America's Duty to Venerate and Protect Israel and the Jewish People

reply to post by ZionSteel


OP, you are a troll. I'm not sure if you're a prankster too, but definitely you're a troll.

The first rule of freedom of conscience is that you are allowed to believe whatever you want while I am allowed to believe whatever I want.
Contrary to this, you are trying to enforce your beliefs over other people, trying very hard to convince them that your ideas are the right ones, using only disputable arguments, which wouldn't resist being analyzed by my 8 year old son.

I wonder what is the REAL purpose of your thread... do you want "S&F"? Are you collecting them? Because I don;t find any other logical reason of it.
Oh, there is another one: you are a troll. I think you are over watching the replies, having a strong self-satisfaction because you succeed in igniting the spirits here, making some people to justify their beliefs to you (rhetorically speaking). That makes you a troll.

I am amazed and profoundly amused seeing how many discussions over the "chosen people" are around, none of it being finished because this whole subject is a big scam and illusion.
There's no "chosen people". The Jews have no extra attributes over the Mozambicans, Polish, Argentinians or Eskimo; they just happened to be there, fighting with their neighbors over land, resources, women and money (not in this particular order, though). Then a smart guy came from the outskirts - his name was Jesus - having an amazing marketing team with him and conned almost everyone, beginning a reign of terror and death based on some fantasies (like what's the name of god, was his mother still a virgin and many others). And we are still living that reign, since over 2000 years ago. Pity us.
But the Jews were there, like any other people in the area.
Then it happened that they somehow succeeded in subjugating the US of A, transforming it into a satellite-country of Israel, having lots and lots of Americans convinced that they own everything to that small-artificial-country in the Middle-East. A great marketing and PR hit, I must say.

And now, the OP come here, on ATS, trying desperately to prove that Americans' main duty is to continue in kissing some Jewish... behinds and, not-surprising, some of them agreed with that. Cool.
Too bad that US of A, a huge power, the major used-to-be champion of freedom and democracy, is now positioning itself in a doggy-style, waiting to be... I'd better shut the heck up or my post will be erased over "Manners and Decorum" terms.

So, OP, you're a troll, dude.

And to end this:
- I am NOT American;
- I am NOT Jew;
- I think Israel is the Public Enemy No.1 these days;
- I am absolutely convinced that "the holocaust" is one of the most successfully implemented lie in the history of human kind.

... and I wonder if this post will stay on.

Again: OP, you're a troll, dude.

reply to post by shansen

And to end this:
- I am NOT American;
- I am NOT Jew;
- I think Israel is the Public Enemy No.1 these days;
- I am absolutely convinced that "the holocaust" is one of the most successfully implemented lie in the history of human kind.

Congratulations. Your ignorance matches the OP on the other spectrum.

Well I'm sure you were made for each other.

reply to post by masterp


God can be a bit of a prick I think he has a drinking problem

reply to post by mossme89


How can you be Jewish and not Zionist? It is in your own scriptures to be.


Not that it's something I care for. Just a pondering how you can pick and choose like that.



I for one see no reason to support Israel. If God is with them, we are not needed.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by shansen

 

And to end this:
- I am NOT American;
- I am NOT Jew;
- I think Israel is the Public Enemy No.1 these days;
- I am absolutely convinced that "the holocaust" is one of the most successfully implemented lie in the history of human kind.

Congratulations. Your ignorance matches the OP on the other spectrum.

Well I'm sure you were made for each other.

No, my friend; this what I believe. I am assuming a certain degree of ignorance; we all are ignorant in a way...
But I really do hope that you won't really believe that NOT being American or Jew makes me the ignorant one, yes? No?
As for the other statement of yours, I'm already married... happily.

God, i wish ALL religions would go to hell.

reply to post by ZionSteel


- Judaism is anti-Zionism and vice-versa. Zionism is basically satanism preparing the world for the anti-Christ.

-Holocaust never took place (A HOAX to generate maximum support for Rothschild Israel). Otherwise someone whose faced a genocide would thank the people who gave them a new place to live NOT mass murder and rape their lands.

-Hitler was a bastardized Rothschild (Havaara agreement).

-The Balfour declaration was made in a letter from Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. The letter reflected the position of the British Cabinet, as agreed upon in a meeting on 31 October 1917. It further stated that the declaration is a sign of "sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations."

-Ashkanazi Rothschilds funded both communism (Bolshevik revolution) and Nazism, hence why they all pretend to fight each other but on top they are all laughing together while millions die and suffer.

- US/NATO FIRST objective is to secure Israel at any cost.

-The final project in Middle east is to extend Israel's borders from Nile to Euphrates for the CHOSEN PEOPLE.

reply to post by ZionSteel


It has more to do with who controls the world's money which has little if anything to do with God....

God said he provided everything for us and didn't want us wanting for money......for look where it's lead us !

We now worship money instead of God.

You could be the best person in the world but because you have no money ....you amount to nothing and are expendable.

As the Palestinians are....

Sad sad Sad....and we dare call ourselves Civilized ?

Peace

Ron Paul will not be allowed to come in power or he will not live long if he does.

