Why 'YOU' Should be careful with what Bible you get.

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The NKJV ( New King James Version ) which is showned above is the ancient symbol for the pagan trinity, not the Christian Trinity. Use of number symbols ( like this 666 ) can be traced back to Pythagoras ( 582 B.C ), initiate into the Egyptian mysteries. The symbol was popularized again by satanist Aleister Crowley ( circa 1900 ) for the royal Arch ( Lucifer) for the 3rd degree of the York Order of Masonry the arms and feet, while repeating the names of the ancient pagan trinity. The NKJV's symbol can be seen on satanic rock group albums like Led Zepplin, as well as on New Age bestsellers like The Aquarian Conspiracy.Remember Acts 17:29 "[W]e ought not to think that the Godhead is like (anything)... graven by art..."

NKJV Demotes Jesus Christ
Acts - NKJV ( New King James Version) - KJV ( Original King James Version )
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Luke 13:8 - Sir - Lord

Matt. 18:26 - before him saying, Master - and worshipped him, saying, Lord

Matt. 20:20 - kneeling down - worshipping him

Gen. 22:8 - God will provide for himself the lamb - God will provide himself a lamb

John 8:35 - A son - The son

Col. 2:2 - The mystery of God, both of the Father and of the Christ - The mystery of God and of the Father and of Christ ( Trinity )

Matt. 8:19 - Teacher - Master

Matt. 19:16 - Good Teacher - Good Master

Isa 66:5 - Omit - he shall appear

Matt 23:8 - One is your Teacher, the Christ - one is your Master, even Christ

Matt. 23:10 - And do not be called Teachers for One is your Teacher, the Christ - Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ
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NKJV COPIES JEHOVAH WITNESS VERSION
( Demotes Jesus Christ )
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Acts - NKJV - KJV

Acts 3:13 - His Servant Jesus - Hes Son Jesus

Acts 3:26 - His Servent Jesus - His Son Jesus

Acts 4:27 - Holy Servant Jesus - Holy Child Jesus

Acts 4:30 - Holy Servant Jesus - Holy Child Jesus

Col. 1:15 - the firstborn over all creation - the firstborn of every creature

Mark 2:15 - OMITTED - Jesus

Heb. 4:8 - Joshua - Jesus

Acts 7:45 - Joshua - Jesus

2 Thes 3:5 - Patience of Christ - Patient waiting for Christ
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( Demotes Trinity )
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Acts 17:29 - Divine Nature - Godhead

Phil. 4:20 - our God and Father - God and our Father

Rev. 1:6 His God and Father - God and his Father

Col. 3:17 - God the Father through Him - God and the Father by him

John 14:16 - Helper - Comforter

John 14:26 - Helper - Comforter

John 15:26 - Helper - Comforter

John 16:7 - Helper - Comforter
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( Works / Progressive Salvation )
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1 Cor. 11:1 - Imitate Christ - Followers of Christ

Rom. 3:3 - faithfulness - faith

Rom, 11:30,32 - disobedient... disobedience - not believed...unbelief

Rev. 19:8 - righteous acts of the saints - righteousness of saints

1 Cor. 1:18 - are being saved - are saved

2 Cor. 2:15 - are being saved - are saved

Eph. 2:8 - have been saved - are . . . saved
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NEW KING JAMES Omissions

NKJV omits the word "Lord" 66 times
NKJV omits the word "God" 51 times
NKJV omits the word "heaven" 50 times
NKJV omits the word "repent" 44 times
NKJV omits the word "blood" 23 times
NKJV omits the word "hell" 22 times
NKJV omits the word "Jehovah" entirely.
NKJV omits the word "new testament" entirely.
NKJV omits the word "damnation" entirely
NKJV omits the word "devils" entirely
NKJV ignored the KJV Textus Receptus over 1,200 times.
NKJV replaced the KJV Hebrew ( ben Chayyim ) with the corrupt stuttgart edition ( Ben Asher) Old Testament.

( I'll do another post about NKJV, I dont want to bore anyone with something that they dont want to look at )

Great post.

As most people know, I do not trust the bible, because it was written by many different people over many years.

But I do believe in Jesus.

