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Originally posted by bknapple32
So we're clear, foster and gariac are dis info agents? Im one too? Or just one of us? Based on our actions..

I don't know for sure. That is the suspicion of some members. I am suspicious but can't be sure.

I am baffled if you can't see how evasive and misdirecting they have been but you could well not be. They might not either, but the behaviour pattern is mighty coincidental with what you would expect, although not so much in your case.

AFOSI

FUNCTION

We are a federal law enforcement and investigative agency operating throughout the full spectrum of conflict, seamlessly within any domain; conducting criminal investigations and providing counterintelligence services.

MISSION

To Identify, exploit and neutralize criminal, terrorist and intelligence threats to the Air Force, Department of Defense and U.S. Government.

AFOSI Website

NOTE TO MEMBERS

It is obvious that one of the perceived "intelligence threats to the Air Force, Department of Defense and U.S. Government" would be the compromise of classified information about Groome Lake/A51 or nearby operational secret tests.

We know there are secret tests at the base. It would be dereliction of duty if the CIA, FBI or AFOSI did not to have counter-intelligence missions in operation regarding groom Lake and surrounds.

Logic dictates that if there were classified non-conventional tests then AFOSI special agents would be showing an interest in this material. Their agenda is to suppress any discussion whatever of classified tests of non-conventional craft whether in the past or present. The only discussion they would encourage is of conventional craft OR OUTRIGHT DENIAL which is exactly what we have here.

I would suggest that, to work out who any agents involved are, members look at who are the main players (at least one is not on this thread) regarding efforts to discover what goes on at the base in recent years. Who else could it be if there are active Special Agents?

I rest my case

Haha, I invite any moderators or staff here on ATS to conduct any investigation into myself. I promise you they wont find out anything other than I am an A51 researcher who has camped out at groom lake numerous times.

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In response to what Pimander's post(s)...

Umm yeah, what he said.


In short, the devious and dishonest posts and refusal to debate are exactly what I was referring to.

Anyone who pretends not to have noticed these actions is also suspect in my book.


Was the motivation for such actions merely wounded pride from not being seen as the know-it-all of Area 51 and loss of 'fanbois'?

That suspicion went out the window when the actions became so ridiculous it was obvious they didn't care even if their 'fanbois' saw how unbelievable and dense and evasive the responses were.

So then if wounded pride is not the motivation, what IS the motivation for such single- minded determination to avoid the issues at all costs, while constantly spreading disinformation nonstop.

Now moving on I see the burning question of the pieces of 115 has been partially answered...

and it took a debunker a week of searching to only partially answer it.

I REALLY hope this was a case of members in the know holding back because they didn't want to spoil the exposition of ignorants, especially the ones claiming to be know-it-all's.

I hereby release you from your oath of secrecy and if ANYONE (cept you Pim!) knows the answers to the last 2 questions now is the time to speak up.



I will note for clarity that the friend who provided them did not know what they were.

Hello Fellow ATS members,

I am new to ATS...

I joined to look for some further information on Bob Lazar...as much as I am a Johnny come very lately.

I have known about the story for a few years and tried to learn more about the possibilities behind it.
I found it a fascinating story be it true or fake...when will a film be made about it !

Ive been up and down on my views about it..but as time goes on even some of well known people in the field
who have offered their points of view including those who are skeptical do not always offer worthwhile
points of view that I would fully accept or agree with.

As I have got older, I hope I am a bit wiser.. but sometimes I question if we are stuck within limited boundaries..
Maybe those with lower abilities could not comprehend certain things and trying to comprehend something along these lines seems a huge task for most I would think.

Ref to hoping that I am now wiser... I believe that I do now have to question so much..and do not know what or who to believe at times. I do believe that there is huge disinformation and misleading that goes on, especially about such topics...This can be huge from the people at the top, be it Gov related CIA/ Military etc.
They are no doubt severe experts at it...Not only does one need to be relatively well educated, one also needs to be quite clever to try and decipher what may or may not be true..

Id say I am very slow to many and only in the last few years learned this from certain people who try and expose such things.... I suppose without the internet most of us would be in the Dark... It must be a major threat to those at the top who are or have been misleading.Ive looked elsewhere for certain info on Bob Lazar and either found its a topic not wanting to be discussed or much of it now seems to be dismissed as a hoax...

What I am trying to find is if there are any highly educated or professional points of view on it from the science and engineering backgrounds. and to try and find any views that may still offer possible truths behind it.

Ive been trying to search through the 8500 posts that are suggested...and hoping to find a list of threads
that discuss the Bob Lazar story, so far this seems one of the latest and biggest that I have found.

