Cloud seeding, contrails, chemtrails, weather modifications, weapons, secret operations and projects

reply to post by killemall


killemall: I've read through to page 64. Have to say it's kind of riveting which makes it easy to keep on. There are a few things that become clear: this is where the money went, the nations of the world are hostage and the final aim appears to be to kill everyone.

To keep within the scope of your OP, though, I will just discuss delivery systems now which, of late, have piqued my interest.

saive.com...

However a recent research paper by David L. Mitchell and William Finnegan dated October 30th 2009 shines a new light on atmospheric seeding by aircraft, with two possible methods of delivery: *The seeding material, comprised of a pressed composite of reagent Bismuth metal, Aluminum and Gilsonite (natural Hydrocarbon) could be either dissolved or suspended in the jet fuel of commercial airliners and later burned with the fuel to create seeding aeorosol. *Alternatively the mix could be directly injected into the hot engine exhaust, which should vaporize the seeding material, allowing it to condense as aerosol in the jet contrail. In this respect it is noteworthy that the Secretary of the U.S. navy is in possession of patent 3,899,144, dated August 12th 1975, claiming invention of specific contrail generation apparatus for producing a powder contrail having maximum radiation scattering ability for a given weight material. The seeding material in this document again consists of 85% metallic particles and 15% Silica And Silica gel in order to produce a stable contrail that has a residence period of 1 up to 2 weeks as the Mitchell and Finnegan survey claims. Refer to appendix 15 for the full text of patent 3,899,144.

As discussed in the case study in paragraph 3.3.2 the KC135 and possible AWACS aircraft are already equipped with pods to enable spraying operations. The question arises if the higher gas emission ratios than those in civil aviation are not part of this type of delivery mechanism for geo-engineering.

I have to thank you again for bringing this forward - so far it seems that every question including HAARP is addressed and answered in simple English.

reply to post by luxordelphi


Luxordelphi, thanks for the reply.
You may be interested in these patents also,
United States Patent Number 4,686,605. Method and apparatus for altering a region in the earths atmosphere, ionosphere and/or magnetosphere
United States Patent Number 5,003,186. Stratosphere welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming
United States Patent Number 3,899,144. power contrail generation

Please read all of the info before making comments as we only need to hear from interested parties and not the ignorant or agent SMITHS, you know who you are member SMITHS.

I did'nt read one thing from your "link".

This is all I need to know about you and your "link"

Originally posted by killemall
reply to post by tsurfer2000h

 

Nice try,
Enjoy the air you breath and the depleted nutrients and lack of minerals in your food.

AFAIK my food is perfectly adequate thank you - go any references to show where this idea comes from? Any evidence for example??

When you get sick have a blood test and see what is in your system, why not test yourself now, see what your red and white blood count is and how deficient your cell walls are. Oh and you will need to be tested by live blood analyst done by a natural path for a real true result.

I have annual blood tests - nothing wrong with my red or white blood counts. Cholesterol is a bit high is my only serious problem.

Best of luck with proving ice crystals spead over 100's and 100's of square kilometers in our sky for hours upon hours and block the sun and the rest.

Well there was a huge sheet of high cirrus here recently & I go sunburned through it anyway (southern hemisphere - it's summer here)!! So I guess it doesn't do a great job blocking what really matters!

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

Years Ago, The Military Sprayed Germs on U.S. Cities
Jim Carlton / Wall Street Journal 22oct01

