Jospeh son of Jacob (Israel) and Imhotep

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It does not matter how much you try to justify the name through Islamic teaching, Allah and Jehova are not the same because neither have the same character or nature.

Why do you still use the crescent moon which is the symbol of the moon god? Muslims around the world go into mosques and bow down to the symbol of the crescent moon and worship the god of the crescent moon. The crescent moon god has always been known in antiquity, so why did Mohammed keep the symbol of the pagan god?

All that Mohammed did, was organize the religion around the moon god, and if you believe the moon god is god, then keep on worshiping the moon god, but you are not worshiping the same God as Jesus.

He [Jesus] said, "Lo, I am God's servant; God has given me the Book, and made me a Prophet." S. 19:30

The only time Jesus opens the book, and it was the Torah, He read from Isaiah.

Isaiah 61:1The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

Luke 4:17And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Nothing in that declares that Jesus was saying He was just a prophet, but He is Healer and Mender of broken hearts. He also sets those free that are bound, spiritually. You cannot say this was not written correctly by the disciples, because the verses are the same.

Can Mohammed do greater than Jesus? Has Mohammed healed? Has Mohammed saved? Has Mohammed fed the hungry? Mohammed claims his authority to come from Allah, and if Allah and Jehova are the same, then why did Mohammed not do those things Jesus said a believer would do?

Mark 16: 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Compare this with

Matthew 28:18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus commanded baptism in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. So if you baptize because you want to honor Jesus in that, it would then be prudent to do it the manner He prescribed.

Mark 10: 7They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory. 38But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? 39And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized: 40But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.

If you believe in Jesus, then you must drink of the cup He drinks of, and baptized with His baptism. Nothing he says anywhere is about being a prophet, the reason is because He was every prophesy, fulfilled. No prophet prophesied of himself, and the ones who did, were not real prophets because The Spirit of Prophecy is the testimony of Jesus Christ. Jesus sets free and heals, Mohammed does not. Therefore, they do not speak of the same God.

Jesus never said "I will be", He said "I Am". And Jesus would never prophecy one coming after Him, who did not know God, and did not preach the same character and nature of the Father as He did. Mohammed preached the moon god, symbolized now in your flags and minarets, of which you worship in every mosque. You worship the symbol, and that is still idol worship.

Originally posted by WarminIndy
reply to post by sHuRuLuNi

 

It does not matter how much you try to justify the name through Islamic teaching, Allah and Jehova are not the same because neither have the same character or nature.

Why do you still use the crescent moon which is the symbol of the moon god? Muslims around the world go into mosques and bow down to the symbol of the crescent moon and worship the god of the crescent moon. The crescent moon god has always been known in antiquity, so why did Mohammed keep the symbol of the pagan god?

Why do you keep talking about things you have NO KNOWLEDGE of?

Muhammad did neither use nor introduce the crescent moon. It was used by the Ottoman Empire.

The "symbol" of islam in Muhammads time and now is Kalima - the flag with the creed written on it: There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is His Messenger".

That was and IS the symbol and the flag.

Once again: The crescent moon was used as symbol and flag by the Ottoman Empire.

We do not bow down before any symbol, or idols or statues, CONTRARY TO YOU.

And this is my final say on this matter. Clearly there is no point discussing this with someone who has absolutely no knowledge of and the only arguments of his are his prejudice and islamophobic propaganda.



Over and out.

Originally posted by sHuRuLuNi

Originally posted by WarminIndy
reply to post by sHuRuLuNi

 

It does not matter how much you try to justify the name through Islamic teaching, Allah and Jehova are not the same because neither have the same character or nature.

Why do you still use the crescent moon which is the symbol of the moon god? Muslims around the world go into mosques and bow down to the symbol of the crescent moon and worship the god of the crescent moon. The crescent moon god has always been known in antiquity, so why did Mohammed keep the symbol of the pagan god?

Why do you keep talking about things you have NO KNOWLEDGE of?

Muhammad did neither use nor introduce the crescent moon. It was used by the Ottoman Empire.