I would like people to explore their faith without instruction.

reply to post by catwhoknowsplusone


Thankyou

Remember Acts 17:29 "[W]e ought not to think that the Godhead is like (anything)... graven by art..."

reply to post by Indenu



Would that not sum it up? A symbol only has the power that we give it. And "we ought not think"...right? (just going by...your ....(s)tatement.

Keeping that in mind it extends back to early Christianity as the father, son and holy ghost. So what if christian people adopted it from pagans? They adopted everything else the "pagans" had....christmas, easter, etc... I will not endeavor to read all your bible references but, I am left with wonder.

What version is the best, you know, the most right? This is a serious question... derision is not welcome.

reply to post by Indenu


Hi, mate,

You are more than welcome - no need to thank me.

Just go to Jesus (well, I have to do this - that is why I am here.)

reply to post by Sagittarian69


King James Bible.

reply to post by Indenu


Thank you for your response. One more question...what about all the other versions that came before KJV? Are we to disregard them?

Its a wonder you did not bring up the Jefferson bible.(Christian Deist Bible)

All bibles are flawed as they have been altered to conform to what the church wants you to believe.

NKJV copies Jehovah Witness Version? where is the New World Translation (which is the J.W translation) even mentioned in the thread. I'm trying to figure out "who's copying who" here and where the N.W.T comes in.

reply to post by Sagittarian69


Todays new international version - TNIV
New international version - NIV
New american Standard Bible - NASB
Holman Christian Standard Bible - HCSB
English Standard Verison - ESV
New Revised Standard Version - NRSV
Revised Standard Version - RSV
New King James Version - NKJV

All the ones you have to be careful of.

I think every bible is a pile of $h!t
Dont forget that gospels were written years after the death of christ and entire gospels were ommitted, who cares about a few words!! You should look into some of the gnostic texts found in Nag Hammadi in 1945.
I think the bible has defamed Mary Magdalene and created a patriacal mockery of a religion

The Companion Bible ALWAYS.

Unadulterated from the KJV 1611

It contains references/cross-references to greek/hebrew etc...

www.barnesandnoble.com...

Throw away the BS and gorge yourself on The Word translated as best as could be done in 1611.

For the King

(and the longwinded preface of the 1611 even states; now, if you can envision the lowly, scumbag,

slave translators in the 1600's writing a letter addressed to their glorious, illustrious KING!

regarding their translation created for the KING's personal use...)

Paraphrased Preface from the translators to the King: "We did the best we could translating,

however, if you really want to understand the meanings completely, you'll need to learn some

Greek & Hebrew AND have the source texts with dictionaries."

Personally, I'd suggest a Strong's Concordance. ~$20 anywhere.

I mean... If you are really serious about getting things straight. Else.... Meh. I'd like to buy a vowel, Vanna.

Originally posted by BillyTJames
I think every bible is a pile of $h!t

What you think is of little importance, if you dont say it respectfully.

Dont forget that gospels were written years after the death of christ and entire gospels were ommitted, who cares about a few words!!

A few words can mean alot.

I think the bible has defamed Mary Magdalene and created a patriacal mockery of a religion

We all have different views on things in our life however if you cant show some tolerance while you say what you think then I wont bother to listen to you in the future, You aren't the only one in this world.

reply to post by Indenu


Im sorry if that came across a bit strong, im no saint so please excuse my language. Its just I feel that the bible is too manipulated to be taken seriously and the ommision of a few words is really quite irrelevant, but that is only my opinion, hopefully you can respect that, as I respect yours.

I really think you could gain alot from looking in to the gnostic texts from Nag Hammadi if you havent already, though i may be wrong I believe they predate the four main gospels.. I just cant respect a book that has been butchered to manipulate its readers and put down woman, promote homophobia and all sorts of intolerance.. I wouldnt be worried about what volume or edition you buy, Id be more worried about how seriously you take a man written book. It is not the word of God by any stretch of the imagination

Cheers!!

I heard, I should really check, in the King James Version, a Protestant Bible,
the word priest is replaced by elder.

Hmmmm....Protestantism recognizes a ministerial priesthood to offer
sacrifice in the Old Covenant but deny Jesus established a ministerial
priesthood in the New Covenant?