SAN FRANCISCO -- Fifty-one years ago, Edward J. Nevin checked into a San Francisco hospital, complaining of chills, fever and general malaise. Three weeks later, the 75-year-old retired pipe fitter was dead, the victim of what doctors said was an infection of the bacterium Serratia marcescens.
Decades later, Mr. Nevin's family learned what they believe was the cause of the infection, linked at the time to the hospitalizations of 10 other patients. In Senate subcommittee hearings in 1977, the U.S. Army revealed that weeks before Mr. Nevin sickened and died, the Army had staged a mock biological attack on San Francisco, secretly spraying the city with Serratia and other agents thought to be harmless.
The goal: to see what might happen in a real germ-warfare attack. The experiment, which involved blasting a bacterial fog over the entire 49-square-mile city from a Navy vessel offshore, was recorded with clinical nonchalance: "It was noted that a successful BW [biological warfare] attack on this area can be launched from the sea, and that effective dosages can be produced over relatively large areas," the Army wrote in its 1951 classified report on the experiment.
Now, with anthrax in the mail and fear mounting of further biological attacks, researchers are again looking back at the only other time this country faced the perils of germ warfare -- albeit self-inflicted. In fact, much of what the Pentagon knows about the effects of bacterial attacks on cities came from those secret tests conducted on San Francisco and other American cities from the 1940s through the 1960s, experts say.
"We learned a lot about how vulnerable we are to biological attack from those tests," says Leonard Cole, adjunct professor of political science at Rutgers University in New Jersey and author of several books on bioterrorism. "I'm sure that's one reason crop dusters were grounded after Sept. 11: The military knows how easy it is to disperse organisms that can affect people over huge areas."

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reply to post by killemall


Yp - it's pretty well known - the UK did something similar too - there's a video on YT showing part of it.

So what?

How is that relevant to a secret plot to use civil airliners to spray something today??

note that the substances sprayed back then - 40-50 years ago, were designed to be detected so the experiment could be measured.

Has anything been detected recently??

Do you think those experiments 40+ years ago are affecting the nutritional value of food now? If so why and how?

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


When were the people informed they were being sprayed with deadly poision
Don't you think if they did it then they are still doing it now but on a bigger scale and by what methods are they using today?
Are you seriously not concerned for you health and well being and the health and well being of all man kind?

reply to post by killemall


What evidence is there that ANYTHING is being "sprayed"?

If something was "being sprayed" then it would have to be in the air somewhere somehow - so where are the air samples showing "something"?

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by killemall

 

Yp - it's pretty well known - the UK did something similar too - there's a video on YT showing part of it.

So what?

How is that relevant to a secret plot to use civil airliners to spray something today??

note that the substances sprayed back then - 40-50 years ago, were designed to be detected so the experiment could be measured.

Has anything been detected recently??

Designed to be detected and thats OK with you mate?Has anything been detected recently?? read below..

Do you think those experiments 40+ years ago are affecting the nutritional value of food now? If so why and how?

edit on 2-1-2012 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)

Read this...

Scientific Evidence:

Hundreds of independent lab test results from around the world too numerous to mention here have formed a consensus.
The main ingredients in chemtrails are aluminum, barium and strontium. As you are about to see, professional scientists have corroborated these findings.
Frances Mangels has a Bachelor of Science in Forestry from the International School of Forestry at Missoula, spent 35 years with the U.S. Forest Service as a wildlife biologist and worked several years with the USDA Soil Conservation Service as a soil conservationist.
Today he lives in Mt. Shasta, CA and works as a master gardener. He took a sample of water from his backyard rain gauge on Feb. 1, 2009 and submitted it to Basic Laboratory of Redding, CA on Feb. 2, 2009. This sample showed aluminum at a level of 1010 micrograms per liter (ug/l).
This same sample also showed barium at a level of 8 ug/l. Using the same sample method and laboratory, he took a sample on Oct. 14, 2009 which showed aluminum at a level of 611 ug/l. The barium should not be there in any amount. Chemtrails have been known to consist of both barium carbonate and barium oxide. Barium carbonate is used in rat poison. The normal level of aluminum in rainwater is .5 ug/l.
These samples show levels of aluminum at 2020 times and 1222 times the normal levels. There is no heavy industry in the Mt. Shasta area. There is no reason, other than chemtrails, for this stuff to be showing up at these levels.
Mr. Mangles writes on Oct. 30, 2009:
“The soil scientists from the USDA Soil Conservation Department visited private property east of Shasta Lake, California, on Oct. 27, 2009. Mr. Bailey, Komar, and Owens tested the pH with standard federal meters. All agreed the pH should be 5.5.
Under Douglas fir, the ph was 7.4, astoundingly basic for that habitat.
Under Poderosa pine, at the precise soil-needle interface, I would expect a pH of 5. At that point, Bailey’s meter showed 6.5. This is high for a microhabitat that should be very acid. Old soil surveys indicate this soil should be very acid, around pH of 5.5.