The "symbol" of islam in Muhammads time and now is Kalima - the flag with the creed written on it: There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is His Messenger".

That was and IS the symbol and the flag.

Once again: The crescent moon was used as symbol and flag by the Ottoman Empire.

We do not bow down before any symbol, or idols or statues, CONTRARY TO YOU.

Over and out.

Aww, you do not read the history of your own ancestors, do you? I take it you believe time began in 643, as Mohammed told you it did?

Ok, how many pictures of ancient artifacts from Arabian countries should we post on here? Give me a few moments and I will post as many as I find. The Jews had a history, and that history includes the mention of Arabs, but the only history Mohammed taught....was the Jewish patriarchs, leaving out the history of his own people.

What does that mean? It means he does not want you to realize you ARE worshiping the moon god that Mohammed called allah.

Originally posted by WarminIndy

Originally posted by Lazarus Short
I think Joseph was Imhotep, but he was not the ancestor of Moses. Moses was of the tribe of Levi, while Joseph gave rise to the half-tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh.

Have you ever wondered why Joseph was so well received at court? The Egyptians were never too keen on anyone not of their country, so why did Joseph fit in so well? If we look into the very early history of Egypt, we see that it was inhabited by Hamites. Some time later, people from Mesopotamia came around the Arabian peninsula in ships, dragged them up a wadi thru the eastern desert (it would have been wetter then, and wadis would have been real streams), reached the Nile, and conquered the whole country with a new, innovative weapon, the pear-shaped mace. This was WAY back, before swords. David Rohl put all this together, the ship petroglyphs in the wadi, the maces, the early dynastic architecture of Egypt, which looked very Mesopotamian, etc. I'm just hitting the high points. In the end, Egypt became a two-tiered nation, Hamitic people as a working class, and a Shemitic ruling class, the Shemsu-Hor. As Joseph was from the same ethnic derivation, and remember that Abraham was born in Ur of the Chaldees, he may well have been viewed as "one of us."

I am currently looking into a theory that Ishmael became a pharaoh or one of his sons did and that was the one who knew Joseph. There are interesting things in the exchanges of that pharaoh and Joseph, pharaoh asks Joseph how his father is doing and when Jacob died, pharaoh tells Joseph to go bury his father according to the oath that Joseph made. Jacob was embalmed according to the Egyptian custom by the priests that were under Joseph.

The Bible says that Ishmael became a mighty archer, and that his mother gave to him a wife from Egypt. Later we see the pharaoh giving a wife to Joseph. If Ishmael became a pharaoh, then he was Joseph's great-uncle.

We also know that Egypt was ruled by the Hyksos pharaohs, and those were pharaohs not of Egyptian descent, but Canaanite invaders.

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Interesting, but Ishmael was the father of the Arab peoples, and I know of no sources placing him in Egypt. The Bible and the Book of Jasher place him in Edom. Jasher in particular, portrays him as a constant troubler of the rest of the family, and in particular, that he stood in the way when Jacob's funeral procession was near Edom. Keep us posted on your research, however.

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This was the symbol of the moon god, worshiped long before Mohammed. This symbol is still found on minarets and flags. Hu'bal, the moon god and husband of Sin, who was also known as Ishtar, were found in....Mecca. Why did Mohammed teach that Muslims should pray toward Mecca, the home of Hu'bal? And why would Mohammed also tell Muslims to take hajj in Mecca that his ancestors had done for thousands of years? And why would Mohammed tell Muslims to dance around the Kaaba, the house of Hu'bal, and the rock has been worshiped thousands of years before Mohammed?

Why would Mohammed tell his followers to still perform these duties that his ancestors did, those ancestors as worshipers of Hu'bal and Sin? Because to him, Hu'bal was allah. Mohammed may have smashed an idol of Hu'bal, but did not stop the practice of worship to Hu'bal.

Muslims may be monotheistic, but the one deity they worship is really Hu'bal. Archeology proves it, religion proves it and Mohammed proves it, but his followers could not live with themselves if they realized they were indeed worshiping Hu'bal.

