S1698 :: Taking Away Your American Citizenship :: Enemy Expatriation Act

So now if the people rise up against a tyrannical government they are stripped of their citizenship and therefore have no country. Me thinks the powers that be are getting nervous as they steal our rights. Store food and you are a terrorist.
Exercise your rights and you are a terrorist. Speak out about unjust treatment by said Government and you are a terrorist. Believe in the constitution and you are a terrorist.

And America is a battlefeild. Don't remember any tanks rolling down the street lately. Maybe I missed them.

Shouldn't we be seeing a theme here?

reply to post by lonegurkha
no not really, tanks would be the last resort, Big city's have them anyway LAPD and the like BATF has some as well, no need for a Abrams , we do not have RPG's floating around.

Originally posted by woogleuk
That's got to have something to do with Bradley Manning, that's how it is reading to me, he helped the "enemy" by leaking classified documents, now they want to strip him of his US nationality.

OK, maybe not specifically for him, but I bet he got the ball rolling.

That's unlikely to have anything to do with Manning. It's about a bunch of ass wipes with nothing better to do. It was most likely taken from the Laws of Nations by Vidal which was the precusor to the Constitution. The only modern day example I can think of is when the US was trying to place a bunch of prisoners of war to other countries.

Most of the time, if you are a "natural" born citizen and commited treason you would be jailed and or executed.

Originally posted by bumpufirst
reply to post by Asktheanimals

 

that is correct , overthrow the people.is it worth living ? living like cattle stamped and branded.told what or when to eat,sleep,work,dress.wile a minority names them self owners of us all.and if people dont believe that,that a group considers them self as owners of us,just look and listen.earth is looking like a slave mine.next thing we will be imposed a uniform.exagarating?perhaps who thinks so is in denial still.i guess like a junky we need to hit rock bottom.then! it be to late.the dragon has iron teeth,tons of claws,breath of fire,and pearcing sight,no were you can hide.people who invent now days just helps him get stronger.but hey! im jusst ranting like a nutter. perhaps a solar storm to blow it all out would be a good thing,to level the playing feild.after all,thats what all fear,technology.

edit on 3-1-2012 by bumpufirst because: (no reason given)

Why do you think that many citizens are buying guns of all kinds now? There will be a civil war in this country. Many are going back to the same concept of the Declaration of Independence. There is a reason for a well armed malitia and that was to overthrow the government and take our freedom back.

What would you rather do? Die on your feet or live on your knees? There are more of us then there are of them.

reply to post by lonegurkha


Better to be a terrorist than a slave.

Doesnt this happen in ... escape from L.A ???? they introduce new laws and american citizens are judged by the government ... the ones who dont fit the image get deported to LA which has been sourounded by rising sea levels after the big earthquake ? and LA is effectivly a prison for anyone and everyone the government doesnt want in America.
And then Snake Pliskin fooks their sheet up like a pro and switches the world off .... then growls at the camera.

Just wondering .

reply to post by DrMattMaddix


I have more a problem with you and the tone of your thread than the bill.

If you are ignorant as to the function of implications of the bill, how can you have a rational reaction to it?

Instead you serve up something that seems like it was written by a frightened child.

The only thing I see that stands out is that it says anyone guilty of treason (found by a court) can lose citizenship. The implication is that the person can be deported. Where? You seem scared enough. Take a guess.

But, it's not said and done. If the person can prove that the judgement was wrong, then the decision is reversed.

but, correct me if I am wrong, but didn't they just pass a bill that would enable them to lock anyone they feel is a terrorist up indefinately, without any lawyer, or trial, ect......

To be honest, I haven't read any of the bill in question here, so for all I know, it's all hyped up garbage...
but, well, when bush was in office, all the liberals were "terrorists"......remember??
then well, obama's in office and now it's the people who want the constitution enforced, the vets, ect....

it's quite possible that if such a bill were passed, we would have very few citizens a decade from now, since even if you thought you were safe now, when the power turned in washington, well, you would be the new "terrorist"!!

and, I would about guarentee ya that most of the boomers would be considered "terrorists", since well....
they seem to have the rounding up or people and sending them off to work camps as part of the agenda to be followed when all else fails and their economy crumbles under their feet!! ya know, oh, they're terrorists, round them up!!! sieze their assetts, give their food and other resources to those that better fit into society.... when the economy is crap, it's far better to round up groups of people, and move them to someplace unseen, and make them very unhappy, so the rest can hold onto their good time economy, than it is to have everyone unhappy, since well, life gets kind of crappy for the powers that be when everyone is unhappy!!!

jews, japanese, gays, disabled, these were just the few of the ones that were found to not fit last time around...
are you willing to bet that you won't be one of the ones that were found to fit this time??

by the way, many of the jews were rather wealthy last time around, and it didn't save them. probably made them more of a target really....
I mean, you can't sieze many assetts from someone like me, I don't have much to take!!! no ira, no gold or silver to speak of, no swiss bank account, not much in our checking account even.....
and don't really expect to last long enough to draw social security, even if it is there!!!

reply to post by dawnstar


Honestly, I think operation Wetback 3 is in the works. All the law's they would need to do such a thing are already in place. The liberal establishment(the part that thinks) got a big wake up call when Latino's in California came out against gay marriage. Aside from the devaluation of labor and the annoyance factor, every illegal is a prospective new conservative voter.


