Why 'YOU' Should be careful with what Bible you get.

reply to post by colbe


It's funny you say fruit. 38,000 groups that love Jesus? Maybe he likes his fruit in varieties. Maybe he doesn't like just bananas? Anyway, since you can't answer any questions, I guess I don't have anymore. Have fun, see ya later.

I still don't get why you're in this thread though and why you would care what translation someone used since your stance is they're all basically encrypted anyway. If it's encrypted and you can't read it, it doesn't really matter .

reply to post by autowrench

Here is one for you, one that hasn't been changed a thousand times over the years:

The Bible hasn't been changed either. No manuscript, codex or anything has been found to show otherwise. In fact, the transmission of the writings that we call the Bible has been amazingly consistent through the passing of time.

reply to post by tinfoilman


I think those that point out the "38,000 Protestant denominations" either fail to realize or just plain don't know that Protestants all agree on the essential aspects to Christianity and differ on minor issues. (And that those that created that number count differences such as "start with right foot in foot washing/start with left foot in foot washing" as different denominations.)

Surely...more importantly though, is the way in which any bible is READ?!...and 'interpreted'...

Akushla

Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by tinfoilman

 

I think those that point out the "38,000 Protestant denominations" either fail to realize or just plain don't know that Protestants all agree on the essential aspects to Christianity and differ on minor issues. (And that those that created that number count differences such as "start with right foot in foot washing/start with left foot in foot washing" as different denominations.)

They agree on a heresy, that's about it. Martin Luther's from His mind,
Bible Alone, Sola Scriptura. Bible Alone is no where in Scripture. The
Gospel states the Church is our authority, the pillar and foundation of
Truth, 1Timothy 3:15.

They are united on one other, rejecting the RCC, the Church that gave them their authority, Sacred Scripture, the Bible.

Friend, God is going to reveal soon to all souls on the earth, the RCC,
is the true faith. There is so much you reject, so much grace, come along,
believe now, you will make through...to the new Time, the 7th Day, the millennial reign
of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by tinfoilman

 

I think those that point out the "38,000 Protestant denominations" either fail to realize or just plain don't know that Protestants all agree on the essential aspects to Christianity and differ on minor issues. (And that those that created that number count differences such as "start with right foot in foot washing/start with left foot in foot washing" as different denominations.)

octotom,

Oh my gosh, your "signature."

Protestants don't agree on the "essential aspects of Christianity", this is
an excuse for their division.I'll give you a major "disagreement", worse, a denial.

When Our Lord says, truly, truly, or Amen, Amen, it's serious. And don't forget Jesus said believe all that I have taught you.

Protestants reject the New Covenant ministerial priesthood so since 1517
they cannot confect the Holy Eucharist. They've come up with juice and
crackers are a "remembrance" of Calvary and/or Protestant communion
is just a "symbol" of Our Lord's body. No way, sixteen centuries, that
nonsense was never believed or taught. Jesus said "This is My Body."

Read Our Lord's words. He is explicit. Three profound, accepting by faith verses to be believed. And look at John 6:57. The only place in the Gospel where Jesus states how we abide in Him and He in us.

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Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. [55] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.

[56] For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. [57] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him.

A goodly number of people say the Bible is false. I read the original King James version and I don't have a problem with it. I use a program called E-Sword. It's the greatest. It's free. I have four different Bibles on E-sword, five different commentaries, and an encyclopedia that kicks ass. Besides it's free. Check it out, here's a link.


www.e-sword.net...

reply to post by colbe


First Timothy 3:15 doesn't say that the RCC is the "Church"; it uses church with a small "c". Thus the church, in a general, perhaps even spiritual, sense, is the pillar of truth as it's only within that church that spiritual truth can be found.

reply to post by colbe


Oh my gosh, your "signature."

Protestants don't agree on the "essential aspects of Christianity", this is
an excuse for their division.

Uhh, yes we do.

When Our Lord says, truly, truly, or Amen, Amen, it's serious. And don't forget Jesus said believe all that I have taught you.

Correct.

Protestants reject the New Covenant ministerial priesthood so since 1517
they cannot confect the Holy Eucharist.

All Christians are priests in Christ. There is no "New Covenant ministerial priesthood." The church leadership consists of elders and deacons. Consult Paul's letters.