I wonder if any of the longer term members could suggest any other threads that they believe worth checking out
for more positive views on Bob Lazar's story..

I just started to try and get some idea on this thread and I cannot believe how many posts have been made by certain members...and I was not able to carry on, it was too much to handle in one visit.

There do appear some posters on it that do still do not fully dismiss his story.

I have recently been looking at Ed Fouches Alienscientist website and he dismisses Bob Lazars story..
BUT he still refers to S4 and Paposse lake as an area where his Flying triangles were held..
It surprises me if he has dismissed some of B.Ls story, that he still keeps alive S4 and Papoose Lake.

He also suggest more secret base further south of Papoose... many levels underground..
Seeing that EG&G had created many underground tunnels etc around this area. He suggest these are highly camouflaged and that is almost impossible to find the entrances even at close view. and satellites passing over would not see anything.

I don't see why such a base may not be possible. Just wondered what the thoughts were on Ed Fouche..
Hes another one that I see being disbelieved, but he certainly makes an effort to show his background credentials.... As I understand it..he claimed that he was in hiding for the last 10 yrs after threats to his life for exposing the craft...

I have heard many stories of the flying triangle being witnessed..so I suspect there is likely some truths to his story.

Originally posted by bknapple32 I am an A51 researcher who has camped out at groom lake numerous times.

Can you please point out to me on google Earth where on Groom lake you camped? I found it a little difficult getting anywhere close

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by bknapple32 I am an A51 researcher who has camped out at groom lake numerous times.

Can you please point out to me on google Earth where on Groom lake you camped? I found it a little difficult getting anywhere close

Campfire hill ftw!!!!!!

Originally posted by bknapple32
So we're clear, foster and gariac are dis info agents? Im one too? Or just one of us?

You are? Three Musketeers? All for one and one for all?



More Johnny-come-latelies But man look at these old ladies go!!! No Fear!!!



Found this weird website too... only a picture of the sign at night and nothing but Bob bashing Odd that

www.topsecretbases.com...

Originally posted by zorgon
Originally posted by bknapple32]
So we're clear, foster and gariac are dis info agents? Im one too? Or just one of us?

You are?

Three Musketeers? All for one and one for all?

Do they hire us Canadians as disinfo agents? if so, the bastards owe me a whole lotta back pay.

More Johnny-come-latelies But man look at these old ladies go!!! No Fear!!!

I could throttle the guys that took the "grannies crossing the line" video for not hanging around to find out what the outcome was. Did the sheriff get called, as per usual, to make an arrest? Or did the camo dudes do what I would consider the right thing, and sternly escort them back across the line after having a nice little chat with them.

Found this weird website too... only a picture of the sign at night and nothing but Bob bashing

Odd that
www.topsecretbases.com...

Bashing? I dunno, looks more like a collection of facts rather than "bashing" per se.
And someone seems to have added a lot more content to the site.

Originally posted by FosterVS
Do they hire us Canadians as disinfo agents? if so, the bastards owe me a whole lotta back pay.

Thanks for the admission that you are a disinfo agent

But no they don't Canadians are expected to do it for free.. seems I recall reading that in some agreement somewhere. Canada should just join up... then we can stop playing games with that silly border

Originally posted by zorgon
Canada should just join up... then we can stop playing games with that silly border

We probably should. I am kinda having fun watching our Loonie beat the US$ ass though.
It wasn't so long ago our dollar was worth about 64 cents US. At this moment, it's at $1.01.

Time for another Area 51 trip... gas is kinda high priced though. Not like it is here - we are sitting on substantial reserves. yet are paying about $4.21USD gallon.

Originally posted by FosterVS
At this moment, it's at $1.01.

yeah it's great Glad I waited to transfer some family funds down here

Time for another Area 51 trip... gas is kinda high priced though. Not like it is here - we are sitting on substantial reserves. yet are paying about $4.21USD gallon.

$3.76 Vegas average... I have $3.43 around the corner... but that is just Bush Oil Co fixing prices. And no one will boycott gasoline. I suggested everyone boycott Exxon, because they rubbed our noses into it by declaring record EVER quarter profits because they jacked up prices the first year of the Iraqi "war"

But don't waste time at A51... they moved all the good stuff to Tooele Utah many years ago... seems A51 was getting to many tourists Even Boyd Bushman says that is where it was moved to

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How can anyone take comments seriously that Groom Lake was moved to anywhere when there is documentable proof that Groom Lake is expanding, and at the same time NOBODY has delivered a sliver of proof that former Groom Lake projects are at Dugway, Tooele, East BumF***, etc. When will this BS stop?