Now it is all a matter of picking a fight with Mexico, or heck pick a fight with Iran and link Iran and Mexico together and bam. Rest is history.


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P.S, Most if not every single wealthy European Jew made it out. it was mostly poor and lower middle class European Jew's who where butchered.

Case in point:Soros. He came from an affluent Jewish family and his hiding spot: As a Nazi collaborator. He helped "collect" the property of Jewish Europeans sent to the death camps.

Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy

 

Even if we kick them out of office the corruption won't end. The only thing that will happen is that the current puppets won't be on the payroll, and some new puppets will take their place. We need to restructure our government entirely, set up new, immaculate foundations and begin rebuilding our once great and respectable nation.

Soooooo, under some provisions of law, you are advocating overthrowing our gov't.

Originally posted by Submarines
Maybe someone can explain this so my small mind understands......
What I am getting from all of this is if you are in anyway associated with being a terrorist against the US, even if you are a citizen, you can be prosecuted as such and lose your citizenship.

I'm having a hard time finding a problem with that.

I'm sure that most have no issues with that either.

That's exactly what I'm getting from it ... BUT MAYBE MORE ... I'm not a lawyer.

Finding these 2 bills made me furious.

HOWEVER, I'm actually still furious over the NDAA and what I understand of it!

You hear the phrase, 'get over it' ... I won't get over NDAA nor the blasphamous Patriot Act(s)!

Seeing even MORE BS to decipher; in these bills just puts me on edge and makes me even

more weary of our gov't.

People post on ATS all the time about how they want to remake the gov't.

Anyhow, Sit these Congress-PeRsOnS on their hands coated in crazy glue.

What exactly is a terrorist? (quoted above in Submarines post)

(Thanks for those that contributed!!!)
(others that have an opinion of my attitude; you have your opinion; I'm sooooo beyond that.
a pebble in the shoes of the toughest soldier will bring him to his knees, crying.)

Lots to cover in your post so if you stick with me you might get a better understanding of the law as I am a student of law.

First you have nothing to worry about, second the title (taking away American Citizenship) would be the greatest thing to ever happen. Nuts right? Well until you learn the laws that govern us.

To start to understand law first thing you have to ask is who does a law apply too?
All statue laws apply only to U.S. citizens, that means such things as: permits ie permission for: drivers license, SS, food stamps, seat belts, speeding ext...

Under the 14th amendment the government usurped all rights and turned them into privileges, it usurped Nationalities of all States by making it first a voluntary system and second taking away your rightful State Nationality as in New Jerseyian, Floridian, Ohioian and so on and made all U.S citizens/Nationals of the United States.

Confused yet, its simple once you start to understand law/laws and how/who they work for and apply too.

Start your study in law at my threads on this very topic.

Remember correct knowledge is power, patriot BS is a jail sentence. Learn the truth at my threads or go to www.pacinlaw.com to begin your study in law.

Thank you.

reply to post by Blaze1129
oh that is a good one civil war with guns, NOT!!!! they know who has them of what type , now that the USA is a battlefield the people can not have guns , they will come get them just like they did in Iraq, one by one door by door DHS BATF will have collection days where you turn them in your self. after that, it might be boots at the door.

reply to post by daynight42
but then how long are you detained to prove your innocent , this is it here "guilty to proved innocent" let say for the sake of argument, you are in a group of protesters and are giving fair warning to leave , no violence is planed nor intended but your blocking a fed court over some Gov law that has nothing to do with the war or a terrorist, but because it is a fed court , you and your group are deemed hostile and belligerent, your in mass say 1,500+ the NG is called out, your with a side group getting ready to leave, but a sign one of your group member's is carrying hits a cop , do you go to GIT MO? or do you go free. secondly do you lose your US citizenship yes or no

reply to post by DrMattMaddix
after reading and some head scratching , it donned on me that this S 1698 is part of the NDAA2012 Sub Sec D 1021 1022 here is the version of this 1031 1032 www.abovetopsecret.com... but you can see how it is the same thing

reply to post by DestroyDestroyDestroy


there are 165 people, not in the Republican or Democratic parties, are on file with the Federal Election Commission as presidential candidates.

money.cnn.com...

I suggest we throw our support behind one of them...
maybe not the economist, but one of them!!!!

reply to post by DrMattMaddix


I believe any citizen that commits a major crime such as rape, kidnapping,murder, treason etc should have their citizenship revoked.

why is this not making non-msm headlines like sopa and ndaa? this is far worse! this is the key that opens patriot act, ndaa, giving fema its opportunity...

I get often concerned about what i am reading on this site, but for the first time i am fearful
this will go quietly and there wont be any i told you so's

i have lost all hope in my government
that comment alone could get me thrown in a camp

reply to post by Bisman


Many people are scared of consequences.

They are afraid.