The thing about it is this, symbols that associate an idea within religion toward a deity carries significance that is revered in that worship. Yaweh carries no symbolism that is outward, but Hu'bal does. The symbol of Hu'bal has always been the crescent moon for thousands of years, that same symbol is present in the mosque in Mecca, the temple of Hu'bal has always been there. This Hu'bal was worshiped in the Kaaba along with the 359 other gods. Mohammed merely named one of those gods as allah, and not surprisingly, Hu'bal was regarded as the Supreme God.

Yes, Muslims are monotheistic, they worship the same god as their ancestors. Ishmael is not their ancestor though, because Ishmael went to Egypt with his mother Hagar, when he was 13 years old. So, if any Muslim can, by using the Bible they claim to know, place Abraham in Mecca. It can't be done because it never happened.

The reason Mohammed had the idol smashed, was because it was where Arabs determined if a child was of pure lineage or just an associated alien. The father of Mohammed had promised to sacrifice one of his children to Hu'bal...and guess which one the divination arrows fell on. Mohammed was not considered pure, so guess what he did, he wanted to signify his purity, by removing the action of divination, but not the god the divination was done to.

Mohammed declared himself as a prophet and messenger...of Hu'bal. He retained the symbols and worship of Hu'bal, therefore, through his own reverence of the symbols prove he worshiped Hu'bal. He commanded all his followers to keep the symbols and acts, because they vaunted Hu'bal as the Supreme God.

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Archeaology is where it is at and a great many discoveries have been made. Ishamael might have become a prominant figure in egyptian culture.

I always thought Abraham settled in the Jordan Valley? I'll have to do some research but i don't think Abraham event went as far south as Mecca...have to look and see.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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Archeaology is where it is at and a great many discoveries have been made. Ishamael might have become a prominant figure in egyptian culture.

I always thought Abraham settled in the Jordan Valley? I'll have to do some research but i don't think Abraham event went as far south as Mecca...have to look and see.

We know Ishmael by the Hebrew rendering, we do not know what the Egyptian rendering is. We know that Ishmael became an archer, and many images of pharaohs were of them as archers. The other famous king archer was Nimrod, who built the ziggurat in Babel. An archer is different than a sword slinger. An archer did not sit in the front of the soldiers, they stayed behind and in chariots.

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We know that these ancient people settled in different areas of the world, that is not in dispute and anyone can say they come from Abraham. It is not hard to fathom that from genealogy. But the children born through Isaac promise the Redeemer, and even though Ishmael was promised to become the father of A great nation, it does not say many nations. The many nations promise comes through Isaac.

Abraham also had sons from the Ethiopian woman Keturah, and if the Arabs want to claim rights as descendants, then so do these sons of Keturah. But, the promise of the Redeemer was given to Isaac.

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Well the egyptians employed chariots which had a driver and an archer in the chariot and a runner that ran alongside them and tried to drag the enemy driver or archer out of the opposing enemiy chariot (that had to be a tiring job). One actual theory to the reason King Thutankamun died was a blow to his head by an enemy weapon during battle an d he too was pretty good with a bow. If he did go to egypt there's no way of telling who he ever was barring some miracle where we find a tomb with the epitaph "here lies Ishamael, son of Imbrim" which that has never happened.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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Well the egyptians employed chariots which had a driver and an archer in the chariot and a runner that ran alongside them and tried to drag the enemy driver or archer out of the opposing enemiy chariot (that had to be a tiring job). One actual theory to the reason King Thutankamun died was a blow to his head by an enemy weapon during battle an d he too was pretty good with a bow. If he did go to egypt there's no way of telling who he ever was barring some miracle where we find a tomb with the epitaph "here lies Ishamael, son of Imbrim" which that has never happened.

I am so glad I was not born a man in those days!! The pharaoh, it appears, was just more than a ruler, but a warrior king that had to know how to fight. There was not much diplomacy back then.

We may never see any description of Ishmael in Egypt, or we may have, but known to them by his Egyptian name. Archeologists have not found everything yet. We do know that Esau went to where Ishmael was to find wives there, and that was recorded close to the Hittites. The Hittites were known to the Egyptians, so maybe there is something in the Hittite records about him.