You have evidence of projects from Groom moved to Tooele? Let's see that evidence. If you have none, feel free to retract the statement.

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While we are at it, since Area 51 has moved, please removed all the photos you stole from my website. Since Area 51 has moved, you obviously don't need to use my copyrighted material.



www.thelivingmoon.com..." target='_blank' class='tabOff'/>




Note that Fair Use is a legal defense, not a right.

Originally posted by gariac
How can anyone take comments seriously that Groom Lake was moved to anywhere when there is documentable proof that Groom Lake is expanding, and at the same time NOBODY has delivered a sliver of proof that former Groom Lake projects are at Dugway, Tooele, East BumF***, etc. When will this BS stop?

Didn't say Groom lake was moved... said the UFO stuff was moved and it was in an interview given by Boyd Bushman of Lockheed Martin... I suppose you can call him crazy too

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Received email today from Gary at the LazyGRanch

From: [email protected]
Subject: Copyright Violations
Date: Nov 8, 2011 12:55am

Please remove all images stolen from www.lazygranch.com from www.thelivingmoon.com. Further, please instruct your forum users to stop uploading my images to image hosting companies. Go ahead and hotlink me. Better than having my stuff plastered all over the net, including that imagesbox.com website that is full of porn.

Gary Sellani

I had a few images on one of the sites webpages on Area 51 but they were linked and credited to LazyGRanch. I have removed them to comply with this request. But most of the material from LazyGRanch was simply linked directly to your site,

Linked as below



I am not aware of anything related to any porn, nor do I use any image service other than my own server, there are no advertisements of any kind on my website. I see the ones you just pointed out were in an old archive page I missed before. Removed I will double check tomorrow in case I missed one.

From: [email protected]
Date: 11/8/2011 1:24 PM

These days I have no trouble with hotlinks since I have no bandwidth charges, but I found a pile of my images on imagesbox.com that linked back to thelivingmoon.com. I got imagesbox.com to delete anything they had from my website. I think your forum users are doing the image transfer.

Forums tend to be the problem. Dreamlandresort.com has links to my website blocked, so those forum users are constantly uploading my images to photo sharing websites. This makes a lot of work for me. Anyway, a notice on whatever forums you run about not uploading my images would be helpful.

Originally posted by gariac
reply to post by zorgon

 

How can anyone take comments seriously that Groom Lake was moved to anywhere when there is documentable proof that Groom Lake is expanding, and at the same time NOBODY has delivered a sliver of proof that former Groom Lake projects are at Dugway, Tooele, East BumF***, etc. When will this BS stop?

You have evidence of projects from Groom moved to Tooele? Let's see that evidence. If you have none, feel free to retract the statement.

When will you learn what covert/secret/classified actually means? When will the BS stop? AFOSI will be pleased.

A classic deception technique is to ask for documentary evidence that is classified and not available.

As usual, the outright lie about what the person debating with you said has been thrown in. Zorgon did NOT CLAIM that A51 had moved. Shall we observe some rules of debate or just deceive here? We don't make false claims about the other persons statements to deflect debate on ATS without losing face. OK members?

If your copyrighted material is not used for commercial reasons, it is most unusual to be so concerned about where it appears.

For the record, apart from any writing for which I may receive a fee and has not been posted on the web, any website is free to use material I release providing they do not doctor it and credit me appropriately. That's what the internet is for and what the Pegasus/Living Moon site try to do with any copyrighted material posted.

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Have you tried using common sense? It helps sometimes. Due to the spot becoming very hot for tourists liek yourself, the place is exanding but hardly anyone would bother to put their mosr secret things there when there are cameras of fanboys all over the place. But of course, for you airplanes and stealth is enough to watch.

Originally posted by Imtor
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Have you tried using common sense? It helps sometimes. Due to the spot becoming very hot for tourists liek yourself, the place is exanding but hardly anyone would bother to put their mosr secret things there when there are cameras of fanboys all over the place. But of course, for you airplanes and stealth is enough to watch.

I am not convinced that S-4 at papapose dry lake bed or even the entire area 51 site has become devoid of ufo/alien activity. In fact area 51 has been growing rather than shrinking which means small tranfers within area 51 are likely.

But still they could probably cloak anything they wanted to, not from the russians but from humanity in general. You know like cloaked battlecruisers dropping from the heavens in orb like shapes, almost like falling stars(meteorities). Far fetched yes, but not more than star trek or battlestar gallactica.

The philadelphia experiment which is officially denied proved secret society controls government just like the alchemists of the middle ages. The bankers finance these projects and that is why america has a $15 trillion defecit that keeps growing and growing. Special clearance, need-to-know and compartmentalisation make sure research is controlled.