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Originally posted by killemall

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by killemall

 

Has anything been detected recently??

Designed to be detected and thats OK with you mate?Has anything been detected recently?? read below..

Do you think those experiments 40+ years ago are affecting the nutritional value of food now? If so why and how?[

Read this...

Scientific Evidence:

Hundreds of independent lab test results from around the world too numerous to mention here have formed a consensus.

I haven't seen on yet that actually stands up to examinatoin.

Every one that I've seen looked at has been one of 3 errors:

1/ Measuring soil/sludge, getting a reasonable reading for that, and saying that the reading is for water, and that the reading exceeds the limits for water - which it does, but since it wasn't testing water the conclusion is false.

2/ Getting perfectly normal readings and saying they are high through sheer ignorance of what the normal amounts are.

3/ Silly mistakes reading measurements.

The main ingredients in chemtrails are aluminum, barium and strontium. As you are about to see, professional scientists have corroborated these findings.
Frances Mangels has a Bachelor of Science in Forestry from the International School of Forestry at Missoula, spent 35 years with the U.S. Forest Service as a wildlife biologist and worked several years with the USDA Soil Conservation Service as a soil conservationist.

And yet he still manages to make so many errors of fact that are fairly egregious and easy to spot when somoene actually bothers to examine his claims.

He is also shoddy in his sources of evidence....and apparently there's little or no aluminium in Mt Shasta water after all!!

You made a number of quite specific claims in your post that I hadn't seen before - can you provide some links to them please?

New evidence has arrived proving contrails are just a hoax and chemtrails really have been around from the beginning of fuel powered flight.
I put it to anyone to prove a contrail from a plane ever really did exist and is not a chemical trail.
Hoax contrails are created and consist of hot exhaust fuel vapours mixed with cool air.
So there we have the evidence finally to put these silly contrail myths away for good and refer to the correct term chemical trail, contrails debunked

reply to post by killemall


Wow ok. Is this to make your "theory" look even more unrealistic and emotional/reactive.

reply to post by Chamberf=6


Pure black and white facts, nothing but the truth.
Can you prove other wise?

Originally posted by killemall
New evidence has arrived proving contrails are just a hoax and chemtrails really have been around from the beginning of fuel powered flight.
I put it to anyone to prove a contrail from a plane ever really did exist and is not a chemical trail.
Hoax contrails are created and consist of hot exhaust fuel vapours mixed with cool air.
So there we have the evidence finally to put these silly contrail myths away for good and refer to the correct term chemical trail, contrails debunked

And what facts would those be?

Shall I repost Michael Murphy, creator of "What in the World are they Spraying?" admitting that:

1/ contrails exist
2/ persistent contrails exist
3/ he can't actually tell what is a contrail and what is a chemtrail without chemical testing??

Or did you see enough of him doing so already??

Probably not - so here he is again....

Originally posted by killemall
reply to post by Chamberf=6

 

Pure black and white facts, nothing but the truth.

That they sprayed stuff 40-60 years ago? well done on getting that right.

Shame about everything else!

Can you prove other wise?

There's a reason "you can't prove otherwise" is known as Argument from ignorance

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

That they sprayed stuff 40-60 years ago? well done on getting that right.
There's a reason "you can't prove otherwise" is known as Argument from ignorance

And what was it they sprayed 40-60 years ago again please for everyone to see?
What are you saying about argument from ignorance, If thats not calling the kettle black.

reply to post by killemall


They sprayed stuff that would be blatantly obvious if they were spraying it today, and which isn't ever found by people looking for chemtrail evidence - ergo they are not spraying it now.

Thanks for another opportunity to point out the lack of evidence for chemtrails

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


more sauce please, less conjecture, makes for a bad sandwich, or should I say one that suits you better than anyone else. how about you cook up something we all could enjoy??

-TF

This is really blowing my mind. educate-yourself.org...
Anyone care to comment on any of the topics in the link above. It's way over my chemical leaden barium doused aluminum encased head.
But, please, no input from Mr. Smith et al it just muddies up the page....and I won't even read them. Thanks!!