We also know that not every pharaoh was Egyptian, they were also Hyksos, and came from Canaan. It appears the area of Canaan was tremendously powerful if the Hyksos were able to rule from Egypt.

Traditionally,[who?] only the Fifteenth Dynasty rulers are called Hyksos. The Greek name "Hyksos" was coined by Manetho to identify the Fifteenth Dynasty of Asiatic rulers of northern Egypt. In Egyptian Hyksos means "ruler(s) of foreign countries", however, Manetho mistranslated Hyksos as "Shepherd Kings". [4] [5] The Hyksos had Canaanite names, as seen in those with names of Semitic deities such as Anath or Ba'al. They introduced new tools of warfare into Egypt, most notably the composite bow and the horse-drawn chariot.

The Hyksos introduced the composite bow to Egypt.

There were only 5 Hyksos pharaohs, one of them was Apepi, who worship Set in a monotheistic manner. Set was known as Seth, or Sheth. Set was regarded as the god of the desert.

In the Ramesside era, he is recorded as worshiping Seth in a monolatric way: "[He] chose for his Lord the god Seth. He didn't worship any other deity in the whole land except Seth." Jan Assmann argues that because the Ancient Egyptians could never conceive of a "lonely" god lacking personality, Seth the desert god, who was worshiped exclusively, represented a manifestation of evil.[10]

The Theban Egyptians regarded Seth as evil.

We may never know the full life of Ishmael, but one thing is certain, the people born to him did have influence in the ancient world.

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The Hittite empire was north of Israel, in syria and turkey and extended down into Israel on the plains of Megiddo (armageddon) where there was a buffer zone between the Egyptians and the Hittites and the 2 nations fought many battles repeatedly over that area. It is said that Hepshetsu (step mother of thut-ankhamun) after her husband the pharoah had died she was in a position to loose her throne to a man she didn't want to marry so she sent a letter to the King of the Hittites and proposed a marriage deal and arranged for 1 of his 10 sons to marry her so she could retain her power but before he could get to Egypt he was ambushed and killed by assasins sent from the man who wanted to be king.

I wouldn't care for living in those days, someone could poison you or kill you in your sleep and there was pretty much nothing you could do about it. More often than not a person lived by the whims of another person.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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The Hittite empire was north of Israel, in syria and turkey and extended down into Israel on the plains of Megiddo (armageddon) where there was a buffer zone between the Egyptians and the Hittites and the 2 nations fought many battles repeatedly over that area. It is said that Hepshetsu (step mother of thut-ankhamun) after her husband the pharoah had died she was in a position to loose her throne to a man she didn't want to marry so she sent a letter to the King of the Hittites and proposed a marriage deal and arranged for 1 of his 10 sons to marry her so she could retain her power but before he could get to Egypt he was ambushed and killed by assasins sent from the man who wanted to be king.

I wouldn't care for living in those days, someone could poison you or kill you in your sleep and there was pretty much nothing you could do about it. More often than not a person lived by the whims of another person.

Being in politics in those days was a dangerous profession. All the past emperors and pharaohs walked a tightrope to ensure they were not targeted.

The death of the pharaoh's first born meant the end of his family's right to claim the throne of Egypt. I see where Ahmose was the pharaoh that Moses knew.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
There has been a debate going on for a while now and since the 1950's has been gaining momentum in identifying just who exactly, Joseph was identified as in ancient Egypt. Velikovsky had alot to say on accurately identifying who Joseph was identified as in the Ancient Egyptian civilzation.

This link i will post has some surprising similarities between Joseph the son of Jacob and the egyptian vizier Imhoptep. There are so many similarities that they cannot all just be random coincidence. There are 16 out of 17 known similarities between the 2 men and thats alot of coincidences between 2 peoples.

Imhotep is Joseph son of Jacob

I'm sorry I haven't got the time right now to read through the link and the rest of the thread, but I will, for various reasons, I am slightly more interested in 'Jacob', primarily because he is a 'source' and wondered if anyone on this thread has considered the relevence of the story of Jesus and the women of Jacob's Well? I feel that there is an allegorical meaning to 'Jacob's Well'...and his struggle with the angel which is relevent to the discussion here.