Can't use Jesus is the "High Priest" in the New Covenant. Our Lord is
in Heaven as "High Priest." Who is offering the "continual sacrifice"
down here?

If you can't speak Latin, Hebrew or Greek, go with the closest to Our Lord's words translated into English. Translated from the Latin Vulgate, the FIRST Bible, read the Douay-Rheims Bible.


www.drbo.org...

p.s. great footnotes!!!

So, you are now pissed off because some of the translators are FINALLY honest and try to translate as truthful as possible?

Of course you are pissed off, because this does not fit well in your scheme of trinitarian God.

The disciples NEVER believed NOR taught that Jesus was more than a SERVANT of God - and Jesus most certainly didn't either.

If he had done that, he would have broken his own words "Hear oh Israel, the Lord, OUR God, the Lord is one."

Notice the "OUR God" part ...


Wait a few years more when more manuscripts are found and analized - then you will see many more interpolations, changes and forgeries finally disappear - the forgeries made by the authors and the copiers alike.

Which is what we told you happened, for more than 1400 years now.

Originally posted by DrMattMaddix
The Companion Bible ALWAYS.

Unadulterated from the KJV 1611

It contains references/cross-references to greek/hebrew etc...

www.barnesandnoble.com...

 

Throw away the BS and gorge yourself on The Word translated as best as could be done in 1611.

For the King

(and the longwinded preface of the 1611 even states; now, if you can envision the lowly, scumbag,

slave translators in the 1600's writing a letter addressed to their glorious, illustrious KING!

regarding their translation created for the KING's personal use...)

Paraphrased Preface from the translators to the King: "We did the best we could translating,

however, if you really want to understand the meanings completely, you'll need to learn some

Greek & Hebrew AND have the source texts with dictionaries."

Personally, I'd suggest a Strong's Concordance. ~$20 anywhere.

I mean... If you are really serious about getting things straight. Else.... Meh. I'd like to buy a vowel, Vanna.

Cough, cough....

The King James Bible has 30,000 changes to it. Scripture says don't
alter any words in Scripture.

reply to post by BillyTJames


It's alright , no harm done

Link to the Douay-Rheims www.drbo.org...

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Scripture, therefore, shows us three offices of priesthood in both the Old and New Testaments: In the OT, Aaron was the high priest, Aaron's sons were ministerial priests, and Israel acted as the universal priests. In the NT, Jesus is our High Priest, ordained bishops and priests are the ministerial priests (through the unbroken lineage of laying on of hands), and we through our baptism our the universal or royal priests (see Exodus 28:1; 19:6; and Heb. 3:1; Rom. 15:16; 1 Tim. 3:1,8; 5:17; Titus 1:7; 1 Peter 2:5,9; Rev. 1:6).

The Protestant Bibles that came out after the Douay-Rheims, including the KJV, reflect the bias of the Reformers by having modified many words that were too "Catholic." James 5:14 is such an example; they translated the word "presbuteros" as "elder" which renders the meaning ambiguous and goes against 1600 years of tradition. In reality, the KJV and other such Bible translations have no authority to the extent that they deviate from the original languages.

Just by way of background, the Douay-Rheims was translated from the Latin Vulgate which was prepared by St. Jerome in the fourth century. Jerome was commissioned by pope Damasus to translate Sacred Scripture into Latin using many of the original Greek and Hebrew manuscripts. Jerome had access to these original manuscripts and had fluency in Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic and Latin. So the Latin Vulgate is the best translation that we have, and the Douay-Rheims put the Latin Vulgate translation into English (the New Testament was issued in 1582, and the Old Testament in 1609, before the KJV came along). As an aside, King James was a political leader, not a spiritual leader. He had no authority to translate the Bible, especially a version that went against 1600 years of Christian teaching. Obama, I doubt you would buy his Bible translation if he were to make one! Also note that King James' wife converted to the Catholic faith.

reply to post by Indenu


All my memory work for decades was KJV

So it's IN THE NOGGIN.

Now I prefer the NEW LIVING TRANSLATION

and THE MESSAGE.

But I have quite a number of versions on my Kindle, including a Greek interlinear.

I think The Message captures the flavor of the original language's virtually earthy vitality, intensity, character.

God is Holy.

He is NOT prissy.