They've come up with juice and crackers are a "remembrance" of Calvary and/or Protestant communion
is just a "symbol" of Our Lord's body. No way, sixteen centuries, that nonsense was never believed or taught. Jesus said "This is My Body."

Perhaps you should brush up on Protestant theology because it is only your modern day Baptists that would say that Communion is only a remembrance thing.

reply to post by alonzo730


Xiphos and Bibletime are also good, free programs for those that can't install Windows programs on their computers.

If one is willing to shell out the money, and has Windows or Mac, Logos is worthwhile as well.

Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by colbe

 

Oh my gosh, your "signature."

Protestants don't agree on the "essential aspects of Christianity", this is
an excuse for their division.

Uhh, yes we do.

That's your reply, four words. You can't name the essentials, you reject the most supernatural essential, Christ's presence in the Eucharist.

When Our Lord says, truly, truly, or Amen, Amen, it's serious. And don't forget Jesus said believe all that I have taught you.

Correct.
You agree to the first two words "Amen, Amen" of Jesus and left off the rest of John 6:54, all of 6:55 AND 6:57 because you reject them! Is that glaring or what? You do not follow all that Jesus teaches. You just admitted it with your omission of those verses. Wow!

Protestants reject the New Covenant ministerial priesthood so since 1517
they cannot confect the Holy Eucharist.

All Christians are priests in Christ. There is no "New Covenant ministerial priesthood." The church leadership consists of elders and deacons. Consult Paul's letters.

You don't understand, actually, accept. You don't accept there are two priesthoods in the New Covenant. We are all, lay people included a a part of the universal priesthood of believers. I am not talking about that, I am speaking of the ministerial consecrated priesthood who offer sacrifice. An elder is not a priest. There is no ministerial priesthood in Protestantism. You have no Apostolic Succession.

They've come up with juice and crackers are a "remembrance" of Calvary and/or Protestant communion
is just a "symbol" of Our Lord's body. No way, sixteen centuries, that nonsense was never believed or taught. Jesus said "This is My Body."

Perhaps you should brush up on Protestant theology because it is only your modern day Baptists that would say that Communion is only a remembrance thing.

Most all non-Catholic Christians believe their juice and crackers remain
the same, they are not changed, so their new excuse. Communion is just
a symbol, a remembrance. Those non-Catholic Christians who profess
a change of substance, example, the Lutherans define it as consubstantiation, it still remains bread and wine. Lutherans do not have a priesthood, no Apostolic Succession. Same for the Anglicans. Octoman, Jesus said This is My "body. Paul said, if you don't discern it is the "body" of our Lord, you bring judgment on yourself. You can't remain Protestant. Protestants actually reject more than they accept of Christ's teachings. You need the grace of the Eucharist or you remain a "spiritual baby"...from Our Lord in the messages.

Remember, remember when the Great Warning happens.

It's so difficult to reply to a torn up post. Keep someone's words whole. Reply in order, bolding or underlining what you wish to reply about...


love,

colbe

Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by colbe

 

First Timothy 3:15 doesn't say that the RCC is the "Church"; it uses church with a small "c". Thus the church, in a general, perhaps even spiritual, sense, is the pillar of truth as it's only within that church that spiritual truth can be found.

Rather weak reply. Admitting it sort of with your "thus"and the underlined. Jesus never said anything generally, He was very specific in His words. The Apostles would value His words and explanation and then pass them on...

This is a fact and you will always be left with a lie if you don't acknowledge it. The Church with a little c or a big C gave you your
Bible. The Roman Catholic Church by her God given authority determined
the Canon octotom.

1Timothy 3:15 says what it says because it is true. The Church is God's
authority here on earth. That's the New Covenant plan. Scripture states,
One Lord, one faith, one baptism...so...one Church. One belief, Protestants broke away and must return soon. They will but not all
sadly. I am hoping brother, you will say "yes" when God shows you.


1Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Originally posted by autowrench

Originally posted by Indenu
reply to post by Sagittarian69

 

Todays new international version - TNIV
New international version - NIV
New american Standard Bible - NASB
Holman Christian Standard Bible - HCSB
English Standard Verison - ESV
New Revised Standard Version - NRSV
Revised Standard Version - RSV
New King James Version - NKJV

All the ones you have to be careful of.