It may have come up...I will go and read the thread now.

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wondered if anyone on this thread has considered the relevence of the story of Jesus and the women of Jacob's Well? I feel that there is an allegorical meaning to 'Jacob's Well'...and his struggle with the angel which is relevent to the discussion here.

There is in that this story in John ties the Samaritans in as being Israelites.
I don't think the well itself has anything to do with that struggle, it is just the relationship between the tribe of Judah and the other tribes.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
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wondered if anyone on this thread has considered the relevence of the story of Jesus and the women of Jacob's Well? I feel that there is an allegorical meaning to 'Jacob's Well'...and his struggle with the angel which is relevent to the discussion here.

There is in that this story in John ties the Samaritans in as being Israelites.
I don't think the well itself has anything to do with that struggle, it is just the relationship between the tribe of Judah and the other tribes.

The Samaritans were descendants of those Israelites who were not taken to Babylon and those neighboring Canaanites. People assume that when the Jews were exiled anywhere, that the whole entire nation of people went into exile. That is simply not true. We read that Nehemiah went to rebuild the wall at Jerusalem, and found people in Jerusalem to do it.

Nehemiah 4:1But it came to pass, that when Sanballat heard that we built the wall, he was angry, and felt great indignation, and mocked the Jews. 2And he spoke before his brethren and the army of Samaria, and said, What do these feeble Jews? will they fortify themselves? will they sacrifice? will they finish in a day? will they revive the stones out of the heaps of the rubbish which are burned? 3Now Tobiah the Ammonite was by him, and he said, Even that which they build, if a fox goes up, he shall even break down their stone wall. 4Hear, O our God; for we are despised: and turn their reproach upon their own head, and give them for a spoil in a land of captivity: 5And cover not their iniquity, and let not their sin be blotted out from before you: for they have provoked you to anger before the builders. 6So built we the wall; and all the wall was joined together unto the half thereof: for the people had a mind to work. 7But it came to pass, that when Sanballat, and Tobiah, and the Arabians, and the Ammonites, and the Ashdodites, heard that the walls of Jerusalem were being repaired, and that the breaks began to be closed, then they were very angry, 8And conspired all of them together to come and to fight against Jerusalem, and to hinder it. 9Nevertheless we made our prayer unto our God, and set a watch against them day and night, because of them. 10And Judah said, The strength of the bearers of burdens is failing, and there is much rubbish; so that we are not able to build the wall. 11And our adversaries said, They shall not know, neither see, till we come in the midst among them, and slay them, and cause the work to cease. 12And it came to pass, that when the Jews who dwelt near them came, they said unto us ten times, From all places where you shall return unto us they will be upon you.

The Jews who lived near them, and people from the tribe of Judah. Do you think the Samaritans were disliked because of how they viewed the Jews?

From all places you shall return unto us....there were Jews still living in Israel during the captivity in Babylon. They rebuilt their wall at the mockery of the Samaritans, Arabs, Ammonites, and the Ashdodites.

Prophecy spoken here, from all places where you shall return to us, they shall be upon you. What does that mean? The Jews will return to Israel from all places and the enemy will determine to kill them. Isn't that exactly what is happening now?

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Prophecy spoken here, from all places where you shall return to us, they shall be upon you. What does that mean? The Jews will return to Israel from all places and the enemy will determine to kill them. Isn't that exactly what is happening now?

I'm guessing you are asking if I think you are a prophet and can read minds and know the intents of hundreds of people you have never met.
No, I don't think you are God, if this is what you are presenting yourself as, the very mouth of God as His Prophet.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
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Prophecy spoken here, from all places where you shall return to us, they shall be upon you. What does that mean? The Jews will return to Israel from all places and the enemy will determine to kill them. Isn't that exactly what is happening now?

I'm guessing you are asking if I think you are a prophet and can read minds and know the intents of hundreds of people you have never met.
No, I don't think you are God, if this is what you are presenting yourself as, the very mouth of God as His Prophet.

