you know the list... butts, booze, bullets, Broads,.. and Band-aids..

and water.. or a GREAT camping Filter system,, for water....

edit on 1/8/12 by darrman because: did i mention ,, WATER??

edit on 1/8/12 by darrman because: (no reason given)

A 99 cent Emergency blanket should take care of the Helicopters.....

reply to post by paganini

Nothing and no one can be trusted, you can believe all you want that the cops or the military would stand down and join ranks, but too many actions on both their part has pointed to the opposite, THE PEOPLE need to pull their heads out of their asses and put together their game plan for themselves and their families, because Obama and the gruberment have every intention of following through on their threats, just the fact that its been put into law makes all of it a direct threat to EVERY American citizen and the future of this country.

20 years ago when all this crap was going on with the branch divideans and ruby ridge and oklahoma, the word on the street back then was that the government had every intention in using Gangs and contractors to do their dirty work, and that was over 20 years ago, then up pops , blackwater and the rise in gang presence throughout the military, its almost like a bad dream coming true....BECAUSE IT IS

As for having a secret room they have the power to see thru buildings.

Even if you did manage to escape to the bush they can see you and even recognize you on infrared using biometrics including your face scan and the way you walk deployed from computerized systems on drones or satellites.

What you need is something that can mask your infrared signature making you appear as a deer or a bear.

Originally posted by LightWarrior11

Originally posted by paganini
But i think this scenario is very unlikely to happen, If i recall correctly i believe a poll recently came out where the military service men largely said they wouldn't attack American civilians if ordered too So worse case scenario you would have the the cops and the military and such along with the civilians possibly fighting with the percentage of those groups who would have no problem rounding up people and or killing them.

Yes, I believe you're right but I also remember the counter to this,

They'd hire foreigners who would love to put a cap in our arse.

What foreigners? Idk!

Oh yeah The military right now has a problem with gang members from foreign countries being recruited into the ranks, and the conspiracy theory is this is done intentionally as a low life from a foreign country likely wouldn't have a problem firing on Americans.

reply to post by mwuhi

well they don't have any technology that can see into underground sewer systems, mines or natural caves, even to look within them at their openings, so some one with a 50 cal 100 ft back in a cave could play tiddly winks with a chopper or surveillance plane at 3 or 4000 yards undetected, then slip into oblivion never to be found..there are natural cave systems that run hundreds of miles that the best spelunking teams in the world could never find you and all the bombs they ever dreamed of dropping on you would have absolutely no affect

Originally posted by sweetnlow
reply to post by paganini

 

Nothing and no one can be trusted, you can believe all you want that the cops or the military would stand down and join ranks, but too many actions on both their part has pointed to the opposite, THE PEOPLE need to pull their heads out of their asses and put together their game plan for themselves and their families, because Obama and the gruberment have every intention of following through on their threats, just the fact that its been put into law makes all of it a direct threat to EVERY American citizen and the future of this country.

20 years ago when all this crap was going on with the branch divideans and ruby ridge and oklahoma, the word on the street back then was that the government had every intention in using Gangs and contractors to do their dirty work, and that was over 20 years ago, then up pops , blackwater and the rise in gang presence throughout the military, its almost like a bad dream coming true....BECAUSE IT IS

I am not saying we have nothing to worry about but at the same time we have seen the news of sheriffs standing up to the feds ,generals vehemently opposing NDAA ,and more and more soldiers becoming angered at how they are being used. Combine that with a country thats armed to the teeth and it would make such a scenario pointless for the powers that be to put into action.

Worse case scenario theres such a death toll on both sides that theres no one to even control.

reply to post by paganini

When the government finally concludes that we are a direct threat to them and they are getting no cooperation from their military and law enforcement, they will just deploy drones with weapons and chemtrailers to spray genocidic chemicals on the resistance, no man need be on the ground for this activity and can be handled entirely from the undergrounds at the denver airport 4000 ft above sealevel were absolutely no one can oppose or stop them

reply to post by paganini


That's why they're paid mercenaries not recruits. When there is no cash there is still gold and other mortal values such as might and power.

reply to post by Mach5


Nice scenario!

I have "shock blankets" which reflect 97% of all heat. I also have a trap door under my staircase that leads under the house. Under the stairs is our little storm shelter area, but secretly the floor of it rises up.

So, with only 45 mins warning, I'd say we ransack the house, leave the doors wide open, drive one of the vehicles down the road aways, and then abandon it and run back to the house. We toss the B.O.B. under the house, and stuff the family away quietly under the house, and when we hear approaching noise, we wrap ourselves in the shock blankets to hide any heat signature and we ride it out. The concrete block walls of the crawl space, combined with the heat blanket should shield our heat signatures. The ransacked house and missing vehicle should send a message that we have abandoned and run.

If they are extremely vigilant, and we get caught, we end up in the camp anyway, so no real risk in hiding out. If we try to hit the streets, there are likely checkpoints and aerial surveillance, so we'll eventually be caught anyway.

If we had more like a day or two notice, instead of 45 mins, maybe we would head out into the woods to hunker down, but with only 45 mins, we have a plan, but it will require a little luck and blessing from God.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Mach5

 

I have "shock blankets" which reflect 97% of all heat. I also have a trap door under my staircase that leads under the house. Under the stairs is our little storm shelter area, but secretly the floor of it rises up.

Used to be a secret, at least.

reply to post by AkumaStreak




I thought about not replying to the thread with my specific plans, but I figured a) this scenario hopefully won't happen too soon, and b) if and when it happens, it will likely be happening in mass, so the troops or guardsman that come won't be specifically prepared by researching me first. If a SWAT team were coming specifically after me, they might find something like this thread, but doubtful.

So, my secret is still relatively safe.

Now, to evolve the thread. Let's raise the ante......
What if there were rumors of the horrid treatment of the detainees, and a good chance that my family would never be reunited if I complied or was caught. Then, would I fight? Would I make a stand in my own home, against a superior force? That question is much tougher. Again, with a few days notice, I could mount a sizeable ambush, and it would be fruitful to resist and outflank them. But, with 45 mins notice, at best, it might be me and my wife each with a gun, and possibly some makeshift firebomb in the yard. Perhaps we could mount a diversion and cut out, or maybe we would just have to go down in a blaze of glory. Would I sacrifice the lives of my children to keep my family together, in life or death? I just don't know the answer to that one, but it is a possibility. Now, the thread has me thinking of ways to booby-trap the yard in advance!

Originally posted by Mach5
I think its somewhat obvious if they know if someone is there or not. Anything could give you away. Car. Lights. Recent communications from that address.

With new smart meters on our power, if you use any single electric item they know what it is and therefore that you are home.