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Yes, all of you Christians better watch out! Read in the wrong book and something bad might happen. Do you hear yourselves? Of all of the many bibles, which one did God himself write, with his own hand? That is the only one I would even consider taking to heart. All these others, and I mean ALL, were written by men, men with an agenda. Here is one for you, one that hasn't been changed a thousand times over the years:
ARADIA or the Gospel of the Witches

neo-Paganism??? Dosnt seem very christiany if you ask me

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by colbe

 

1Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Please stop posting scripture. If your stance is that nobody can understand it but the church, and that it's encrypted. It's no different than if you were posting random letters. You're just wasting space in the ATS database. NOBODY UNDERSTANDS IT! Please stop posting it.

Besides, I have proof your church isn't the one true church. 1632ca2d72bc8fe270f843aefcf44c4597203b5f Sorry, see. Now it's encrypted and I know you can't read it or understand it. But I ASSURE you that my church can read it, and it's proof your church is wrong. You can tell by the random letters.

Originally posted by tinfoilman

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by colbe

 

1Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Please stop posting scripture. If your stance is that nobody can understand it but the church, and that it's encrypted. It's no different than if you were posting random letters. You're just wasting space in the ATS database. NOBODY UNDERSTANDS IT! Please stop posting it.

Besides, I have proof your church isn't the one true church. 1632ca2d72bc8fe270f843aefcf44c4597203b5f Sorry, see. Now it's encrypted and I know you can't read it or understand it. But I ASSURE you that my church can read it, and it's proof your church is wrong. You can tell by the random letters.

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You sound frustrated, no rebuttal so it's numbered nonsense.

It's not my "stance" tinfoilman, it's God's stance. God knows human nature and pride. He established an authority, one authority, the Church.

The Church for 2000 years has shared the meaning of Scripture. You
just don't agree because you protest, deny the true faith.

By the way, all your protest, share with me what Protestant community
were you brought up in or chose to join as an adult?


colbe

Non-Catholic Christians, maybe not all of them misinterpret "call no man
father." Here, chapter and verse, where Our Lord, the Apostles and Jesus' dear mother called holy men "Father."

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The Lord, Mary, the Apostles and Others Refer to Spiritual Leaders as "Fathers"

Matt. 3:9; Luke 3:8 - Jesus refers to Abraham as our "father."

Mark 11:10 - the people cried out blessed is the kingdom of our "father" David that is coming!

Luke 1:32 - God's angel says Jesus will be great and be given the throne of his "father" David.

Luke 1:55 - Mary says that He spoke to our "fathers," to Abraham and to his posterity for ever.

Luke 1:73 - Zechariah says the oath which he swore to our "father" Abraham.

Luke 16:24,30 - Jesus, in His parable about the rich man, says our "father" Abraham.

John 4:12 - the Samaritan woman asks Jesus if He is greater than our "father" Jacob.

John 7:22 - Jesus refers to the "fathers" who gave the Jews the practice of circumcision.

John 8:56 - Jesus tells the Jews your "Father" Abraham rejoiced that he was to see my day.

Acts 3:13,25; 5:30 - Peter teaches that the God of our "fathers" glorified His servant Jesus and raised Him to life.

Acts 4:25 - Peter and John pray to God and refer to our "father" David.

Acts 7:11-12, 15,19,38,44-45,51-52 - Stephen refers to our "fathers" in the faith.

Acts 7:32 - Stephen calls God the God of our "fathers."

Acts 13:17,32,36; 24:14; 26:6; 28:17,25 - Paul also refers to the God of our "fathers" in the faith.

Acts 22:3 - Paul says he was educated according to the strict law of our "fathers."

Acts 22:14 - Ananias says the God of our "fathers."

Rom. 4:1 - Paul calls Abraham our "forefather."

Rom. 4:16-17 - Paul says that Abraham is the "father" of us all and the "father" of many nations.

Rom. 9:10 - Paul calls Isaac, a spiritual leader, our "forefather."

1 Cor. 10:1 - Paul says that our "fathers" were all under the cloud, referring to the Old Testament spiritual leaders.

Gal. 1:14 - Paul says that he was zealous for the tradition of his "fathers."

2 Tim. 1:3 - Paul thanks God whom he serves with a clear conscience as did his "fathers" in faith.

Heb. 1:1 - the author says God spoke of old to our "fathers."