Absolutely that was not what I was saying in any way. I was saying here..as in this verse about Nehemiah. That writer was giving prophecy.

So first you accuse me of being Jewish, and now you accuse me of being a prophet...

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The Samaritans were descendants of those Israelites who were not taken to Babylon and those neighboring Canaanites. People assume that when the Jews were exiled anywhere, that the whole entire nation of people went into exile. That is simply not true. We read that Nehemiah went to rebuild the wall at Jerusalem, and found people in Jerusalem to do it.

Very true. In fact Samaria was actually the capitol of the "ten lost tribes". The tribes of Judah and Benjamin settled in Judea, the other 10 went everywhere else and they made their own capitol (which became Samaria)when they grew angry at Solomon because of his extremely high taxes for building the temple. Then the Assyrians invaded around 740-725 B.C.E. and in several raids they carried off quite alot of Israelites and after Babylonia defeated the Assyrians they invaded and carried off more of which Daniel's people were part of, and they never returned after they just stayed in Babylon and were seen as unfaithful because of their refusal to return.

Absolutely. In any exile all the jews were never taken even when Rome sacked Jerusalem in 70 a.d. Titus didn't get all the jews. Those that escaped the purge in jeruslaem where the jewish christians who were Massianic jews that knew of Christ's prophecy and he told them when to get out of the city. The jews that didn't believe, perished. Titus killed everyone of them that went over the walls trying to surrender and enslaved 100k which he took back to europe. An estimated 1.5 million jews perished in that revolt including the jews that were killed in the Galilee.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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The Samaritans were descendants of those Israelites who were not taken to Babylon and those neighboring Canaanites. People assume that when the Jews were exiled anywhere, that the whole entire nation of people went into exile. That is simply not true. We read that Nehemiah went to rebuild the wall at Jerusalem, and found people in Jerusalem to do it.

Very true. In fact Samaria was actually the capitol of the "ten lost tribes". The tribes of Judah and Benjamin settled in Judea, the other 10 went everywhere else and they made their own capitol (which became Samaria)when they grew angry at Solomon because of his extremely high taxes for building the temple. Then the Assyrians invaded around 740-725 B.C.E. and in several raids they carried off quite alot of Israelites and after Babylonia defeated the Assyrians they invaded and carried off more of which Daniel's people were part of, and they never returned after they just stayed in Babylon and were seen as unfaithful because of their refusal to return.

Absolutely. In any exile all the jews were never taken even when Rome sacked Jerusalem in 70 a.d. Titus didn't get all the jews. Those that escaped the purge in jeruslaem where the jewish christians who were Massianic jews that knew of Christ's prophecy and he told them when to get out of the city. The jews that didn't believe, perished. Titus killed everyone of them that went over the walls trying to surrender and enslaved 100k which he took back to europe. An estimated 1.5 million jews perished in that revolt including the jews that were killed in the Galilee.

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Paul even says this. And on the stele in Egypt, the pharaoh called them Ahmon..the people of God, and the word Israel was used.

Has God cast His own people? God forbid.

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Has God cast His own people? God forbid.

Yes he did. He scattered them to the winds because of what they did to Yahshua and allowed Jerusalem to be destroyed. The entire reason behind their exile these last 2000 years was a punishment to them because their pride has always been their downfall and it remains so even to this day although some are sporadically beginning to awaken and accept the Messiah.

There was a rabbi who died in 2005 at the age of 110 (i know he was over 100) and he claimed to have had a dream of the Lord and he said that the Messiah gave him a prophecy, that after Areol Sharon dies the Messiah would soon return (Sharon had a stroke sometime later and has been in a coma for several years on life support) and he told the rabbi his name and that name the rabbi wrote down and had it sealed for 1 year until after his death and the name was Yeshua the aramaic name of Jesus and probably one of his truer names. This prophecy could by why they keep Sharon alive on life support. This prophecy was given by a jewish orthodox rabbi and they do not even acknowledge Christ and it has caused quite an uproar but most of the orthodox students claim that is surely is an error...

Man are they thick.