JF Kennedy already gave the world a big hint as to what was happening before they put him to sleep.

I'll probably regret stepping into this, but:

Paul notes the spiritual debt Gentiles owe Israel, and duty to support Israel in earthly matters. Paul warns Gentiles "not to be ignorant of this mystery (Israel), lest we become wise in our own conceit", because Israel's blindness to the gospel will only continue "until the fulness of the Gentiles come in". (Romans 11: 25)

Maybe I'm interpreting this incorrectly, but it seems to me that Paul is saying that we not shun Israel because one day they will see the light and convert to Christianity. Is it Israel's destiny to become a Christian nation?

Further, Christians believe that the only road to salvation is to accept Jesus as their Savior. Jews don't accept Christ as their Savior, so they can't get into Heaven. How can it be that God's chosen people can't get into Heaven?

2) The Jewish people made it through the trials of persecution down through the ages, including the most difficult of all, THE HOLOCAUST. Collectively in history, their suffering is unmatched by any other peoples. None have suffered so much, and yet the hand of G_d is apparent in their continued survival through history’s darkest hour.

I think Native Americans and Aboriginies might disagree with you. Their genocide continues, and there is no chance that they will get their land back.

What must we do as Americans?

If Israel is truly God's chosen people, what does it matter what we do? Since God is taking care of Israel, we could simply butt out, and be no worse off than Paraguay, Iceland, or Switzerland. Whether God wants Israel to prosper or be destroyed, there is nothing the US can do to alter God's will, so why bother?

Support those politicians who support Israel and the Jewish people, of whatever party. Reject anti-Semites such as Ron “crazy old angy man” Paul.

They get plenty of support from pro-Israel PACs. I'll support the "crazy old man" who supports the US Constitution and the American people. We could use some support.

reply to post by ZionSteel


wow what utter crap, well usually when things are handed to people we tend to not like people like that so thanks for pointing that out, maybe thats why jews have a hard time, everything is handed to them oh but wait arent they STEALING PALESTINE so i guess not everything. wow what happend to this site it used to be about ufos jfk and government coverups, now its just this religious crap and peoples feelings and personal belief systems dont they have other sites for that crap sorry i have a hard time believing i need to help israel when they are commiting the same crimes against palestine with weapons we gave them, face it they are scumbags ALL RELIGION IS A FREAKIN FAIRYTALE GROW UP with out religions we would be building things on other planets by now, so redic

reply to post by flexy123


god bless you , people we need no guru or priest or rabbi or mullahs
all we need is to look WITHIN .

self perpetuating organized religions are all about control , full. of 1/2 truths and outright lies . it is just one more way to

"divide and conquer "

I personally don't have a problem with Israel as a people but I do have concern over the "powers that be" from both sides of the world using this country as a political pawn. Furthermore, I try to respect ones religion or faith, but what I do not respect is when someone tries to use their religion to shape politics or anyone's world view for that matter. I was raised Christian, though I have "grown up" since then when I realized how much any organized religion is used to manipulate populations on every level.

Finally, my only acknowledgement of God in our political world and as an individual is that we are born free and equal under our creator...the very indisputable foundation of Liberty, no matter what kind of government. Period.

reply to post by shansen


I believe in God.

Doesn't mean there's any proof.



Thing is. That's religion. Not the death of 6 million people.

reply to post by ZionSteel


OP I respect your sincerity, but I disrespect your naivety, lack of critical thought and the outright dangerousness of your post. I know you mean no harm, yet your thoughts could cause harm.

Since you're Christian and follow the bible—a book derived from the great philosophies of Plato, Aristotle, the Torah etc—you're undoubtedly a lover of philosophy, but why would you just stop there? Continue with your research into wisdom.

I would suggest these books before you mistakenly accept the hearsay in the bible (or any book) as absolute truth:

The History of Western Philosophy – Bertrand Russel.
Ethics and On the Improvement of the Understanding – Benedictus de Spinoza.
Anything by Nietzsche.

If you can get through these books and still believe what you believe now, you will feel empowered and your faith and love of God will be stronger.

Please, a philosopher such as yourself needs to look even further, beyond what you believe now. Every system of belief deserves extreme scrutiny, I plead with you to wade in deeper, challenge yourself and your wisdom even further. You, everyone around you, and your faith will be better off.

Thank you for hearing my opinion.

reply to post by ZionSteel


Great post. The world should support Israel especially with the Rise of crazy muslims around the planet...
Israel is our only defense in the middle east...

reply to post by CountDrac


Why should we need a defense in the middle east.

reply to post by antonia

Either a God as described exists or is made up by those who believe in Him. In the first case, He could be anything including a douchebag, no getting away from it. In the latter case, His qualities are obviously the qualities most esteemed by those who created Him. It is not just that they are douchebags, it also that they can't imagine any better

reply to post by flexy123


Then more would be made.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by shansen

 

I believe in God.

Doesn't mean there's any proof.

I absolutely respect your beliefs. As Voltaire said, I may not agree with you but I will fight to death for your right to speak your beliefs.