Heb. 3:9 - the Holy Spirit says that your "fathers" put me to the test.

Heb. 8:9 - God says not like the covenant that I made with their "fathers."

James 2:21 - James says was not our "father" Abraham justified by works when he offered his son Isaac?

1 Peter 1:18 - Peter says you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your "fathers."

2 Peter 3:4 - Peter says ever since the "fathers" fell asleep, all things have continued as they were from the beginning.

farout, I didn't know about all these other bibles... when I got mine... I just when in and asked for a bible and hey handed me the satanic bible and I have lived my whole life brainwashed by that.... omg I have to check out the other ones!!

reply to post by colbe


I don't deny the truth. I'm just saying it's pointless to post scripture. Neither one of us can read it. We would have to ask the Church what it said.

Also, If what you say is true then if you post scripture someone may interpret it wrong and be DAMNED TO HELL if they follow false doctrine by misreading it! Don't you get that? You're risking people's ETERNAL SOULS! Please stop. It's much safer to simply say, well it's true because the Church says it is. Don't risk confusing them with scripture they don't understand.

Don't you see, that if a Protestant can't interpret the Bible, then you can no longer use the Bible to prove your arguments to a Protestant? It's a pretty basic concept. HE CANNOT UNDERSTAND IT! You've thrown the entire book out the window when it comes to proving any kind of point.

Even when you say your Church is the one true Church, showing me Bible verses doesn't prove anything. Even if I agree with you, I could just be reading it wrong could I not? You can't claim that I can't read the Bible and then turn around and try to prove your argument WITH the Bible. It's a logical fallacy. I have no idea if what you're saying is correct or not.

I don't think you understand the seriousness of what you're saying. It'd be like having DNA evidence that proves who the killer is, but your DNA READER is BROKE! It gives wrong results. The DNA becomes worthless. Don't you get that? You'd be risking putting the wrong man in jail for LIFE by using that machine! Because it doesn't accurately read DNA samples. It's broke!

Someone that did that would probably go to jail for fraud if he knew the machine was broken, but you're RISKING THEIR ETERNAL SOUL! That's infinitely worse.

If you really believe that only the Church can interpret scripture, and anyone that tries to do it on their own is in danger of HELL FIRE. Then it would be safer not to post scripture at all! But then you go on to post it anyway? Knowing people could be at risk of going to Hell? That's about the MOST IMMORAL thing I've EVER seen anyone do. That would be infinity worse than murder, rape, theft, or anything I could even imagine. All that's temporary. But hell is forever!

simple answer, dont buy a bible...... buy harry potter instead, the characters are far more beleivable

reply to post by tinfoilman


Your post make no sense. Your first line, yes, you deny the Truth,
there is one Truth, Jesus Christ, 2nd person of the Blessed Trinity.
How does most of the world know this, God has revealed it to His Church. You reject the Church for your own personal opinion. You deny the Truth.

How come your silent on your faith background tinfoilman? You don't
have a Protestant community you adhere to..? All your posts, share
the origin of your protest. Fess up.

There is no way I can reply to all your comments here, your latest. It would take an hour.

Who said if you misinterpret Scripture you are damned? Only you,
not God. I'll comment on one of your paragraphs to be kind.

"Don't you see, that if a Protestant can't interpret the Bible, then you can no longer use the Bible to prove your arguments to a Protestant? It's a pretty basic concept. HE CANNOT UNDERSTAND IT! You've thrown the entire book out the window when it comes to proving any kind of point."

I nor the faith, Catholicism have to prove anything. The RCC has the full history, the miraculous, the fullness of God's revelation. It is Protestantism that objects to the true faith, to most all of God's revelation.

Since the denial of the true faith, Protestants have taken the Bible, a Catholic book and called it their only authority coming up with heresies and trying to back them up using Scripture. Their constant errors and objections are the result.

Why do you limit it to Protestants not understanding the meaning of Scripture? Let us make it personal and include everyone, you tinfoliman, no one can interpret Scripture without the help of the Church, she was given this charism by God. Read the Douay-Rheims Bible. Search Catholic apologetics, the Catechism on Scripture verses you don't understand or wish to argue about. We can know, it's been revealed for a long, long time, the correct interpretation of Scripture.


www.drbo.org...

There are no heresies in the true faith.